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bnsf4794 (27 posts)
Jul-04-01, 00:13 AM (EST) "Tehachapi Pass!!" LAST EDITED ON Jul-04-01 AT 00:21 AM (EST)My friend and I are members of the La Mesa Model Railroad Club at the San Diego Model Railroad Museum. We've been working hard on building the pass for the Train-Sim, and we have this thing nailed almost 100%. Right now we're setting it up to look like it does today, but it will be easily adaptable to the 1950's era. Here's a pic, we just finished the loop about an hour ago, we still gotta put the terrain in and some final details, but y'all should get a kick out of this!
(Hopefully the picture uploaded... If not I'll try again.)
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Subject Author Message Date ID RE: Tehachapi Pass!! bnsf4794 Jul-04-01 1 Cajon Pass (was RE: Tehachapi Pass!... russsipe Jul-04-01 3 RE: Cajon Pass (was RE: Tehachapi P... bnsf4794 Jul-04-01 5 RE: Tehachapi Pass!! nwman Jul-04-01 4 RE: Tehachapi Pass!! ac4270 Jul-04-01 8 RE: Tehachapi Pass!! ac4270 Jul-06-01 15 RE: Tehachapi Pass!! Ryder276 Aug-08-01 24 RE: Tehachapi Pass!! tulsarailfan Jul-04-01 2 RE: Tehachapi Pass!! Vern Jul-04-01 6 RE: Tehachapi Pass!! ac4270 Jul-04-01 7 RE: Tehachapi Pass!! JohnCS Jul-04-01 9 RE: Tehachapi Pass!! bnsf4794 Jul-04-01 10 RE: Tehachapi Pass!! CSXALine Jul-04-01 11 RE: Tehachapi Pass!! bnsf4794 Jul-04-01 12 RE: Tehachapi Pass!! ac4270 Jul-05-01 13 RE: Tehachapi Pass!! jerseycentral Jul-05-01 14 RE: Tehachapi Pass!! railtester Jul-06-01 16 RE: Tehachapi Pass!! ac4270 Jul-08-01 17 RE: Tehachapi Pass!! Pkman Jul-10-01 18 RE: Tehachapi Pass!! BN_9402 Jul-14-01 19 RE: Tehachapi Pass!! FireEngine Jul-14-01 20 RE: Tehachapi Pass!! BN_9402 Jul-17-01 21 RE: Tehachapi Pass!! ENTrainman Jul-18-01 22 RE: Tehachapi Pass!! BN_9402 Jul-26-01 23 RE: Tehachapi Pass!! Ryder276 Aug-08-01 25 RE: Tehachapi Pass!! Ryder276 Aug-22-01 26 RE: Tehachapi Pass!! leesome1226 Aug-22-01 27 RE: Tehachapi Pass!! RvA1 Aug-22-01 28 RE: Tehachapi Pass!! jerseycentral Aug-22-01 29 RE: Tehachapi Pass!! RvA1 Aug-22-01 30 RE: Tehachapi Pass!! 3DRailHound Aug-23-01 31 RE: Tehachapi Pass!! Ryder276 Aug-23-01 32 RE: Tehachapi Pass!! russsipe Aug-23-01 33 RE: Tehachapi Pass!! Ryder276 Aug-23-01 34 RE: Tehachapi Pass!! leesome1226 Aug-23-01 35 RE: Tehachapi Pass!! 3DRailHound Aug-23-01 36 RE: Tehachapi Pass!! leesome1226 Aug-23-01 37 RE: Tehachapi Pass!! CSXALine Aug-23-01 38 RE: Tehachapi Pass!! jerseycentral Aug-23-01 39 RE: OT - Russell Sipe? stationmaster Aug-24-01 42 RE: OT - Russell Sipe? russsipe Aug-24-01 43 RE: Tehachapi Pass!! PcKiller Aug-23-01 40 RE: Tehachapi Pass!! Cokedude75 Aug-24-01 41 RE: Tehachapi Pass!! bnsf4794 Aug-24-01 44 RE: Tehachapi Pass!! atl126 