Army Train

SAW CP QARM-27Westbound army train for Alberta this evening, I will upload pictures on my site later http://groups.msn.com/lakesuperiorCP 9117 and CP B UNIT SD40 and lots of DDOX, BNSF, ATSF, TTX, flats with British Army stuff and two cabooses on end (someone inside)I would like everyone to know, I am posting this information just for people to see as it is not something you would see on CP every day (BNSF DDOX flats) rare in Canada!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Chris Chris WilsonMP 63 CP's Heron Bay Sub

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It is advisable NOT to post that you saw such "main" train as they were called in WWII, much less even post photos of them. The US Government (the DODX cars - Department of Defense) frowns upon such info.

Bradley Linda
Waco, Texas

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Americans are so scared of their government it is sad. I dont think it is to much of a secret if you can see it on the train lineup and watch it travel by. They were probably going to suffield or somewhere to do a exercise for the week or something.rob20

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Yep, Wainright, Alberta, Canada is their location. And pictures are up now!And Rob20, yeah good point! If they train oes right through this small town with a railfan, and he flashes pictures...big deal (fly them over then)And, i am on public property.... I mean, if you do hijack this train, are you really going to get far with a tank??? Think about it?They probaby would send a plane after you and shoot you down faster then you can get on top of the railcar So ya, ChrisChris WilsonMP 63 CP's Heron Bay Sub

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Chris, the problem is that the bad guys now know where those troops are located, and where they AREN'T located. Imagine being able to track troop movements by watching railfan sites.Yes, you have the right to photograph and publish those photos. Do really want to help the bad guys do their job?I'm sure they're good photos. Couldn't you just hold them for a couple of weeks, please?

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Or at least not be so specific about when you actually shot the picture... Chuck Schneider
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does it really matter? i doubt terrorist superiors would allow their followers to look at our "infidel" (and i use that term loosely) sites O.oMy new e-mail is Arcanine241@yahoo.com
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If it were THAT big a deal don't you think they'd travel under cover of darkness or that there'd be air cover to radio ground units to pick up and question anyone they spotted?Sweet jesus I wish people would get a grip.

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There may very well be....
Or not...
No telling how much "co-operation" the Canadian DND is allowed to give the UK troops given the current position of the Government in Ottawa??????FWIW a C-5 or C-17 can only carry a small fraction of the payload of a train and at a significantly higher cost.BTW, We have a grip! you do not!
This is not an appropriate topic to post at this time...Take your pictures and your notes...
Post and discuss the $hit out of them "The day after the surrender"!
Chuck Schneider
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i would thing that if they were that big a deal that they would also be armed or escortedMy new e-mail is Arcanine241@yahoo.com
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It really doesn't matter whether or not they are a big deal!
Brian and Nels have requested we not do this (discuss military movements) on here...Chuck Schneider
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Every single spring, and I mean every single spring this happens. It is general public knowledge that the British conduct training every summer in Canada. If "the bad guys" wanted to find out about it, going to a railfan site would be too much effort, there are easier ways to find out.Stop being so paranoid, these movements have nothing to do with the war, and they have being going on like this for years now. Anyone who cares would already know before a railfan posted pictures. - Andrew

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This is true...word up Andrew!

I wanna highball it through Woodstock, Ont. on none other than...THE TURBOTRAIN!!!

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normally, in the US when they move stuff around and dont want anyone to know, they move the trains at night.

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or they'd put in a C-5

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Exactly.

