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fishcarver (12 posts)
Jan-24-02, 02:37 PM (EST) "I dream of RouteBuilder" ....and hope that some brillant and unsung soul out there is working on an application that will do for routes what ConBuilder did for consists! Imagine! a user-friendly Route Editor! It boggles! Here is a chance for someone to get rich...or at least moderately comfortable! Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
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Subject Author Message Date ID RE: I dream of RouteBuilder Macster Jan-24-02 1 RE: I dream of RouteBuilder pointroberts Jan-24-02 2 RE: I dream of RouteBuilder Jak_Fearon Jan-24-02 3 RE: I dream of RouteBuilder Hawk Jan-24-02 4 RE: I dream of RouteBuilder RonA Jan-25-02 22 RE: I dream of RouteBuilder libredr Jan-24-02 5 RE: I dream of RouteBuilder LawrenceKellie Jan-24-02 7 RE: I dream of RouteBuilder libredr Jan-25-02 20 RE: I dream of RouteBuilder LawrenceKellie Jan-25-02 29 RE: I dream of RouteBuilder Southern_Railway Jan-24-02 8 RE: I dream of RouteBuilder LawrenceKellie Jan-24-02 6 RE: I dream of RouteBuilder cnwforever Jan-24-02 9 RE: I dream of RouteBuilder LawrenceKellie Jan-24-02 10 RE: I dream of RouteBuilder nw_fan Jan-24-02 12 RE: I dream of RouteBuilder DKlemm Jan-24-02 11 RE: I dream of RouteBuilder cnwforever Jan-24-02 13 RE: I dream of RouteBuilder LawrenceKellie Jan-24-02 14 RE: I dream of RouteBuilder cnwforever Jan-24-02 15 RE: I dream of RouteBuilder LawrenceKellie Jan-25-02 28 RE: I dream of RouteBuilder rgarber Jan-24-02 16 RE: I dream of RouteBuilder NickF Jan-24-02 17 RE: I dream of RouteBuilder nw_fan Jan-25-02 18 RE: I dream of RouteBuilder DKlemm Jan-25-02 26 RE: I dream of RouteBuilder blvdbill Jan-25-02 19 RE: I dream of RouteBuilder rgarber Jan-25-02 24 Thanks Again Rich for all your help blvdbill Jan-25-02 33 RE: I dream of RouteBuilder LawrenceKellie Jan-25-02 30 RE: I dream of RouteBuilder DKlemm Jan-25-02 27 RE: I dream of RouteBuilder beluga Jan-25-02 21 RE: I dream of RouteBuilder gxm149 Jan-25-02 23 RE: I dream of RouteBuilder rgarber Jan-25-02 25 RE: I dream of RouteBuilder gxm149 Jan-25-02 31 RE: I dream of RouteBuilder roycru Jan-25-02 32 RE: I dream of RouteBuilder LawrenceKellie Jan-25-02 34 RE: I dream of RouteBuilder landnrailroader Jan-25-02 35 RE: I dream of RouteBuilder LawrenceKellie Jan-25-02 36

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Macster (342 posts)
Jan-24-02, 02:43 PM (EST) 1. "RE: I dream of RouteBuilder" I would love to see this, I've had nightmares of the Route Editor eating my routes that I have tried lol.Who knows...something like this would be a GREAT add-on for TS, and you never know Brian E. Bundridge
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pointroberts (98 posts)
Jan-24-02, 03:30 PM (EST) 2. "RE: I dream of RouteBuilder" Have you guys checked out Route Control, from Jak Fearon and the folks at howintheworld?http://www.howintheworld.com/routecontrol.shtml Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
Jak_Fearon (336 posts)
Jan-24-02, 04:27 PM (EST) 3. "RE: I dream of RouteBuilder" Well Route Control is not a route builder but I do appreciate the mention!However... we've been dreaming of an easy to use Route Builder as well... ahem... Jak Fearon
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Hawk (296 posts)
Jan-24-02, 04:50 PM (EST) 4. "RE: I dream of RouteBuilder" Jak-You teaser, you! LOL
Hawk
"And it comes to be, that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way."