Aug-24-01 45 RE: Tehachapi Pass!! ejoiner Aug-24-01 46 RE: Tehachapi Pass!! Ryder276 Aug-24-01 47 RE: Tehachapi Pass!! atl126 Aug-24-01 48 RE: Tehachapi Pass!! Ryder276 Aug-24-01 49 RE: Tehachapi Pass!! atl126 Aug-24-01 50 RE: Tehachapi Pass!! PatchCrew Aug-25-01 51 RE: Tehachapi Pass!! atl126 Aug-25-01 52 RE: Tehachapi Pass!! rob20 Aug-25-01 53 RE: Tehachapi Pass!! Rail_Driver Aug-25-01 54 RE: Tehachapi Pass!! atl126 Aug-25-01 55 RE: Tehachapi Pass!! leesome1226 Aug-26-01 56 RE: Tehachapi Pass!! wisrailfan Aug-26-01 57 RE: Tehachapi Pass!! bnsf4794 Aug-26-01 58

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bnsf4794 (27 posts)
Jul-04-01, 01:35 AM (EST) 1. "RE: Tehachapi Pass!!" Here's some more pics of Caliente and Allard. It still needs some work but the track and grades are almost perfect to the real thing. We used actual topographical maps, measured curve radii and tangent lengths. We've built from Edison to Cable so far. We'll build west into Bakersfield soon, and east to Barstow and hopefully south down Cajon Pass to LA. Sorry about the pic quality, I haven't figured it all out yet. Now if only someone would model a Cab-Forward steamer....

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russsipe (4 posts)
Jul-04-01, 12:05 PM (EST) 3. "Cajon Pass (was RE: Tehachapi Pass!!)" bnsf4794wrote:
"We'll build west into Bakersfield soon, and east to Barstow and hopefully south down Cajon Pass to LA."I was just about to post a message asking if anyone was working on Cajon Pass. Glad to hear you are going there. Hope you get there soon.I love the screen shots of your Tehachapi Pass work. Russell Sipe Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
bnsf4794 (27 posts)
Jul-04-01, 12:57 PM (EST) 5. "RE: Cajon Pass (was RE: Tehachapi Pass!!)" We probably won't get to Cajon Pass for quite a while, but I do want to do it. If I can come across some U.S. Geological Survey maps of the Cajon Pass, then we can re-create it almost perfectly. I'm not sure where to get them though. The ones we are using for Tehachapi came from the model railroad club we belong to. Anyway, I'll try to get more pics up (of better quality I hope) as soon as we get more done.John Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
nwman (8 posts)
Jul-04-01, 12:53 PM (EST) 4. "RE: Tehachapi Pass!!" Great job guys,i think this will be a grest add on.I'm suprised that MS didn't do that one.It's the one most guys model in model railroad.Keep up the good work. Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
ac4270 (33 posts)
Jul-04-01, 03:49 PM (EST) 8. "RE: Tehachapi Pass!!" LAST EDITED ON Jul-04-01 AT 04:34 PM (EST)LAST EDITED ON Jul-04-01 AT 04:32 PM (EST) Yeah Tehachapi Passs had it all in the 1950s...