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>Every single spring, and I mean every single spring this
>happens. It is general public knowledge that the British
>conduct training every summer in Canada. If "the bad guys"
>wanted to find out about it, going to a rail-fan site would
>be too much effort, there are easier ways to find out.
>
>Stop being so paranoid, these movements have nothing to do
>with the war, and they have being going on like this for
>years now. Anyone who cares would already know before a
>rail-fan posted pictures. Andrew my son, I beg to differ with you on this.... {Whisper aside: You realize your post and several others here comes close to violating our agreement don't you? So I will respond 1 time only.}
I understand that you personally may not approve of this war, but even if they are British Troops or other Commonwealth Troops who are engaging in a war, under orders of their duly chosen legal governments they are deserving of our support and protection Eh?
The alternative is the moral equivalent of traveling to Baghdad and volunteering for duty with the Fedayeen Saddam IMO!
Now having gored your ox let me explain myself....The terrorists or any terrorists or other irregular forces for that matter don't care whether or not they are "Main Combatants" or merely on an exercise. Speaking for myself as a retired officer with some experience being on the receiving end of this "stuff", if I was the "enemy commander" I would think troops on a training exercise were the perfect target. No bullets only exercise ammunition or mostly exercise ammunition, lower state of readiness because they are far from the conflict, in a neutral country, (That that country as a matter of policy is opposed to the war is a lesser known fact) On a fixed schedule and down a fixed predictable path! Yum! Yum! Eat them up.... Almost as sporting as shooting fish in a barrel, with a hand grenade! Of course everyone knows that the UK and Commonwealth forces conduct training in that area and about that time. And you are correct any idiot can find that out. Especially if he talks to a Canadian such as yourself who doesn't understand the need for operational security. What he doesn't know is Where and When those targets are moving thru the area. The Train Symbols would be useful in that he could listen on a scanner and attack only that specific train and not waste his efforts on Potatoes or Wheat or Soybeans or Garbage! Or pacifists on their way to Montreal to demonstrate? <VBSEG>It costs us nothing to refrain from posting this kind of stuff for the duration of hostilities and there is the chance, no matter how remote, that withholding the train spotting data on military trains in the US, UK, Canada, Spain, and Australia will make the terrorists job more difficult. Now I am all for making their job more difficult, aren't you? After all innocent Canadians, maybe even a train spotter or two, could be in the area and killed or injured if anything goes wrong!FWIW, If I was the "said Irregular commander" I'd already be in Canada and have Canadian access to the web. I'd be looking for just such a target which would have political and propaganda value all out of proportion to its actual military value if any. If you want to call me paranoid then feel free to do so. However I have never felt the desire to make "Rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic" my life's work. We can insist on our individual rights all we want. But we have to temper that with some discretion concerning the common good, or in this case the good of "our" troops. You do agree with that don't you? Here in the states we have a saying that the Constitution is not a Suicide Pact. After, all how would you feel if Commonwealth Troops got hurt or killed because you insisted on your "god given right" to report military train movements in an open forum and f*ck all the costs to the troops involved if the wrong guys key on the information you provide?
For me it would be easier on my Soul/Conscience if I didn't say anything for now.I suggested before and I make this suggestion again.
That Military movements of any kind by any of the combatants, Including the Iraqis (though I think the Mukhabarat has all 3 of the Iraqi train fans with access to the internet in jail by now) by any mode be it Train, Plane, Goat Cart, Foot, Rickshaw or Mule be prohibited as a topic of posts until the hostilities cease.Not a sermon or a political argument just some common sense.I'll go back to sleep now.
Chuck Schneider
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North American (Virtual) Locomotive Works

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... and by the time that information gets posted here and read, that train is long gone. Consider too that a daylight train might be a perfect diversion for something they DON'T want anyone to see.

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>... and by the time that information gets posted here and
>read, that train is long gone. Consider too that a daylight
>train might be a perfect diversion for something they DON'T
>want anyone to see. Lets let the Military Authorities decide what they want to let out and not "help them" with out authorization eh?
Chuck Schneider
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When the day comes that I listen to and obey what anybody in the military thinks they're going to tell me to do or say, with any real expectation that I will do so, it'll be one really frosty day in Hell.Unless they want to put me back on the payroll, on MY terms of course.

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So of course you are not a citizen and those troops are not fighting for your right to show your a$$ on here?What part of Brian's post requesting that we not post on this very subject do you not understand?
http://www.train-sim.com/dcforum/DCForumID1/4077.html
Me, Me, Me, I, Mine etc.......Where is the We, Us, Ours???????You are a Spoiled Child IMO!Chuck Schneider
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>So of course you are not a citizen and those troops are not
>fighting for your right to show your a$$ on here? I don't believe I've shown my ass anywhere on the internet, much less here. As for the rest of your question the last time I checked the war wasn't about my right to purchase internet access. The ability to do so is dependent upon my wallet and any one of numerous corporations willing to take my money in exchange for that access. It has not a damned thing to do with "right".
>
>What part of Brian's post requesting that we not post on
>this very subject do you not understand?
>http://www.train-sim.com/dcforum/DCForumID1/4077.html
>Well now there you're making an assumption which you're very much in error about. In point of fact I haven't read it. It doesn't concern me in the least. I haven't posted anything along those lines nor will I.>
>Me, Me, Me, I, Mine etc.......
>
>Where is the We, Us, Ours???????
>
>You are a Spoiled Child IMO!
>Tsk, tsk, tsk Chuck. There you go making yet another half baked dumbassed assumption. Look pinhead, I haven't anywhere in my previous posts insulted you personally, been derogatory toward you, or belligerent. I presented rational counterpoint comments which you apparently have chosen to perceive as attacks because I don't agree with you. Well you know what? Tough $hit.If you really want to get into personalities I can guarantee you a shitstorm of humiliation which I will delight in delivering at every opportunity. You just say the word.And just so you can quit making yourself look foolish, I will be 48 this year. Spoiled child indeed.