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RonA (18 posts)
Jan-25-02, 08:15 AM (EST) 22. "RE: I dream of RouteBuilder" I have come to love Jak's teasing posts - they usually mean something mindboggling is on the way!
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libredr (62 posts)
Jan-24-02, 05:18 PM (EST) 5. "RE: I dream of RouteBuilder" Well, are you planning a DEM extractor too ? Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
LawrenceKellie (1159 posts)
Jan-24-02, 05:41 PM (EST) 7. "RE: I dream of RouteBuilder" Why? DEM-EX works very well. Of what I have seen of Jak's concepts, he looks at where there is a lack and fills it. There are currently several tools to model the terrain, and I understand that JohnCS, the creator of DEM-EX, has been working on an upgrade. I can only forsee that this will get better. No insult to Jak, but I personally don't see the need for another participant in the DEM world.Lawrence Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
libredr (62 posts)
Jan-25-02, 02:37 AM (EST) 20. "RE: I dream of RouteBuilder" LAST EDITED ON Jan-25-02 AT 03:32 AM (EST)Lawrence
It was a joke, you know. I said that because two dem extractors are out about at the same time, tstools, and demex. And there is TSTerraform which will have the advantage to be free, for people who have not to much money (and demex 0.6). I did not say that these softwares were bad ! Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
LawrenceKellie (1159 posts)
Jan-25-02, 11:20 AM (EST) 29. "RE: I dream of RouteBuilder" And I didn't say that you said they were bad.My point is this: As you have brought out, there already exist several tools for DEM (BTW, I haven't read anything about JohnCS charging for his new DEM-EX in the forums except what you have written here), Jak and his crew could spend their time better, in my opinion, in looking in an area that does NOT have any alternative.Lawrence Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
Southern_Railway (80 posts)
Jan-24-02, 06:01 PM (EST) 8. "RE: I dream of RouteBuilder" Jak,How about a new "Route Builder" from howintheworld? You are miracle workers. Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
LawrenceKellie (1159 posts)
Jan-24-02, 05:38 PM (EST) 6. "RE: I dream of RouteBuilder" I remember asking my father-in-law several years ago if he would teach me to drive one of his logging trucks. I was working for him at the time, he is a logging contractor.He had a very simple answer, "No."When I asked why not, he responded with, "It costs too much. Every logging truck driver that I know, including myself, has lost the truck on a hill, thereby, totalling the truck. It just plain costs too much."Very good point!I also remember my first week working, operating a line skidder, for him. I started on a Wednesday. The following Wednesday, I rolled the skidder. Didn't hurt it any. We just flopped it back on its feet, checked the cylinders to make sure they didn't fill with oil, fired it up, and went back to work. Of course, I was a little humbler after that.Finally, I remember one day he told me, "Go down that trail and skid in that big Spruce." My response was, "What's a Spruce?"So what do all these little anecdotes have to do with MSTS and the Route Editor. Plenty. To learn anything that is of worth, it takes effort. It takes failure. It takes routes crashing. It takes deleting routes. It takes skill. It takes sufficient computer resources to counteract the tendency to crash. It takes experience!So, much of what I am going to write has already been written. And for that reason, I do not like to repeat what has been written. But with a new group of MSTS route builders....First, have an adequate computer. When I first got MSTS I was running with a 667 mHz, 256 RAM. Now according to the the box for MSTS, that is a very adequate computer. But there is one little thing that is not written anywhere (that I am aware of). Those requirements are for the Sim, NOT the Route Editor!!! I had trouble just like you and others have expressed. I upgraded to 384 MB RAM, and things got a lot better. I upgraded to 768, and I can say that I cannot remember having had the Route Editor crash on me since upgrading to 768. Does the Sim run better. Not really. For that, I would assume that my CPU speed and video card may be the culprits. So, get adequate RAM.Second, start small. Make a one tile route. You can put a lot of track, scenery, etc., on a one-tile route. Do a search, clicking the Archive checkbox, using "My little 1x1" as your search term to see one example.Third, save often, but not just save often, but make sure that when you save, NOTHING is selected. In other words, before you save, click on the ground. Deselect everything. In fact, some people have gone so far as to move the camera so they are pointing to the sky before saving. Save often.Fourth, make backups. I backup Tapiola every day or two. I have the entire route zipped into a file. Then when I want to make a new backup, I make a copy of the latest zipped file in the Tapiola route directory, rename it to today's date, select all the files and directories except it, and drag it onto it. When WinZip opens, I choose Update, Maximum, and include full pathways. Since I am only updating the few files I have worked on over the last couple of days, it doesn't take very long. (The zip file is about 450 MB.) When I have two or three archived on the harddrive, I burn them onto CDs. One day's backup per CD. Make Backups.Fifth--black screen. I am certain you have had this happen. When you select a new object, the Route Editor window turns black. At that time, especially if you have, say, under 512 MB RAM, save