Straight mainline with hi-speed, TIGHT curves with grades (slow speed),

Drag freights, Mixed manifests, Locals, Branchlines, Hi-stepping passenger trains like the; San Joaquin Daylight (51/52), Owl (57-58), West Coast (59/60)(mail), Ex-"Tehachapi" (55/56)(coach-mail),
and the
Santa Fe San Francisco Chief (4/23). We are going to have the switching areas in Magunden, Edison, Taft, Buttonwillow, Arvin, Caliente, Woodford, Tehachapi, Mojave, Searles Branch to Keeler and the narrow gage going to be modeled at least in the 1950s version. I hear that the SP 4449 in "Daylight" will be modeled soon and a generic 2-8-0 is in the works. There is also talk of a SP F-1 2-10-2 based on the Texas Lines #982 ex-SP Pacific Lines #3651. We'll be egerly awaiting the addition of these steam engines.-------------------------------------------- There also sevral good looking F-7A+Bs out there in the works. Mostly for Santa Fe. Is anyone going to repaint an F-unit into "cat whisker", which is great. Tehachapi will also need a lot of SP "Black Widow" F-7 A-B-B-A sets after 1955. Keep up the good work bnsf4794!!! Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
ac4270 (33 posts)
Jul-06-01, 06:12 AM (EST) 15. "RE: Tehachapi Pass!!" LAST EDITED ON Jul-06-01 AT 06:25 AM (EST)Hi all, I'm bnsf4794's friend, that's helping out on the Tehachapi Pass line.
Yep, we're coming along well, we're almost to Mojave now, a matter of 400meters to the "Jawbone" branch switch. We had one derailment today running left-hand running thru Tehachapi Westbound with 3 Dash-9s and 60 cement cars, these cars sure are light they must be emptys, at the East end of the wye siding doing about 45-55mph... Cars and engines piled two to three deep, Ouch! Lessons learned... #1....Don't go over 10deg manual switches that have recently been thrown, reset, and has not been "spiked-over."#2....Don't go over 10deg manual switches at 50mph? #3....No problem at 25-30mph... Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
Ryder276 (24 posts)
Aug-08-01, 07:43 PM (EST) 24. "RE: Tehachapi Pass!!" How are you guys doing on your Tehachapi Route??
-havnt heard anything in a while.. Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
tulsarailfan (19 posts)
Jul-04-01, 11:00 AM (EST) 2. "RE: Tehachapi Pass!!" This looks GREAT!!! Nice work! Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
Vern (38 posts)
Jul-04-01, 02:35 PM (EST) 6. "RE: Tehachapi Pass!!" Looks nice!Are you aware 3D Train Stuff are also producing a version of the Tehachapi route for MTS? Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
ac4270 (33 posts)
Jul-04-01, 03:25 PM (EST) 7. "RE: Tehachapi Pass!!" LAST EDITED ON Jul-04-01 AT 04:23 PM (EST)Well it's good to hear that someone else iss interrested in siming the pass. Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
JohnCS (176 posts)
Jul-04-01, 04:23 PM (EST) 9. "RE: Tehachapi Pass!!" Again, looks like fine work La Mesa guys! (as an aside I was down there last month, their real modeling looks even better).Double track is quite doable with dynamic track. I've done a two mile test section so far with multiple mild curves and was able to line up both ends to a standard double track piece with a little dynamic track ingenuity, and sucessfully ran a train across it. Parallel tracks didn't have any grade differential problems, though if you go to separated mains that might get tricky. Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
bnsf4794 (27 posts)
Jul-04-01, 04:50 PM (EST) 10. "RE: Tehachapi Pass!!" >Parallel tracks didn't have any grade
>differential problems, though if you
>go to separated mains that
>might get tricky. Yep! Doing Ilmon siding was interesting to say the least. It's on a slight grade and the siding baloons out at each end so the siding is actually longer than the main. Normally this wouldn't be a problem but since there is a grade.... well let's just say I'm glad that part of the railroad is behind us now! Ok, back to work I go.

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CSXALine (184 posts)
Jul-04-01, 05:58 PM (EST) 11. "RE: Tehachapi Pass!!" so now we will have to compare the two - will the new one be free?
Jason
The Seaboard Coast Line/CSX A Line
Through Florida
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bnsf4794 (27 posts)
Jul-04-01, 09:15 PM (EST) 12. "RE: Tehachapi Pass!!" OK, got some terrain in at the Loop today, also got the line built into Bakersfield with both yards started (UP and BNSF). Hopefully these pics came out better. Now I just gotta figure out how to do tunnels...



