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Tonight, I have no new pix, but Dante Yard is under construction with 5 tracks in addition to the mainline, passing track, and 2 long yard tracks already in place. When filled out, it will also have a small engine terminal. This rendition in no way follows Dante's current layout even closely, except for the 4 tracks including the mainline, but it has been revised many times over the years, so who knows, this may be accurate for some period between 1907 and today.There were two mine branches that ran up hollows against the south slope of Sandy Ridge. In CC&O history there is no mention directly of these branches, but it is mentioned that the coal reserves on the south side of Sandy Ridge were largely depleted by 1914, which gave rise to additional need for the Elkhorn Extension. I have found no records of the existence of these branches, really just spurs, and so I assume they may have been owned by the coal companies, whose mines they served. None-the-less, they will be included. One of them has a switchback to reach the tipple, and neither are much over a mile in length. Moss No. 2, one of the most prolific mines in the area, nearly the only one still in operation lies on the NS, Dumps Creek line on the south side of Sandy Ridge - and - this line was sold by the Clinchfield to the N&W in 1958 - seems like a blunder to me.A slightly longer spur turned up a hollow at mile 30.3, or Wakenva, and followed Honey Branch about a mile or two. This one is shown on a 1950 profile I acquired at the recent L&NHS meeting in Kingsport. LIkewise the "Mine No. 9" spur near Sykes Mill is also extant in 1950.All of these spurs are indicated on topo maps created in the early 80s, and also are present in the data file that Convert32 extracts data from to create markers. Therefore, all will be included, so with a little imagination, we might say that the environmental types all gave up, and thus it became economical to extract more coal from those dry holes of yesteryear - or in any case, this subdivision ought to satisfy the apetites of all but the most persnickety operations types.A confession - I enjoy creating the routes more than running them, and consider it to be a way of preserving history.J. H. Sullivan, P.E.

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RE: KP Sub. progress, Hack, Oct-06-02, 09:46 PM, (1) RE: KP Sub. progress, landnrailroader, Oct-07-02, 04:09 AM, (4) RE: KP Sub. progress, DRGWK36, Oct-06-02, 09:56 PM, (2) RE: KP Sub. progress, Coonskin, Oct-06-02, 11:37 PM, (3) RE: KP Sub. progress, landnrailroader, Oct-07-02, 04:11 AM, (5) RE: KP Sub. progress, landnrailroader, Oct-07-02, 04:14 AM, (6)

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Boy - this is getting better all the time - I can't wait to take a string of interchange and cleaner coal up and through the Elkhorn Ext., or call a mine run down to the Freemont or Nora spurs! Heck, I just might have to model more CRR stuff to keep up. BTW, Alta Vista's CSX cab ride series over the former Clinchfield briefly goes over the location and operations of the old mines that existed near Dante before the SR tunnel was built. Might be worth a look. Cheers!
Marc - 3DTrains
http://www.3dtrains.comKP Sub. progress – image 2Pro Series F-Units

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Charter Member · 466 posts

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Way ahead of you Marc, I have had all of the Altavista tapes on the Clinchfield for several years. Although there is mention of these mines, it is brief and does not indicate when they were abandoned.Jerry

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I know what you mean about enjoying the building more than the running. I agree that it's a good way to preserve history, especially for the steam routes. My great-grandfather was an engineer on the D&RGW narrow gauge routes out of Alamosa, CO, and this is one way I can experience something like that. I'm hoping to build a couple more routes in the area, especially the line between Alamosa and Santa Fe, where he drove the last revenue train over the line in 1941. The line's long gone now, but MSTS is the best way I've seen for bringing it back to life, even if it's just virtual.And since I work for "a large environmental agency", I'll take the position that the enviros haven't given up, but that there are just more effective ways of using the coal so that it doesn't create any problems .Andy

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Member since Aug-1-02 · 661 posts

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Like Marc said, it just keeps getting better and better. I hestiate to ask this, but think I'll go ahead... have you a ballpark figure in the back of your mind as when you MIGHT possibly be comfortable enough with the route to release it?Sounds like the KP is going to much more operationally intensive than the BR.Andre "Coonskin" Ming

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Charter Member · 466 posts

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As an addendum, thanks to the peculiar nature of the MSTS RE program, subprogram or whatever the #$@!&^% thing is, I take a snapshot backup to another disk each time that I exit from the RE, and a full backup to CD/R at least every other day. So far there have been no corruptions, but this @#$%^ excuse for a program can be a cantankerous thing.Sort of like one of my cats. I have had her for 12 years, she spends every night sleeping right against me and my wife, yet if I or my wife reach out to pet her, there is a 50/50 chance of getting fangs stuck in our hand.Jerry

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