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mcmulica (20 posts)
Nov-12-01, 07:13 PM (EST) "In need of MKT engines...(near desperation!)" Greetings one and all.....I've been on here before and was seeing if I could get someone to skin a SD40-2 and a GP38-2 in MKT green and yellow. I know Woody was hard at work on an SD40 but understandably he's caught up in other things so I think that one is on permanent hold. I have some sample photos to give you an idea what they look like. If someone could do these for me, you'd have my eternal gratitude. (whatever that's worth :-D )


By the way, TrainArtisan guys.......those new 70s look fantastic. That's one of the most realistic looking UP paint jobs I've seen yet. Can't wait to drive it!God Bless,
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Subject Author Message Date ID RE: In need of MKT engines...(near ... henry3 Nov-14-01 1 RE: In need of MKT engines...(near ... mcmulica Nov-14-01 2 RE: In need of MKT engines...(near ... icsd20 Nov-15-01 3 RE: In need of MKT engines...(near ... mcmulica Nov-15-01 4 RE: In need of MKT engines...(near ... henry3 Nov-15-01 5 RE: In need of MKT engines...(near ... icsd20 Nov-16-01 6 RE: In need of MKT engines...(near ... icsd20 Nov-16-01 7 RE: In need of MKT engines...(near ... mcmulica Nov-16-01 8 RE: In need of MKT engines...(near ... icsd20 Nov-16-01 10 RE: In need of MKT engines...(near ... mcmulica Nov-16-01 11 RE: In need of MKT engines...(near ... icsd20 Nov-17-01 12 RE: In need of MKT engines...(near ... mcmulica Nov-17-01 13 RE: In need of MKT engines...(near ... mcmulica Nov-17-01 14 RE: In need of MKT engines...(near ... icsd20 Nov-17-01 15 RE: In need of MKT engines...(near ... mcmulica Nov-17-01 16 RE: In need of MKT engines...(near ... icsd20 Nov-17-01 17 RE: In need of MKT engines...(near ... mcmulica Nov-18-01 18 RE: In need of MKT engines...(near ... plainsman Nov-19-01 20 RE: In need of MKT engines...(near ... mcmulica Nov-19-01 19 RE: In need of MKT engines...(near ... icsd20 Nov-20-01 21 RE: In need of MKT engines...(near ... mcmulica Nov-20-01 22 RE: In need of MKT engines...(near ... henry3 Nov-20-01 23 RE: In need of MKT engines...(near ... mcmulica Nov-16-01 9

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henry3 (210 posts)
Nov-14-01, 01:07 PM (EST) 1. "RE: In need of MKT engines...(near desperation!)" LAST EDITED ON Nov-14-01 AT 01:09 PM (EST)LAST EDITED ON Nov-14-01 AT 01:07 PM (EST)I see you already found out about Ken. I think he was the only one that had the courage to trying to tackle those beasties. I like the scheme a lot, but if it's as much of a pain to skin as it is to paint on a model....Henry Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
mcmulica (20 posts)
Nov-14-01, 03:15 PM (EST) 2. "RE: In need of MKT engines...(near desperation!)" Absolutely, I totally understand what you're saying. The striping on the front and nose of the engine is quite tedious and tough......that's why if Woody or someone else could do a good job on those for me, I would probably give them some compensation for such hard work, like 5-10 bucks for each engine or something. Like I said earlier, I've grown up near and around an MKT (now UP) main line and would love to have those engines added to my collection. Thanks for replying. Jason Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
icsd20 (132 posts)
Nov-15-01, 07:44 AM (EST) 3. "RE: In need of MKT engines...(near desperation!)" I have only been at this reskin/repaint business for about a month now. I usually do the Illinois Central (Gulf) and related roads. However, I couldn't help but to try a MKT SD40. I have only seen one of these in person, but the image sure stays with you.Here is what I have come up with.