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ac4270 (33 posts)
Jul-05-01, 02:56 AM (EST) 13. "RE: Tehachapi Pass!!" Looking good John!
Can't wait to see Edison to Kern Jct. Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
jerseycentral (288 posts)
Jul-05-01, 11:54 AM (EST) 14. "RE: Tehachapi Pass!!" just look for the track sections that say "tun" at the end..by the way, im not a great fan of western railroading, but i must admit, that looks like its gonna be sweet.... Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
railtester (288 posts)
Jul-06-01, 09:25 PM (EST) 16. "RE: Tehachapi Pass!!" LAST EDITED ON Jul-06-01 AT 09:32 PM (EST)>OK, got some terrain in at
>the Loop today, also got
>the line built into Bakersfield
>with both yards started (UP
>and BNSF). Hopefully these
>pics came out better. Now
>I just gotta figure out
>how to do tunnels... <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Take a look at the listings below, look at the top one first where there are some screen shots and a start on the secret of tunnels but especially the second thread which bring it all together. They will explain the tunnel. RailroadKing and Wildh0rse totally figured it out so that it's do-able!Davidhttp://www.train-sim.com/dcforum/DCForumID6/354.htmlhttp://www.train-sim.com/dcforum/DCForumID6/386.html Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
ac4270 (33 posts)
Jul-08-01, 05:08 PM (EST) 17. "RE: Tehachapi Pass!!" OK, bnsf4794 is working on the tunnels. Last night I saw that he had the loop tunnel in, looking good! ac4270 Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
Pkman (12 posts)
Jul-10-01, 04:55 PM (EST) 18. "RE: Tehachapi Pass!!" Looks nice so far Guys , will this route have signals and do you plan to offer this route for downloading free or for sale ?? Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
BN_9402 (11 posts)
Jul-14-01, 12:47 PM (EST) 19. "RE: Tehachapi Pass!!" Hey guys! The routes looking great! Hows the work going lately?Austin Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
FireEngine (8 posts)
Jul-14-01, 05:13 PM (EST) 20. "RE: Tehachapi Pass!!" Great Work Guys! I love it. One question though when will the route do ready for download and at what site will I be able to get it from. Please reply to me and let me know about this. Thanks a lot. Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
BN_9402 (11 posts)
Jul-17-01, 10:00 PM (EST) 21. "RE: Tehachapi Pass!!" Any news on this. Its been a whileAustin Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
ENTrainman (13 posts)
Jul-18-01, 04:09 PM (EST) 22. "RE: Tehachapi Pass!!" Looks Great! The Only thing you might want to change it the track texture, the one you are using is japanese Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
BN_9402 (11 posts)
Jul-26-01, 10:51 PM (EST) 23. "RE: Tehachapi Pass!!" Its too bad, this won't be reality!Austin
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Ryder276 (24 posts)
Aug-08-01, 08:08 PM (EST) 25. "RE: Tehachapi Pass!!" 10-4 Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
Ryder276 (24 posts)
Aug-22-01, 08:24 PM (EST) 26. "RE: Tehachapi Pass!!" How are you folks coming along with your tehachapi route??
-just wondering...
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leesome1226 (122 posts)
Aug-22-01, 08:39 PM (EST) 27. "RE: Tehachapi Pass!!" There won't be a free tehachapi route, the guys who were making this free route jumped ship over to 3dtrainstuff and now they are making a pay route. So now we have to pay 35 bucks for the route.Sorry to burst your bubble.Chris Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
RvA1 (221 posts)
Aug-22-01, 11:04 PM (EST) 28. "RE: Tehachapi Pass!!" Figures............ Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
jerseycentral (288 posts)
Aug-22-01, 11:31 PM (EST) 29. "RE: Tehachapi Pass!!" well, if you were in that position...limited resources without pay or unlimited resources with pay..what do you chose? Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
RvA1 (221 posts)
Aug-22-01, 11:40 PM (EST) 30. "RE: Tehachapi Pass!!" Easy now Jersey...I wasn't putting anybody down for making the choice to go payware, it's there work and all that. I was just saying it figures that's all. Hell, if someone asked me to sell a mesh I would have to think long and hard on that one. Not too sure what I would say to be honest with you. Oh, and I know all about budgets so...........Best,Roger Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
3DRailHound (14 posts)
Aug-23-01, 07:22 PM (EST) 31. "RE: Tehachapi Pass!!" >How are you folks coming along
>with your tehachapi route??
