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jet500 (8 posts)
Mar-11-02, 08:14 PM (EDT) "Chicago, Milwakee, St Paul and Pacific" LAST EDITED ON Mar-11-02 AT 09:07 PM (EST)Has anybody ever heard of the Chicago, Milwakee, St Paul and Pacific Railroad? I am working on a route in Western Washington on the Olympic Peninusla where I live and I am driving around finding sections of the old right of way. The court house has some old right of way docs. and the histerical society may have a little. If anyone is familiar with this company I would love to hear from you and try to build the history along with the route. The section I am working on is from Port Angeles, WA to Port Townsend, WA where the frieght cars were loaded on barges to go to Seattle. Track was abandoned in the 60's I think. Any info would be really appriciated. Don (jet500) Fiveash Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
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Subject Author Message Date ID RE: Chicago, Milwakee, St Paul and ... McCloud_River_John Mar-11-02 1 RE: Chicago, Milwakee, St Paul and ... s_adams1 Mar-12-02 2 RE: Chicago, Milwakee, St Paul and ... chuckzeiler Mar-12-02 3 RE: Chicago, Milwakee, St Paul and ... pointroberts Mar-12-02 4 RE: Chicago, Milwakee, St Paul and ... jet500 Mar-12-02 5 RE: Chicago, Milwakee, St Paul and ... pointroberts Mar-13-02 6 RE: Chicago, Milwakee, St Paul and ... landnrailroader Mar-15-02 7 RE: Chicago, Milwakee, St Paul and ... CMStPP May-09-02 8 RE: Chicago, Milwakee, St Paul and ... ssw May-09-02 9 RE: Chicago, Milwakee, St Paul and ... CMStPP May-09-02 10 RE: Chicago, Milwakee, St Paul and ... ssw May-09-02 11 RE: Chicago, Milwakee, St Paul and ... landnrailroader May-09-02 12

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McCloud_River_John (210 posts)
Mar-11-02, 09:48 PM (EDT) 1. "RE: Chicago, Milwakee, St Paul and Pacific" Their common name was the "Milwaukee". Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
s_adams1 (26 posts)
Mar-12-02, 01:58 AM (EDT) 2. "RE: Chicago, Milwakee, St Paul and Pacific" >Their common name was the "Milwaukee".
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Actually it was the "Milwaukee Road" Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
chuckzeiler (204 posts)
Mar-12-02, 09:05 AM (EDT) 3. "RE: Chicago, Milwakee, St Paul and Pacific" Here's a link to the Milwaukee Road Historical Associationhttp://www.mrha.com/ Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
pointroberts (182 posts)
Mar-12-02, 01:19 PM (EDT) 4. "RE: Chicago, Milwakee, St Paul and Pacific"
Here's two more Milwaukee Road links for you:http://www.trainweb.org/milwaukee/homepage.htmlhttp://www.trainweb.org/hiawatha/ Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
jet500 (8 posts)
Mar-12-02, 08:11 PM (EDT) 5. "RE: Chicago, Milwakee, St Paul and Pacific" Thanks everyone that responded. The info was great and the links are a wealth of information. Got some great pictures and info on the route. It should be done and ready to post before the end of the year (not sure which year ) By the way did Point Roberts have a rail service at any time? Does it have an airport? Always wanted to visit there.Thanks again.Don (jet500) Fiveash Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
pointroberts (182 posts)
Mar-13-02, 03:42 AM (EDT) 6. "RE: Chicago, Milwakee, St Paul and Pacific"
The nearest railroad is 5 miles from PR at Roberts Bank Superport (coal and intermodal) and the nearest airport is 8 miles away. Both in Canada! Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
landnrailroader (234 posts)
Mar-15-02, 07:46 PM (EDT) 7. "RE: Chicago, Milwakee, St Paul and Pacific" Perhaps one of the neatest, and least understood of all of the "fallen flags".The SOO line acquired what was left of it around 1985 or so. The Pacific Extension died in 1980, and the electrification some 6 or 7 years before that. I have a friend at the Wisconsin Central who was able to obtain profiles of the Rocky Mtn. division for me. I have put together the scenery and marker files for Plummer JCt. to Alberton, MT, in three pieces, in an effort to make the individual sizes uploadable. That will be next winter's project, as it will soon be "grounds keeping time" in Florida, which lasts longer than elsewhere.As an aside, the Wallace Branch of the NP shared trackage with the Milwaukee from St.Regis