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>>So of course you are not a citizen and those troops are not
>>fighting for your right to show your a$$ on here?
>
>I don't believe I've shown my ass anywhere on the internet,
>much less here. Ahh But I do and so do others!
Especially since all it appears you are concerned with is yourself!
And apparently don't understand a simple request from the moderator not to post this material. You decided to make a statement for Anarchistic Freedom.
>As for the rest of your question the last
>time I checked the war wasn't about my right to purchase
>internet access. The ability to do so is dependent upon my
>wallet and any one of numerous corporations willing to take
>my money in exchange for that access. It has not a damned
>thing to do with "right".
>Rights are not suicide pacts!
Those soldiers who defend your freedom along with ours and that of the UK have the right not to have their movements broadcast to the world and "Possibly" putting them at risk. Especially since the request has been made on many forums not to post those kind of pictures and more importantly dates and consists until after the hostilities...
Note I didn't say you couldn't do it...
I just said that the request was made to hold it in abeyance until after the hostilities...
IN point of fact those pictures were probably OK as long as he didn't attach a date/time - direction of travel - consist make up to them. All of which he did. Also note he gave an analyst the ability to estimate the security by noting the number and make up of "armed" cabeese.
See my original post!
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>>What part of Brian's post requesting that we not post on
>>this very subject do you not understand?
>>http://www.train-sim.com/dcforum/DCForumID1/4077.html
>>
>
>Well now there you're making an assumption which you're very
>much in error about. In point of fact I haven't read it. It
>doesn't concern me in the least. Then why would you weigh in on this topic and in this if you don't support the position of several others that they will do what they want and they don't care about the consequences to others?????
Unless, of course, what you were really doing was trolling for a fight?
>I haven't posted anything
>along those lines nor will I.
>
>>
>>Me, Me, Me, I, Mine etc.......
>>
>>Where is the We, Us, Ours???????
>>
>>You are a Spoiled Child IMO!
>>
>
>Tsk, tsk, tsk Chuck. There you go making yet another half
>baked dumbassed assumption. Look pinhead, I haven't anywhere
>in my previous posts insulted you personally, been
>derogatory toward you, or belligerent. I presented rational
>counterpoint comments which you apparently have chosen to
>perceive as attacks because I don't agree with you. Well you
>know what? Tough $hit.
>You in fact rehashed arguments that were debunked several times....
And were completely off point!In fact the only operative thing you should have remembered before you and your friends jumped in was that the Forum Moderator requested that no posts like this be made at this time! Period.
If you and friends don't like those rules you are obviously free to go elsewhere.
I and my friends are staying.
The moderator has plainly stated that he doesn't want any repercussions legal and otherwise for the Board that may be a result of these kinds of posts.
That is his legal right to make and enforce those rules.He goes on further to say that there have been repercussions for other forums for posting this material AT THIS TIME! What is so difficult about that?It doesn't matter if a couple of Train-Sim Fans in east snowshoe think that it isn't fair or may not be a legally enforceable restriction in lower slobovia! Just in Case your forgot here is my entire original post on the subject..."Or at least not be so specific about when you actually shot the picture... "I was actually trying to steer the young man on a better, less controversial way to approach his post.
OK where is the personal attack or belligerence there????
Only after I was attacked did I step it up.
>If you really want to get into personalities I can guarantee
>you a shitstorm of humiliation which I will delight in
>delivering at every opportunity. You just say the word.
>I am supposed to be intimidated how?
This is your choice!
And the threat just re-enforces my impression of your maturity.
BTW,You might just find yourself in a pi$$ing contest with a skunk!>And just so you can quit making yourself look foolish, I
>will be 48 this year. Spoiled child indeed. I didn't make myself look foolish!
You made yourself look foolish!
I I I Me Me Me.... Its all over your post.
You may be 48 but you don't act like it....
I stand by my categorization of you as a spoiled selfish child.Andrew sorry about getting into this...
But rules are rules on allowable posts and this anarchistic selfishness is way over the top to me. Chuck Schneider
I'm only 58
(Virtual) CEO
North American (Virtual) Locomotive Works