> -just wondering...
>Dan Hi Dan,The route is coming along just fine, one problem we are running into though is that we don't have the *.ACE compression tool that Kuju used so it looks like we will have to call out some of the objects (that or sacrifice frame rates big time on many user's puters) from the Marias Pass route that Kuju sold to Microsoft. However, we are making several key models that are unique to the route that will give it the right flavor.As for the bursting bubbles and jumping ship, well, the fact of the matter is this, John and Jason did not have any means to distribute the route, and they also needed some help to finish the project as well. Believe me, if there was an easy way to distribute this route to the masses, and do all the models that are necessary to give it justice we would offer it free to the community. Unfortunately that is not reality, so yes we will be asking for $34.95 for the route, I hope that we can count on your support, and I promise the route will be worth every penny, not to mention it will help us to bring many more kewl routes to this community.Stay on track you guy's, your stuff is going to be the bomb on this route!peace, out
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Ryder276 (24 posts)
Aug-23-01, 08:18 PM (EST) 32. "RE: Tehachapi Pass!!" Thank you,my question is answered and yes you do have my support,
i have no problem with the 35 bucks you folks are asking for the tehachapi route and i am also looking foward to the Cajon pass route in the future(i sometimes stop thru there and camcord trains going up and down).I have spent many times that($35)on add-ons for MS FS 2000,CFS2 and Fly!(and eagerly awaiting the 777 release for Fly2!) :>)
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russsipe (4 posts)
Aug-23-01, 08:36 PM (EST) 33. "RE: Tehachapi Pass!!" Dan,Check out the second message in this topic. I too am hoping for Cajon Pass. Due to my faith in the basic goodness of mankind ;) I believe the 3D Train Stuff guys will see the light and surely produce a Cajon Pass adjunct to their upcoming Tehachapi Pass product. It's inevitable. GRIN.Where do I send the $35 for Tehachapi? It will be the second best $35 I will spend on my hobbies this year (or next year?). The best, of course, being the $35 I will send for Cajon Pass.Russell Sipe Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
Ryder276 (24 posts)
Aug-23-01, 08:49 PM (EST) 34. "RE: Tehachapi Pass!!" Russell,
I thought i read somwhere that the
release date for cajon pass would be sometime next january, maybe Brad
can correct me if im wrong..