to Haugan, MT., following destruction of the NP tracks in a flood in 1933. This being the case, I also did the data for this line as far as Wallace, ID, using only the data visible on the Topo. maps, and knowing that the grade was 4% on both sides of Lookout Pass. I plan to do this portion of the Milwaukee, as electrified (one of the reasons for breaking the segments at Avery). As a result, the Wallace branch must also be electrified because of limitations in MSTS - so we will just pretend that something a lot more valuable was found at Wallace, than Silver. The most scary feature of the line was a giant (100' high or more) timber trestle at Willow Creek, on the west slope of the Pass. At this point, the line reversed direction 180 degrees in a very tight space. After the trestle was condemned in the 60s, a switchback was installed here. The Wallace Branch was also abandoned about 1980.J. H. Sullivan, P.E. Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
CMStPP (5 posts)
May-09-02, 01:53 PM (EDT) 8. "RE: Chicago, Milwakee, St Paul and Pacific" I'm a member of the Milwaukee Road Historical Association (anyone else out there?), and I have issues of their magazine for the past few years. The magazine publishes maps and info about various places of significance along the route, if you have a location of interest I can see if there's an article in my issues. I also have a 3' x 4' track diagram of the shops in Milwaukee, if anyone is interested. I'm working on some of the Wisconsin/Michigan iron ore lines of MILW, hope to post some soon.
-Scott Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
ssw (178 posts)
May-09-02, 04:09 PM (EDT) 9. "RE: Chicago, Milwakee, St Paul and Pacific" LAST EDITED ON May-09-02 AT 04:09 PM (EDT)Have i ever heard of it? My great-granddad worked 50+ years for them in South Dakota. My granddad has his gold pass somewhere.He worked for them to. Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
CMStPP (5 posts)
May-09-02, 04:35 PM (EDT) 10. "RE: Chicago, Milwakee, St Paul and Pacific" Can you get a photo/jpg of his pass? that would be cool to see!
-SCott Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
ssw (178 posts)
May-09-02, 05:21 PM (EDT) 11. "RE: Chicago, Milwakee, St Paul and Pacific" No telling where its buried at. under 4ft of junk......er......railroad models and memorabilia somewhere. I'll dig this summer. Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
landnrailroader (234 posts)
May-09-02, 09:44 PM (EDT) 12. "RE: Chicago, Milwakee, St Paul and Pacific" ONe of my earliest recollections of riding the train was on the MIlwaukee Road. When I was 7 years old, in 1946, my mother decided that since the war was over (temporarily anyway), it was time to go see her sister who lived on a farm near Spencer, IA. Dad could not take that much time off from his business, so he bought my mother, my grandmother, and me, coach tickets from Nashville to Chicago on the Dixie Limited - in those days a very fine heavyweight train. We left Nashville around 3am, had a magnificent breakfast & lunch on the diner, and arrived in Chicago in mid-afternoon at Dearborn Station.We transferred to Union STation, and caught the SOUIX out around 6pm. We had a DRAWING ROOM, which was high class in those days. Granny occupied the lower, I occupied the couch, which made into a third bed, and mother had the upper. My mother wanted me to see the Mississippi R. so she asked the Pullman Porter to knock on our door when the train was leaving Praire du Chien, WI. As we rolled across the river, I noticed a weaving sensation, and it was not until 20 years later, that I learned that the Milwaukee had a floating pontoon bridge at that point.The crew changed at Marquette, IA to a I&D Division crew. They took us to Mason City, where the crew changed again, and I believe that crew went to Souix Falls, SD, but we got off at Spencer.Alas, the SOUIX disappearred in 1960, although I did ride it two more times, in 1955, and 1959, but by then it was all coach, and you stopped for breakfast in Mason City.The Milwaukee was a great road. Unfortunately, the Pacific Extension was it's undoing, like I fear the acquisition of Conrail, especially by NS may have been a big mistake.J. H. Sullivan, P.E. (retired from CSX and proud of it) Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

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