Victorian I wagon now available

^ This is now available on my site --Victorian Railfan Web Site:
http://www.railpage.org.au/vr/Australian Bulldogs for MSTS! B, S, GM's now available!

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Looks good. However there is something about the model that I can't put my finger on. Ahhhh, that's it, it is TOO GOOD!!! Projects
- 421 class Public Transport Commission of New South Wales diesel electircs:
No. 1 end - 10% (Nose is starting to take shape, and with any luck screenshots should be released within a few days)
Sides - 45% (frame work is up, about 2/3 of panels on)
Overall - 19.8%
- 422 class New South Wales Government Railways diesel electircs:
On the drawing boards for a project after the 421's.
Overall - Not officialAs I sit here chewing on my MSTS CD, I wonder why did God make MS?

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You think I would be tired of doing this by now I've been modifying the I wagon into an IT scantling timber wagon. These were converted from I wagons in the 1960's for use down on the Orbost line in east Gippsland.--Victorian Railfan Web Site:
http://www.railpage.org.au/vr/Australian Bulldogs for MSTS! B, S, GM's now available!

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He just never stops!Bravo James, now something to go with your range of bulldogs, pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. Projects
- 421 class Public Transport Commission of New South Wales diesel electircs:
No. 1 end - 10% (Nose is starting to take shape, and with any luck screenshots should be released within a few days)
Sides - 45% (frame work is up, about 2/3 of panels on)
Overall - 19.8%
- 422 class New South Wales Government Railways diesel electircs:
On the drawing boards for a project after the 421's.
Overall - Not officialAs I sit here chewing on my MSTS CD, I wonder why did God make MS?

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The Victorian bulldogs were general purpose locos and could often be found on freight trains. --Victorian Railfan Web Site:
http://www.railpage.org.au/vr/Australian Bulldogs for MSTS! B, S, GM's now available!

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:P Yeah but they looked even better at the head of a rake of stainless steel cars our bulldogs (NSW) looked good at either a rake of wood or steel passenger cars, shame we only ever get 16 true bulldogs, 6 43's (which were a type of bulldog) and 100 44's (which were a "type" of bulldog). Alas most of our true bulldogs are still alive, albeit not kicking. Projects
- 421 class Public Transport Commission of New South Wales diesel electircs:
No. 1 end - 10% (Nose is starting to take shape, and with any luck screenshots should be released within a few days)
Sides - 45% (frame work is up, about 2/3 of panels on)
Overall - 19.8%
- 422 class New South Wales Government Railways diesel electircs:
On the drawing boards for a project after the 421's.
Overall - Not officialAs I sit here chewing on my MSTS CD, I wonder why did God make MS?

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James have you by any chance re-programmed TSM to support the quality and production line you have going because at this stage I would have surely lost all patience with it.I have collected all the loco's you've produced but my version of tsm just says to me... "don't think you're going to produce anything like that while I have something to do with it"!

Craig Scott
Chief Casino Express Design Engineer
cscott02@optushome.com.au

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LOL!
I know the feeling, albeit with gmax, whenever it doesn't want to export, I think to myself "godamnit why wont you support such good quality stuff?" (BTW that was cleaned up a lot too).Projects
- 421 class Public Transport Commission of New South Wales diesel electircs:
No. 1 end - 10% (Nose is starting to take shape, and with any luck screenshots should be released within a few days)
Sides - 45% (frame work is up, about 2/3 of panels on)
Overall - 19.8%
- 422 class New South Wales Government Railways diesel electircs:
On the drawing boards for a project after the 421's.
Overall - Not officialAs I sit here chewing on my MSTS CD, I wonder why did God make MS?

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LAST EDITED ON Feb-21-03 AT 10:04 AM (EDT)

>James have you by any chance re-programmed TSM to support
>the quality and production line you have going because at
>this stage I would have surely lost all patience with it.
>ROFLOL, I may have a computer science degree, but that doesn't mean I've been re-programming TSM. Really, I don't know what it is, but I haven't had many problems with it. Maybe it's just the way I make the models :-S--Victorian Railfan Web Site:
http://www.railpage.org.au/vr/Australian Bulldogs for MSTS! B, S, GM's now available!