I am really disappointed with the nose stripes. Not quite lined up. It is definately a pain in the hind end. I also need to fix the windows for transparency.Sorry I couldn't do better for you.Thanks,
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mcmulica (20 posts)
Nov-15-01, 08:48 AM (EST) 4. "RE: In need of MKT engines...(near desperation!)" Hey, that's not bad at all!! Those stripes and getting that John Deere green in there makes it tougher than the average skin. I think it looks quite good. Keep it up!Kudos,
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henry3 (210 posts)
Nov-15-01, 11:33 AM (EST) 5. "RE: In need of MKT engines...(near desperation!)" LAST EDITED ON Nov-15-01 AT 11:36 AM (EST)I think you're off to a pretty good start. If you don't mind, I have a couple of pointers:The stripes on the nose and end are a bit thinner (roughly 10 or so inches in width) and more numerous. In addition, they aren't exactly 45-degree stripes. I'm not sure of the technical term, but they're a bit more "relaxed". The angle from the vertical is greater than 45-degrees, but I don't think it's quite 60-degrees. Model-wise, I start with the nose stripes and then work down the cab sides from there. I don't know how well that will work in 3-d modeling, though.And the "MKT" on the side should be more centered between the dynamic brake housing and the traction motor blower duct. (I've noticed this because I did the same things on a batch of Kato HO-scale models last year! )If you haven't done so, check out George Elwood's website for pictures. I think he has several shots of all 37 of Katy's SD40-2s from a variety of angles and viewpoints.Henry Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
icsd20 (132 posts)
Nov-16-01, 03:48 AM (EST) 6. "RE: In need of MKT engines...(near desperation!)" Any pointers will be greatly appreciated.Tha problem I am having with the end and nose as well as the short hood is the way the model uses the TGA. On the TGA, all of those areas have the stripes properly proportioned. They get stretched when I put it in the Sim.I ran out of time last night, but it's a new day so I am getting ready to try her again.Let Y'all know how it goes.Thanks,
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icsd20 (132 posts)
Nov-16-01, 06:44 AM (EST) 7. "RE: In need of MKT engines...(near desperation!)" It is official. I am now completely insane.I am having the same problem my wife did when she did the ICG Eagle. The right front corner of the nose is not lining up. No matter what I try it refuses to cooperate. I got the stripes a little more to my liking. They are close to matching.


Let me know what Y'all think.Thanks,
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mcmulica (20 posts)
Nov-16-01, 08:44 AM (EST) 8. "RE: In need of MKT engines...(near desperation!)" Wow Sam, it keeps looking better and better. I understand all the transfer problems you're having with the stripes. It looks like the top left hand corner stripe of the nose next to the numbers is a bit thicker than the other side but that's also from the conversion I figure. The only other thing I've noticed besides that is that I think the font on the road numbers up top is just a bit different. I was looking at that engine i.r.l. from some pics on George Elwood's website last night and noticed. But hey, other than that, it looks great!!! I wonder in your current state of insanity that you might like to try that on a GP38-2???? Thanks for all your hard work.Cheers,
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icsd20 (132 posts)
Nov-16-01, 03:49 PM (EST) 10. "RE: In need of MKT engines...(near desperation!)" LAST EDITED ON Nov-16-01 AT 03:51 PM (EST)I may tinker around with a 38 this weekend.The whole cab front needs re done I think. I am not satisfied with the stripes there.I'll try a few other things when I get home from work.Thanks,
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mcmulica (20 posts)
Nov-16-01, 10:36 PM (EST) 11. "RE: In need of MKT engines...(near desperation!)" Sounds great my friend. Keep us updated!Cheers,
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icsd20 (132 posts)
Nov-17-01, 05:54 AM (EST) 12. "RE: In need of MKT engines...(near desperation!)" I lifted the numberboards directly off a photo. I wish I could have used photos for the whole thing.The 38 may give me more problems. I can't use the MSTS default, because it's crap. I'd have stripes everywhere. The new 38 we have will put stripes on the back of the cab. We'll see. Here it is.