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leesome1226 (122 posts)
Aug-23-01, 08:49 PM (EST) 35. "RE: Tehachapi Pass!!" Well, I bet the quaility will be very high and that it will certaintly be good, But I have to bring up the point again, this route is 35 bucks and the whole game is 45, now that is 78 % of the game that we are paying for ONE route, if we paid 35 dollars for the game, they in theory using what we have now, the game would have only came with 4.68 routes(I know you can't have .68 of a route but you get my point). I no that somebody was gonna bring up the price facter, I guess it had to be me.Chris Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
3DRailHound (14 posts)
Aug-23-01, 09:18 PM (EST) 36. "RE: Tehachapi Pass!!" LAST EDITED ON Aug-23-01 AT 09:19 PM (EST)Hey guys,Yes, we are going to try to get the Cajon route (the High Desert Line Route) out before Christmas, we'll see. The guy's are still laying track at the bottom of Cajon, and we still have alot of work to do between Summit and Barstow. Btw, most of the track work so far is dynamic, about 90% of it anyways.And Chris, I'm sorry, but your analogy or "price factor" as you call it is kind of like comparing apples to oranges. I tell you what, if you can get me one million pre orders of this route (like Microsoft had with Train Simulator), I will lower the price of the route to $5 <g> Seriously though, my pockets can't begin to compare with Bill's, so unless you make a more realistic comparison, that analogy is flawed. Now, I would guess you already knew that though, like you said, someone was bound to bring it up, and I'm glad it was you Stay on track!peace, out
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leesome1226 (122 posts)
Aug-23-01, 09:26 PM (EST) 37. "RE: Tehachapi Pass!!" Now I am not saying that I wouldn't pay the price or that the price isn't fair, I am just comparing it to the game so everybody can realize it, think about it and then make their own choice to buy or not to buy, after all that is the question. Chris Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
CSXALine (184 posts)
Aug-23-01, 09:59 PM (EST) 38. "RE: Tehachapi Pass!!" I understand charging for the route, especially with the time frame involved in getting the route put together, I, however will wait for someone else to purchase the route first before i drop $35 on it, Trust me I know it takes alot to put into a route, but i also know the route building technology is in it's infancy, so for me i think it will be best to wait and determine the following.#1. does the route do justice to the real thing.(doesn't have to be perfect, just plausible).#2. will it be relatively bug free.#3. with all the custom objects, what will the impact on frame rates be?dont get me wrong, I am not against charging for the route by any means, I just want to make sure one gets what he pays for.
Jason Webb
The Seaboard Coast Line/CSX A Line from Tampa Florida to Jacksonville, FL
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jerseycentral (288 posts)
Aug-23-01, 10:33 PM (EST) 39. "RE: Tehachapi Pass!!" Rva1...dont worry...im cool with you...i was just saying, if you could...what would you do? i myslef am not terribly serious about MSTS so i know that i will never go into this commercially but i do appreciate both ends as it makes MSTS balanced out between commercial and amateur... Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
stationmaster (117 posts)
Aug-24-01, 08:09 AM (EST) 42. "RE: OT - Russell Sipe?" Same Russell Sipe from CGW who wrote "The Official Guide to Railroad Tycoon"? Just wondering. Still on my shelf after about ten years!
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russsipe (4 posts)
Aug-24-01, 11:01 AM (EST) 43. "RE: OT - Russell Sipe?" >Same Russell Sipe from CGW who
>wrote "The Official Guide to
>Railroad Tycoon"? Just wondering. Still
>on my shelf after about
>ten years! Yeah. That's me. I still love trains.Russell Sipe
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PcKiller (17 posts)
Aug-23-01, 10:54 PM (EST) 40. "RE: Tehachapi Pass!!" How long is the route? (Miles) and does it let you use eletric Trains? Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
Cokedude75 (1 posts)
Aug-24-01, 03:54 AM (EST) 41. "RE: Tehachapi Pass!!" This thing looks sweet!!! Great job you guy. I also saw the model railroad that you guy have which is just outstanding!!! Keep up the good work!! Nicolas Jackson Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
bnsf4794 (27 posts)
Aug-24-01, 03:24 PM (EST) 44. "RE: Tehachapi Pass!!" The route is around 70-80 miles long, unfortunately in the route editor there's no good way to measure mileage so I can't tell you for sure. About 40 miles of the route is winding through the mountains, so it would take about 2 or 3 hours to run the entire thing.On another note, I expected some people to become upset when my buddy and I decided to team up with 3dTrainstuff, but what 3dRailhound said is entirely true, we had no means to distribute. And speaking for myself, I'm a broke college student tired of working crappy jobs, so I saw an opportunity and took it . I didn't jump off a ship, I climbed aboard one! It's no different than seeing a demand for model railroad equipment and starting a company to produce it. Did Athearn and Kato and Atlas jump-ship when they started out, or did they see an opportunity to earn a living? Should they give away their hard work? Y'all have seen the editors, it's hard work! Back to work I go! God Bless.