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LMAO!
Well why the hell can you make great models in TSM, but Craig there can't make really great models in 3dmax or TSM (the 82 is as good or slightly better than your bulldogs - even if it is a box)?Projects
- 421 class Public Transport Commission of New South Wales diesel electircs:
No. 1 end - 10% (Nose is starting to take shape, and with any luck screenshots should be released within a few days)
Sides - 45% (frame work is up, about 2/3 of panels on)
Overall - 19.8%
- 422 class New South Wales Government Railways diesel electircs:
On the drawing boards for a project after the 421's.
Overall - Not officialAs I sit here chewing on my MSTS CD, I wonder why did God make MS?

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I thought I would trick TSM and see just what the problem with my 82 class was. I deleted all parts and made a simple cube 18x18x18 sections, about 3888 polygons and it would not convert however, with a lesser amout, around 2800 it would work. This proves somehow my version of TSM is screwed and all the work I've put into the 82 may not have been wasted. I will reinstall and see what happens, if not, it's bon voyage to TSM.Very strange though!
Craig Scott
Chief Casino Express Design Engineer
cscott02@optushome.com.au

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So we will get your 82 afterall will we? *foams at mouth* hehe!
Would love your 3dmax one though - looked so so so detailed! Shame it wouldn't work. Projects
- 421 class Public Transport Commission of New South Wales diesel electircs:
No. 1 end - 10% (Nose is starting to take shape, and with any luck screenshots should be released within a few days)
Sides - 45% (frame work is up, about 2/3 of panels on)
Overall - 19.8%
- 422 class New South Wales Government Railways diesel electircs:
On the drawing boards for a project after the 421's.
Overall - Not officialAs I sit here chewing on my MSTS CD, I wonder why did God make MS?

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for me, it seems gmax's usual reaction is :you want me to do what? ok, but I'm leaving bits out and I'm not telling you which ones. No, you really don't need that wheel...or that side of your cab. Or that part of your boiler. Trust me, YOu'll never miss them.

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LOL!
Maybe us modellers need to get together and make out own modelling programme. Projects
- 421 class Public Transport Commission of New South Wales diesel electircs:
No. 1 end - 10% (Nose is starting to take shape, and with any luck screenshots should be released within a few days)
Sides - 45% (frame work is up, about 2/3 of panels on)
Overall - 19.8%
- 422 class New South Wales Government Railways diesel electircs:
On the drawing boards for a project after the 421's.
Overall - Not officialAs I sit here chewing on my MSTS CD, I wonder why did God make MS?

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LAST EDITED ON Feb-22-03 AT 06:51 PM (EDT)

>you want me to do
>what? ok, but I'm leaving bits out and I'm not telling you
>which ones. No, you really don't need that wheel...or that
>side of your cab. Or that part of your boiler. Trust me,
>YOu'll never miss them. ROFLMFAO. They're out to get us, it's a conspiracy!After reinstalling TSM and updating it, the 82 still would not work, and for that matter, any loco I've already built and previously converted will no longer work either so unless I can rebuild one in gmax or 3d max, I'll retire from model building....unfortunately.
Craig Scott
Chief Casino Express Design Engineer
cscott02@optushome.com.au

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I don't get why ur 82 doesn't work. :-S It will be a pity if you give up --Victorian Railfan Web Site:
http://www.railpage.org.au/vr/Australian Bulldogs for MSTS! B, S, GM's now available!

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Do you think if Craig shipped the 82 over to you, you could get it to work? I don't want a great model going to waste. Projects
- 421 class Public Transport Commission of New South Wales diesel electircs:
No. 1 end - 10% (Nose is starting to take shape, and with any luck screenshots should be released within a few days)
Sides - 45% (frame work is up, about 2/3 of panels on)
Overall - 19.8%
- 422 class New South Wales Government Railways diesel electircs:
On the drawing boards for a project after the 421's.
Overall - Not officialAs I sit here chewing on my MSTS CD, I wonder why did God make MS?

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James has already tried the TSM version 82 but got the same problem, and I thought it was my installation of TSM. It still is actually, I can no longer convert my existing models.I'm rebuilding the 82 in 3dmax but will be using gmax to convert it to .s as conv3ds also will not cooperate. So far the conversion of the new model is successful. Time will tell upon it's completion.
Craig Scott
Chief Casino Express Design Engineer
cscott02@optushome.com.au

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YAY! Good luck this time Craig!PS: Congrats on your 600th James when you get there which chances are will be in this thread.Projects
- 421 class Public Transport Commission of New South Wales diesel electircs:
No. 1 end - 10% (Nose is starting to take shape, and with any luck screenshots should be released within a few days)
Sides - 45% (frame work is up, about 2/3 of panels on)
Overall - 19.8%
- 422 class New South Wales Government Railways diesel electircs:
On the drawing boards for a project after the 421's.
Overall - Not officialAs I sit here chewing on my MSTS CD, I wonder why did God make MS?