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actually what gets me is the fact that the tanks seem to have their brake-lights on, any one else notice this?


Buffalo & Pittsburgh local frieght. from DuBois, PA, to Hutchins, PA.

Genesee & Wyoming all the way!
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Damn reflective tape on the tanks and stuff, also the caboose's on the tail are armored (:I and manned!)The train was 45 minutes late, and it was kinda dark when picks where takin...Oh well, this train has to come back some time so i got a 50/50 chance and there are usually more with front end loaders and other machines. A autorack train with jeeps and containers.ChrisChris WilsonMP 63 CP's Heron Bay Sub

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Hear Hear Chuck!

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Still suprised no one has made a sim for the McArthurs used by the Transportation Corps.

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QARM-27 Westbound Army Train approaching Alberta this afternoon! Take all the pics you like!

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Now you have given every Tom, Dick, and Harry info theyy need to cause harm to the train, crew, equipment, railroad.
I must say I agree with Chuck (and its only very rarely I disagree with Chuck). Please cease and desist posting military movements at least until hostilities cease, and our guys are back home. If I am railfanning, and a Military train comes by, I put my camera up in a hurry. I have no desire to be detained as a terrorist. Have you read Trains Magazine lately? I know both of the people in the article from Texas over email. It's not fun to be detained for hours by th FBI.Support your troops. Help do your part to keep them safe... If someone were to attack the train based on your info, you have just impeded the VERY important war effort on the home front. THink a while about what you just did.

Bradley Linda
Waco, Texas

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Now, will everyone who feels the need to post military info please read this thread! By a moderator!
http://www.train-sim.com/dcforum/DCForumID1/4077.html

Bradley Linda
Waco, Texas

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Although I doubt any harm would come from us posting military info on these forums, I think it would be a good idea to wait about a week after you saw the train and then post about it. I don't think taking pictures of military trains will get you into any trouble as long as you photograph the power on the train and not the actual cars. I've never been questioned when photographing military trains and have just gotten friendly waves from the crews.Jordan

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Don't waste your breath with this loser!
He is only an a$$hole troll or maybe a smart a$$ed kid...
He probably thinks he is being funny!Or if he is not any of the above then it is obvious he is a supporter and enabler of Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden and Friends. In which case he is a "dead-ender" and not worth our time or agrivation...Hey Bozo why don't you tell us when and where you are going to be photographing military movements? And when and where you will post them. You do have the courage of your convictions don't you? or are you all mouth?I'm pretty sure that even in "Canukstan" (very liberal part of Canada) what you are doing is illegal...
The RCMP or MOD might be interested in talking to you.....
Chuck Schneider
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>Don't waste your breath with this loser!
>He is only an a$$hole troll or maybe a smart a$$ed kid...
>He probably thinks he is being funny!
>
>Or if he is not any of the above then it is obvious he is a
>supporter and enabler of Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden
>and Friends.In which case he is a "dead-ender" and not
>worth our time or agrivation...
>
>Hey Bozo why don't you tell us when and where you are going
>to be photographing military movements? And when and where
>you will post them. You do have the courage of your
>convictions don't you? or are you all mouth?
>
>I'm pretty sure that even in "Canukstan" (very liberal part
>of Canada) what you are doing is illegal...
>The RCMP or MOD might be interested in talking to you.....
>
>
>Chuck Schneider Oh, for goodness sake! I hardly call taking pictures of a military locomotive and posting them on a tainsim website is illegal! You might as well ban the posting of any "real" train pictures in case terrorists want to target full passenger trains! Or ban photos of crashes in MSTS in case terrorists decide to attempt crashing a train! Or ban MSTS altogether because terrorists could use it to plan attacks! It's just stupid!That would be like me taking a picture of a military truck on a motorway in Britain, posting it on a vintage vehicles website, and being arrested for it because terrorists could target that truck! And as for calling CP 9102a a "supporter and enabler of Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden", I think you are just being childish and unfair!CP 9102a, can I suggest if you have posted the pics on your website, you take them off. And don't worry about what everyone's saying about the FBI and stuff like that, it's all rubbish! Just remove the pics though, as a precaution.
Matt13 year old Steam Loco driver