Let me know what you think.Thanks,
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mcmulica (20 posts)
Nov-17-01, 11:32 AM (EST) 13. "RE: In need of MKT engines...(near desperation!)" one word Sam.........WOW. Absolutely looks great. If the GP gets a bit much for ya, would it be easier to make copies of the SD by renumbering? I know the numberboards you could just copy from photos but I dunno about the side numbers. Just keep me posted. But 632 looks ready to go, can't wait to drive it! Believe me, your hard work is INCREDIBLY appreciated. Cheers,
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mcmulica (20 posts)
Nov-17-01, 11:33 AM (EST) 14. "RE: In need of MKT engines...(near desperation!)" oops.......wrong number! Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
icsd20 (132 posts)
Nov-17-01, 03:16 PM (EST) 15. "RE: In need of MKT engines...(near desperation!)" How many different SD40s do ya want? Renumbering would be like easy.Thanks,
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mcmulica (20 posts)
Nov-17-01, 05:24 PM (EST) 16. "RE: In need of MKT engines...(near desperation!)" 606,611,622,635, and 600 Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
icsd20 (132 posts)
Nov-17-01, 11:01 PM (EST) 17. "RE: In need of MKT engines...(near desperation!)" OK, let me know what you think of these.I was thinking that six locomotives with only the numbers changed might be kind of humdrum.
So I have weathered them to make them appear a little different from each other. If you like them that way OK, if you want them without weathering, I can do that also.Here they are.







This is my heavy autorack train. All MKT equipment.Let me know what you think.Thanks,
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mcmulica (20 posts)
Nov-18-01, 00:11 AM (EST) 18. "RE: In need of MKT engines...(near desperation!)" Greetings once again......Sam......those engines look wonderful and the weathering was a nice touch. I've been looking at George Elwood's website of MKT engines and stock (great references during your hard work on the SDs and GPs). From what I know of MKT as far as rolling stock goes, they hauled primarily coal, oil, and gravel. Most of their rolling stock were the 100T hoppers, boxcars, some low gondolas, but no autoracks (although it was interesting to see them on your customized train ) There were several cars that MKT had with the Union Pacific logo just after UP absorbed the MKT in the late 80s. George's site as MANY cars that can give you a better reference than me just sitting here and talking to you about them. http://www.dnaco.net/~gelwood If you want to try your hand at a couple of them, be my guest. I don't think I'll complain too much....heheheh I kinda figured that MS version GP38 was going to be a tough one to mess with. I did see where some people have come up with a detailed version of that engine but don't know anymore than that. I must tell you Sam, your work is excellent. Just let me know what more you decide to try and things and give me your address when you're done. You deserve some sort of compensation for all you've done. Keep me posted.Cheers,
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plainsman (277 posts)
Nov-19-01, 02:25 PM (EST) 20. "RE: In need of MKT engines...(near desperation!)" Lots of farm produce and ag related chemicals. Lots of cotton and oil tankers.
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mcmulica (20 posts)
Nov-19-01, 01:37 PM (EST) 19. "RE: In need of MKT engines...(near desperation!)" Keep me posted with the progress and let me know when its done. If we don't talk again before then, have a happy thanksgiving!
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icsd20 (132 posts)
Nov-20-01, 03:40 AM (EST) 21. "RE: In need of MKT engines...(near desperation!)" Kelley is reworking the lighting on them.When he gets done I'll zip them up.
Thanks,
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mcmulica (20 posts)
Nov-20-01, 08:44 AM (EST) 22. "RE: In need of MKT engines...(near desperation!)" Sounds great Sam, thanks for the update.Jason Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
henry3 (210 posts)
Nov-20-01, 11:59 AM (EST) 23. "RE: In need of MKT engines...(near desperation!)" Oh my stars and garters!!! I leave town for a few days, and you have them track-ready when I get back!?! Those are simply awesome!Good luck on the '38s!Henry Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
mcmulica (20 posts)
Nov-16-01, 11:26 AM (EST) 9. "RE: In need of MKT engines...(near desperation!)" Woody was working on one before things got so hectic, here's a reference to show you what his looked like:
http://www.train-sim.com/dcforum/DCForumID8/804.htmlAgain, thanks for everything!Cheers,
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