your work, exit out of Train Sim (not just the RE), and restart Train Sim. It has been my experience that you do NOT need to reboot. I have a memory monitor, which allows me at any given moment to see how much RAM is available. Exiting Train Sim and restarting Train Sim will recapture that memory. (Of course, even though my computer is on all day long, I reboot about once a day anyway.)If you follow these little points, your experience with the Route Editor should be a happier one. The Route Editor is actually a very good tool. You can do quite a lot with it. And one of the founding participants (he worked for MS) in the train-sim Route Forum stated that there was no reason to believe that KUJU used anything other than what we have. And he was create routes, I believe, 9 months before MSTS was released!If you follow the above points, especially making sure that you have adequate computer resources, your experience will be a good one. Look at all the routes that have been created. KUJU created ~600 miles of routes. Jim Ward, Rich Garber, David Klemm, and others who I don't have their name on the tip of my fingers, have all created routes with this tool. Just like driving a logging truck, operating a skidder, or, may I be so bold as to point out, operating a real-world locomotive takes time to learn, so the Route Editor. And in the process, you will have crashes, you will want to throw the whole software out, you will have black screens, you will have corrupt databases, you will have all of these. But just as a logging truck driver looses a rig, it is all part of learning.Lawrence Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
cnwforever (3 posts)
Jan-24-02, 08:19 PM (EST) 9. "RE: I dream of RouteBuilder" Hey Lawrence …. Aren't you the rain cloud, gee you sure know how to put a damper on a person's will to dream! Must you always be so serious? Hey do you think you could just get down off the soapbox, put away your Masters degree & all your little anecdotes for a while and just let you hair down …and just relax! So they wish to have a program to build routes or a little better RE, I bet a buck a donut, if one was to make a route builder you would be the first in line to download it. So just chill out a bit … your not the forum police nor are you are father to tell us the facts of life and give us little anecdotes! Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
LawrenceKellie (1159 posts)
Jan-24-02, 08:50 PM (EST) 10. "RE: I dream of RouteBuilder" For a person who has only posted one post you sure do think you have the right to tell people what to do.Why don't YOU chill a little. If you can't recognize friendly, helpful advice, then you had better go to Marco's site!Lawrence Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
nw_fan (198 posts)
Jan-24-02, 09:14 PM (EST) 12. "RE: I dream of RouteBuilder" SHEESH!I'd like to see a more user friendly route editor too... And I'm not disputing anything Lawrence said. They are all about the same as I have observed. As I have upgraded my system, things have improved.But, I would shell out a lot of money for a route editor. The same amount as I did for TrainSim? Maybe. I get as much enjoyment building my models as I do running trains in the Sim. I have to assume I would get as much enjoyment building routes as I do building trains and buildings. I use 3dCanvas and paid $50.00 for it. I probably enjoy creating as much as playing. That said... I am getting close to the point where I have everything built that I will want to use on my route when decide to start. Hopefully, Route Editing will have progressed as far as modeling already has by the time I start building my route. It is a reasonable expectation.To the folks at howintheworld... Thanks for Sky2 and RouteControl. I recently purchased it. Not so much because I needed to, I only use the consist fixing part right now, but because I think, next to TrainArtisan, you have contributed some of the highest quality products for TrainSim experience. I hope that the money talks and encourages you to make more software. And Lawrence, I have a lot of posts, so is it OK for me to speak up? How'd this thread get so negative so fast? Mike
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DKlemm (1050 posts)
Jan-24-02, 09:03 PM (EST) 11. "RE: I dream of RouteBuilder" cnwforever;Every one is allowed there opinoin, even you I'll grant, but your newness to this site suggest you may have opened your mouth before engaging your brain. Look at Lawrence's post count, he's been here since the very early days, as have I. What we have today is light years ahead of what we had in June last year. Partly based on our knowledge of the RE. And yes, Jak makes wonderful things and fills in the holes we have in MSTS.I was like many at first when I started with the RE about the difficulty with it and complained, but I kept going, learning and understanding it. Now, as Lawrence says, it is fine. I understand it and when I get and "error" I now know what "I" did to cause it and can fix it.All his tips are valid and a must if you want to protect your work.David Klemm
Illinois Central Route
Illinois and St Louis Divisions
Ver 0.6 uploaded
Working on Decatur IL
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cnwforever (3 posts)
Jan-24-02, 10:00 PM (EST) 13. "RE: I dream of RouteBuilder" LAST EDITED ON Jan-24-02 AT 10:50 PM (EST)DKlemm:
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> but
>your newness to this site
>suggest you may have opened
>your mouth before engaging your
>brain. Look at Lawrence's
>post count, he's been here
>since the very early days,
>as have I. Well for your infomation, the post count does mean jack ....
