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JMSteven_W98 (190 posts)
Aug-03-01, 00:50 AM (EST) "If you think Train Sim's Editors are complex... (JPG Image)" Look at the "Epic Games" game "Unreal" editor.
I couldn't get all windows on screen to show how complex it is.The game image I show is the TUTORIAL. The editor scripting language is close to C++ and games must be compiled.The editor requires 448 MBytes RAM or it won't load. This is release 2.0 and there still is NO documentation and we still have NO help file. Jim Steven, MCSE
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Subject Author Message Date ID RE: If you think Train Sim's Editor... ragmop Aug-03-01 1 RE: If you think Train Sim's Editor... JMSteven_W98 Aug-03-01 2 RE: If you think Train Sim's Editor... wildh0rse Aug-03-01 3 RE: If you think Train Sim's Editor... JMSteven_W98 Aug-03-01 4 "D"!?!?!??! wildh0rse Aug-03-01 5 RE: "D"!?!?!??! Stew Aug-03-01 6 RE: If you think Train Sim's Editor... Overkill211 Aug-03-01 7 RE: If you think Train Sim's Editor... JMSteven_W98 Aug-04-01 8 RE: If you think Train Sim's Editor... NickF Aug-04-01 9 RE: If you think Train Sim's Editor... wesdowns Aug-04-01 10

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ragmop (42 posts)
Aug-03-01, 01:08 AM (EST) 1. "RE: If you think Train Sim's Editors are complex... (JPG Image)" "and we still have NO help file"We??? Gee, ya think ya know a guy and then... Would've never figured ya for an Unreal kinda guy.. lol!Just kiddin! Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
JMSteven_W98 (190 posts)
Aug-03-01, 01:55 AM (EST) 2. "RE: If you think Train Sim's Editors are complex... (JPG Image)" We play Unreal on Friday afternoons using a dedicated server on a subnet.There are 15 to 20 people online when we start the game and since I'm not as fast as my twenty and thirty-something co-workers, we play a "Capture the Flag" scenario.I learned their editor when someone suggested we landscape a scenario using the AutoCAD maps of the building floors.Jim Steven, MCSE
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wildh0rse (120 posts)
Aug-03-01, 09:57 AM (EST) 3. "RE: If you think Train Sim's Editors are complex... (JPG Image)" Your point about 'unsupported' software is well taken But hey, this is 2001, and MS...we could expect better!I remember when unreal came out there was a 2 mb patch out every two weeks..... and we thought THAT was pathetic. Look at MS, still no word on anything except another absurd, useless and self-gratifying 'faq' and those insufferable 'guides to the routes' - what the hell are those, travel brochures? Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
JMSteven_W98 (190 posts)
Aug-03-01, 12:18 PM (EST) 4. "RE: If you think Train Sim's Editors are complex... (JPG Image)" You're right. The PDF seems to be more of a "quick reference guide" than anything else. And I've written better Help files for developer tools I give away (like a Windows Media Player script writer).I don't even remember where I learned that "V" cuts holes in terrain and "D" copies the current Embankment/Cut/Width so you can repeatedly stamp a terrain into shape. I know it wasn't in any documentation.I've heard though that the message board posts and Tech Support e-mails are starting to have an impact.Jim Steven, MCSE
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wildh0rse (120 posts)
Aug-03-01, 03:58 PM (EST) 5. ""D"!?!?!??!" ANOTHER undocumented command?!?!!? Are they NUTS????? What else di I miss here, Jim? Oh brother....:/ Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
Stew (6 posts)
Aug-03-01, 07:36 PM (EST) 6. "RE: "D"!?!?!??!" There's also "R", "O", "PAGE UP" and "PAGE DOWN". Take a look at "editor.txt" in the Global folder. There's some other stuff there too.Stew Clark Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
Overkill211 (12 posts)
Aug-03-01, 10:48 PM (EST) 7. "RE: If you think Train Sim's Editors are complex... (JPG Image)" Actually, it's complexity is it's gift. It allows ANYTHING to be created (as long as the graphics card holds out in the game). It can import .3DS files directly as brushes. Imagine how much more powerful MSTS would be with that kind of ability. Add to that the fact that Unreal's textures start life as .BMP files. They are NOT converted for the program, just packaged into texture pack .UTX files. (Sorry, Epic fan) Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
JMSteven_W98 (190 posts)
Aug-04-01, 00:31 AM (EST) 8. "RE: If you think Train Sim's Editors are complex... (JPG Image)" Once you've used the Epic editor, it kind of grows on you.I think we'll probably see a face lift for the Train Sim interface too, but I really want to see third-parties do it first. If it comes from a corporate design, we may end up facing talking paper clips for help.
Jim Steven, MCSE
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NickF (218 posts)
Aug-04-01, 02:32 PM (EST) 9. "RE: If you think Train Sim's Editors are complex... (JPG Image)" In that case, God help us all! Death to Clippy!!! Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
wesdowns (81 posts)
Aug-04-01, 02:36 PM (EST) 10. "RE: If you think Train Sim's Editors are complex... (JPG Image)" LAST EDITED ON Aug-04-01 AT 02:38 PM (EST)I changed mine to the Siamese Cat. Microsoft Help files are much like a Siamese cat--they only like their owner and they only oblige to make you feel better when they feel like it.Hasn't anyone come up with a hack for Clippy that allows you to do unspeakable things to that nuisance? Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

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