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Just had a look at the pics (out of interest, I'm NOT a terrorist, as some of you seem to think CP 9102a is!) and you can hardly see a thing anyway! And I think he has quite a right to post pics of them if he wants! It's not every day you see a train like that! It's just a few innocent pics, which aren’t very good quality and hardy likely to be of any interest to a terrorist! Matt13 year old Steam Loco driver

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Matt,
You do not know what you are talking about in my opinion!The posting of pictures and schedules and locations of military movements is ALWAYS prescribed during time of war.
This request has been made repeatedly by the UK and US governments (Those are UK troops are they not?)Your analogy of the train and a truck is a false one.
Military Movements of any kind are routinely considered for targeting.
The key here is not to make the information gathering phase any easier for the enemy.If you can't see and understand that then we are wasting our time talking here. And you need to go back to playing in a sandbox.And I am spot on calling CP91202 a supporter of Saddam and Osama! He is refusing to conform to a request from the moderator of this board, the UK MOD, US DOD, US Dept. of Homeland Security and Probably the Canadian MOD (though I couldn't find any evidence of that) and various RRs including CSX, NS, BNSF and others. There is nothing childish in what I say. Your uninformed naivety on the other had betrays your age and lack of experience in life. If you are right and I am wrong why tell him to pull the pictures...
after all the FBI and RCMP shouldn't be any threat to him, if he is in the right!
Chuck Schneider
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Okay,I am 15, like trains (I like to watch all these go through)BITCH BITCH BITCHThe pictures will be takin off ASAP and I JUST EMAIL THEM TO MY FRIENDS.And on last thing!This is British stuff going for practice in Alberta, and it has been going like this for some time. Ask any canadian, he or she will tell you right away! Check this site
http://stewart.railfan.net/rail/military.htmI am kinda mad in a way as this is kinda cool seeing these, posting pictures and getting crap about it :Z Everyone is so wierd as this war is going on, and what you were saying about the pictures, and stuff. Maybe they will use MSTS plan a derailment. Just forget about all of this stuff on this post.SORRY FOLKS!ChrisChris WilsonMP 63 CP's Heron Bay Sub

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Ok,
IF the army wanted these trains moved without notice, they would have run it during the middle of the nite when people cant get a good look, not put it on the line up and take other measures.If you guys dont like the post dont read it. And as Chris said, ALL canadian railfans know where these milatary trains go.

Rob.
Mile 21.0 CN Oakville Sub.
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Just a point, Chuck. It's the Canadian Department Of National Defence (DND). Sorry for being a nitpicker, but i'm proud of something i'm part of.

I wanna highball it through Woodstock, Ont. on none other than...THE TURBOTRAIN!!!

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Sorry dude....
I knew you guys as the CanForces when I served....
My Apologies...Chuck Schneider
(Virtual) CEO
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It's still Canadian Forces which identifies those of us in uniform (27 years and counting here). DND is the collective name for the department identifying civilian and military combined the same way as is done with the US DoD and the UK MOD.Stew

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>It's still Canadian Forces which identifies those of us in
>uniform (27 years and counting here). DND is the collective
>name for the department identifying civilian and military
>combined the same way as is done with the US DoD and the UK
>MOD.
>
>
>
>Stew Thanks for setting me straight Stew.....
I guess I still have a mental block that wants to say MOD!
LOL!
Must be my fixation on the Poms! Eh?BTW, congratulations and thanks for your service....
You're 1 up on me! I only got to 26....
Chuck Schneider
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Heh. Well, I've been building a ww 2 era armoured train...

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Okay, NP I was just kinda in one of my moods and this made mt blow up :S
It would make a good model for MSTS!Do up some 89 flats DODX with eqiupment and i think there was 50ft flats BNSF.
We could have some awsome pictures of these on MSTS routes!ChrisChris WilsonMP 63 CP's Heron Bay Sub

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