I to was around "since the very early days" however i had to change ISP's and I forgot my old password ... so I had to start all over with a new name. So therefore, I suggest you may have opened your mouth before engaging your brain.
Also Im disputing anything Lawrence said, I've learned a lot of them lesson early on as well, I was just saying that he needs chill out a little a bit everytime someone bashes microsoft or MSTS or has a dream about how to make this a better or easier program.
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LawrenceKellie (1159 posts)
Jan-24-02, 10:44 PM (EST) 14. "RE: I dream of RouteBuilder" Incredible. Absolutely incredible. The wit! The humor. The repartee is beyond anything I could possibly dream of.::clap, clap, clap::Well done! Well done!Lawrenceps: Oh, nice try at making yourself a long-time poster. I have you a 1.3 out of a possible 10. Of course, if you combine that with your rapier like wit, it climbs to a 0.8! Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
cnwforever (3 posts)
Jan-24-02, 10:56 PM (EST) 15. "RE: I dream of RouteBuilder" >Incredible. Absolutely incredible. The
>wit! The humor.
>The repartee is beyond anything
>I could possibly dream of.
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>::clap, clap, clap::
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>Well done! Well done!
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>Lawrence
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>ps: Oh, nice try at making
>yourself a long-time poster.
>I have you a 1.3
>out of a possible 10.
> Of course, if you
>combine that with your rapier
>like wit, it climbs to
>a 0.8! Beleve what you well Lawrence ..... But tell me something, if you change your ISP, then your email address changes also. So how can you login and click on the link that will send me my password, when that email address is no long there. hmmmmmmm I guess I could try and hack in huh? Well old wise one if you have the answer to this please let me know! Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
LawrenceKellie (1159 posts)
Jan-25-02, 11:14 AM (EST) 28. "RE: I dream of RouteBuilder" Since the "wisdom" has already been expressed by others, I'll just repeat it.Write to Nels. Others have. I have. What's the problem.But, that precludes that you already have an account.Lawrence Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
rgarber (1086 posts)
Jan-24-02, 11:03 PM (EST) 16. "RE: I dream of RouteBuilder" Sheesh!Look you all, Lawrence said absolutely the correct thing to what essentially what some of you are putting on paper incorrectly. What you are asking for in a new route editor is incorrect. What you mean to say, is you want a more user-friendly interface and to have it better idiot-proofed. Changing the editor out for a new one won't make your job any easier because the building blocks of route building will still be the same. So, Lawrence is right in everything he said when he spelled out the best way to get along with the editor as it is. In fact, there wasn't one thing I could or would add to it. If you want to change out the Route Editor like you are asking, then you're asking Kuju to redesign the sim from ground up. I don't think they're going to do that and I don't think that's what you want. Redesigning the Interface to make it more accomodating is a perfectly legitite request and even makes better sense when worded that way.The second part of this is the