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Ok, here's my 600th post! Happy? --Victorian Railfan Web Site:
http://www.railpage.org.au/vr/Australian Bulldogs for MSTS! B, S, GM's now available!

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LAST EDITED ON Feb-23-03 AT 11:19 AM (EDT)

Now for my 601st post, a screenshot of my IC wagon I also plan to do DW229, which is a water tank placed inside an I wagon with no doors. I'll then do a HD, which is an I wagon converted into a van for departmental purposes by extending the sides and adding a roof.--Victorian Railfan Web Site:
http://www.railpage.org.au/vr/Australian Bulldogs for MSTS! B, S, GM's now available!

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How do you make such great models in such a short time? Looks great. Only one thing, looks to me like a grab handle or tarp tie-down ring.Projects
- 421 class Public Transport Commission of New South Wales diesel electircs:
No. 1 end - 10% (Nose is starting to take shape, and with any luck screenshots should be released within a few days)
Sides - 45% (frame work is up, about 2/3 of panels on)
Overall - 19.8%
- 422 class New South Wales Government Railways diesel electircs:
On the drawing boards for a project after the 421's.
Overall - Not officialAs I sit here chewing on my MSTS CD, I wonder why did God make MS?

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That's a clip with a rather soaked and rotten card or envelope on it. IIRC, it contained the wagon's destination.As for the other question, once I have the base wagon (in this case the I wagon), it's fairly easy to convert it into the other ones with the same basic design --Victorian Railfan Web Site:
http://www.railpage.org.au/vr/Australian Bulldogs for MSTS! B, S, GM's now available!

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CHEATER!!! Guess you weren't going to make the bulldog nose over and over again though. Speaking of bulldog noses, my 421 is starting to look like a bulldog, got approx. 1/5 of the nose itself on. Strange thing is, from dead front on it looks about as wide as a tank, meanwhile the number two end looks as wide as a 421! :S Must have something to do with how much nose I have on.Projects
- 421 class Public Transport Commission of New South Wales diesel electircs:
No. 1 end - 10% (Nose is starting to take shape, and with any luck screenshots should be released within a few days)
Sides - 45% (frame work is up, about 2/3 of panels on)
Overall - 19.8%
- 422 class New South Wales Government Railways diesel electircs:
On the drawing boards for a project after the 421's.
Overall - Not officialAs I sit here chewing on my MSTS CD, I wonder why did God make MS?

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Oh you should see what It did to me now. Tried exporting my camelback and the wheels went every which way, but the correct one. It was as if gmax said.hmm, I'm tired of operating realistically. Ooooo. new value, wonder what this button does? (press) BOOOM! hmm. wonder if he'll notice the changes?

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I've noticed if you change (centre) the pivot point of a part in gmax or 3d max, then export it as a 3ds file and import into TSM, it will show the parts all over the place, like an exploded drawing. Perhaps MSTS does the same thing.Gmax now crashes when I try to convert the locomotive, but do you think it's going to tell me why? OH NO, that would be too easy. Maybe it's because I havn't pulled enough hair out yet and my mouse hasn't clocked up enough frequent flyer points.
Craig Scott
Chief Casino Express Design Engineer
cscott02@optushome.com.au

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>Gmax now crashes when I try to convert the locomotive, but
>do you think it's going to tell me why? OH NO, that would
>be too easy. Maybe it's because I havn't pulled enough hair
>out yet and my mouse hasn't clocked up enough frequent flyer
>points.
ROFL!!!
Magic, you need to get your pivot points for the wheels set up right, then they'll spin effortlessly (hope I spelt that right) down the track in the right direction. Projects
- 421 class Public Transport Commission of New South Wales diesel electircs:
No. 1 end - 10% (Nose is starting to take shape, and with any luck screenshots should be released within a few days)
Sides - 45% (frame work is up, about 2/3 of panels on)
Overall - 19.8%
- 422 class New South Wales Government Railways diesel electircs:
On the drawing boards for a project after the 421's.
Overall - Not officialAs I sit here chewing on my MSTS CD, I wonder why did God make MS?

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