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atl126 (36 posts)
Aug-24-01, 07:57 PM (EST) 45. "RE: Tehachapi Pass!!" This is a bucnh of crap!!! I think u want to make a profeit of this and everyone esle that has made there own route's have them for free i don't think is right to spend 35 damn dollars for a stupied route that dosne't make a lot of sence u make me sick!!!
From the One and only Train Man if ya smell what i'm cook'? if u don't don't worrie it won't matter Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
ejoiner (171 posts)
Aug-24-01, 08:15 PM (EST) 46. "RE: Tehachapi Pass!!" You dont want it..dont buy it. But dont start another freeware vs. payware thread.Eric Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
Ryder276 (24 posts)
Aug-24-01, 08:56 PM (EST) 47. "RE: Tehachapi Pass!!" Its not crap.Dont buy it.
We will. :>) Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
atl126 (36 posts)
Aug-24-01, 10:12 PM (EST) 48. "RE: Tehachapi Pass!!" Yes it is crap only morrons pay for a route for a simulator that u play with on a computer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
IF YA SMELLLLLLLLLLLLLL WHAT THE CANDY MAN IS COOKIN'!!!!!!!!!!! Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
Ryder276 (24 posts)
Aug-24-01, 10:20 PM (EST) 49. "RE: Tehachapi Pass!!" Andy,
Grow up. Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
atl126 (36 posts)
Aug-24-01, 10:40 PM (EST) 50. "RE: Tehachapi Pass!!" I don't know anyone name andy my name is alfread Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
PatchCrew (1 posts)
Aug-25-01, 01:42 AM (EST) 51. "RE: Tehachapi Pass!!" Ok Alfread so why does your profile say Andrew Luc?BTW why don't you tell us what the candy man is cooking? And I don't like you calling me a moron!If you were a real Trainman you wouldn't be able to wait to get your hands on Tehachapi!I'm buying it. If you don't, fine that's your loss.HB
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atl126 (36 posts)
Aug-25-01, 11:28 AM (EST) 52. "RE: Tehachapi Pass!!" I am a big trainman but i'm not a fan of that route i'm a big fan of the Norfolk Southren and N&W and NKP Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
rob20 (36 posts)
Aug-25-01, 12:53 PM (EST) 53. "RE: Tehachapi Pass!!" Andy are u guys voting to join up the BofLE?
When is this route going to be done?? Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
Rail_Driver (46 posts)
Aug-25-01, 02:55 PM (EST) 54. "RE: Tehachapi Pass!!" I am a big trainman but i'm not a fan of that route i'm a big fan of the Norfolk Southren and N&W and NKPOk so would you buy a route based on Norfolk Southern?Rob I bet he has no idea what you are talking about.Rail Driver
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atl126 (36 posts)
Aug-25-01, 10:27 PM (EST) 55. "RE: Tehachapi Pass!!" LAST EDITED ON Aug-25-01 AT 10:28 PM (EST)yes if it was a route in north western ohio like the route between bellvue ohio and toeldo ohio with an enterchage with the chichgo to cleveland ex-conrail two track main heading to chichgo.
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leesome1226 (122 posts)
Aug-26-01, 09:09 AM (EST) 56. "RE: Tehachapi Pass!!" Bofle Is the Brotherhood of Locomoive Enginners.Chris Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
wisrailfan (9 posts)
Aug-26-01, 12:36 PM (EST) 57. "RE: Tehachapi Pass!!" Will the route be available on CD, or download only? I'm willing to pay for quality stuff, but only if it comes in a box. Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
bnsf4794 (27 posts)
Aug-26-01, 03:35 PM (EST) 58. "RE: Tehachapi Pass!!" Yes the route will be on CD. You'll be able to order and pay online and then we'll send out the CD. I don't have any more details than that, I'm not in charge of that aspect of the operation. I think that the smaller items we will have available soon (such as locomotives) will be download-only. John Greenstone
3dtrainstuff.com
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