bug issues. Solving the bug issues is something Jak can't help you with unless he's got the inside track on how Kuju did everything. You'll have to wait until Kuju issues the 2nd version of MSTS if not a patch.Just wandering in and out of threads this evening while taking a break from route building, I came across this thread and it was fine, up to and including LK's first post. It was the response after his that this thread went 'downhill.' Oh, and one last thing CNWforever... Nels will give you your previous password if you ask for it. Rich Garber Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
NickF (663 posts)
Jan-24-02, 11:58 PM (EST) 17. "RE: I dream of RouteBuilder" Rich,I agree with you, but I'd like to see a better route editor myself. With features like the ability to drag a stretch of track to change the length, curvature, etc., to custom-build switches at any desired configuration, and so forth. The reality is that it ain't gonna happen due to the limitations of the underlying code. Oh well, we can still dream... My current dream is to hit PowerBall. That's about as realistic as getting that new route editor. Maybe with MSTS v 5.0.Nick Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
nw_fan (198 posts)
Jan-25-02, 00:21 AM (EST) 18. "RE: I dream of RouteBuilder" LAST EDITED ON Jan-25-02 AT 00:21 AM (EST)If I hit Powerball, I'll start on my 1:1 scale railroad. Any of you guys would be welcome to join my railroad if you like.Mike
Norfolk & Western
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DKlemm (1050 posts)
Jan-25-02, 10:06 AM (EST) 26. "RE: I dream of RouteBuilder" I'll be there!!!!!!!!!!!!! : )In fact the UP (yuck!) is hiring in the Twin Cities and I told my wife I was thinking about a career change! Of course it may just be a mid life crisis.David Klemm
Illinois Central Route
Illinois and St Louis Divisions
Ver 0.6 uploaded
Working on Decatur IL
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blvdbill (53 posts)
Jan-25-02, 01:18 AM (EST) 19. "RE: I dream of RouteBuilder" LAST EDITED ON Jan-25-02 AT 01:19 AM (EST)Rich, Thanks for that advice, but I sent email to nels (using the link at the bottom: nels@train-sim.com) however my email was returned undelivered. So out of desperation I crated this "new name", but was unaware that some people on this board rely on the "post count". Oh well! So Rich if you by chance know of another email addy for nels I would greatly appreciate it. I'll also try that address again. That way I can get my old name back and not be labeled a newbie. Thanks again Rich.Btw, Lawrence & DKlemm: the name I used before I was Blvdbill …. In case you were wonderingBill aka cnwforever aka Blvdbill Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
rgarber (1086 posts)
Jan-25-02, 09:54 AM (EST) 24. "RE: I dream of RouteBuilder" Oh yeah... I remember you! Well welcome back there buddy! Looks like you got the nick back. Nels come through?I was only talking from experience. My original nick was RagMop and between changing my nick to rgarber and forgetting my password a few times I bugged Nels quite a bit!Rich Garber Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
blvdbill (53 posts)
Jan-25-02, 04:20 PM (EST) 33. "Thanks Again Rich for all your help" >Oh yeah... I remember you! Well
>welcome back there buddy!
>Looks like you got the
>nick back. Nels come through?
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>
>I was only talking from experience.
>My original nick was RagMop
>and between changing my nick
>to rgarber and forgetting my
>password a few times I
>bugged Nels quite a bit! Hey Rich …. It’s good to be back with the old nickname. In fact I remember seeing ur old name around also …. ( I think I even have a few of your post bookmark) Actually what happened was last night at work I was going to reply to your post but my netscape froze up, so I fired up IE … saw I was already logged in, fired off a post. But I thought it was under my “new name” (cnwforever). Well as good old Murphy's Law goes, sent email to nel again after work, checked this morning to see if you replied to my post, saw my old name (blvdbill)…. Hmmmm … after about six cups of coffee, it dawns on me that I was logged in as Blvdbill on IE …. Heck if knew that I could have just changed my password. Then yep … nel sends me my password (for some strange reason the email address worked this time). Oh well …. Im back under the old name Blvdbill … but I sorta liked that new too. Anyway, thanks again Rich for all your help …. Take care buddy Blvdbill
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LawrenceKellie (1159 posts)
Jan-25-02, 11:26 AM (EST) 30. "RE: I dream of RouteBuilder" No, I don't "rely on 'post count.'"My point about bring up his post count was simply this, he implied by his message that he had been here a long time, had read more than this one post of mine, and therefore could make a legitimate conclusion--though if you do a random sampling of my posts, I don't think you can come to his conclusion.And whenever anyone comes up with that sort of blasting at may, my first action is to determine the legitimacy of what has been written, that is, *has* he been here long enough to have read and digested many of my posts?With "0" posts listed, that is very unlikely. Hence, I brought that point out.If it had of been you, with your 50 posts (as it says) who posted that, I probably would not even have mentioned the number of posts. But 0?Lawrence Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
DKlemm (1050 posts)
Jan-25-02, 10:08 AM (EST) 27. "RE: I dream of RouteBuilder" Ya so, you changed ISP. What does that have to do with your sign on here, nothing, abosolutely nothing.!!!!!!!!!!! I changed my ISP 2 months ago and still have the same sign on. All I did was email Nels and ask him to change the email address in my profile. So back at you, seems like you missed the thinking thing again before speaking. Or maybe you are new to PC's and that is fine.David Klemm
Illinois Central Route
Illinois and St Louis Divisions
Ver 0.6 uploaded
Working on Decatur IL
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beluga (121 posts)
Jan-25-02, 07:06 AM (EST) 21. "RE: I dream of RouteBuilder" I am a K-8 computer teacher and a Network Administrator for my school complex. After spending all day with children and clueless computer using adults, I greatly appreciate LawrenceKellie's wonderful writing and insight. The route editor is a powerful tool. If it was not a powerful tool the file download section would be crammed with low grade, 700 meg routes!



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gxm149 (61 posts)
Jan-25-02, 09:29 AM (EST) 23. "RE: I dream of RouteBuilder" I personally think the Route Editor is a great tool. Flight Simulator doesn't come with anything that can do what the Route Editor does. And if anyone can remember back to Flightsim 4 when the program did come with a scenery editor, it wasn't nearly as good as the Route Editor that we have with Train Simulator. While I would have preferred and editor that worked in a manner similar to the one in Railroad Tycoon II, the editor that Microsoft gave us is a powerful tool. If you take the time to learn how to use it you can create pretty much whatever you want. The only real two problems I have with the current Route Editor is that Microsoft didn't give us access to all of the objects that they used in their routes in the Route Editor and that there is no way to directly use DEM data in the Geometry extractor that shipped with the program. I've heard that someone is working on creating a new ref file to include all the objects which will solve the one problem. As far as finding a way to use DEM data directly in the Route Geometry Extractor, I think only Microsoft will be able to fix that with a patch. But overall the program is great. You just need to be willing to invest the time to do it. Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
rgarber (1086 posts)
Jan-25-02, 09:59 AM (EST) 25. "RE: I dream of RouteBuilder" You must be talking about Jim Ward's All_objects file.. or is it Almost_All_Objects... hard to keep up with that fella. The one he has out there now is up to the job. I've been using it since he first started putting out the different versions and its very stabile. Go ahead and use it if you haven't started using it yet. Piece of cake!Rich Garber Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
gxm149 (61 posts)
Jan-25-02, 12:31 PM (EST) 31. "RE: I dream of RouteBuilder" Oh believe me, I am using. That file is a lifesaver. From what I hear though there are some objects yet which are not included in it. From what I understand it's a work in progress. I love the file though and he has done a great job with it. Thanks. Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
roycru (8 posts)
Jan-25-02, 03:46 PM (EST) 32. "RE: I dream of RouteBuilder" I'm a newbie.
I loaded MSTS on New Years Day
Bought the Sybex guide a few days later
Found this site!!
Visit Larwance Kellie's site and followed DEM instructions last week
Download Route Building Guide from Trainsimularworld.com earlier this week. If you intend to build a route SPEND $15.00 AND DOWNLOAD THIS GUIDE.The problem with RE out of the box is documentation. I'm doing fine. Yes, some things don't work as I would like. I'm having FUN and I'm NOT pulling my hair out. No I am NOT a programer.The guides are a start. Look for innovative methods. Ask questions.
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LawrenceKellie (1159 posts)
Jan-25-02, 04:27 PM (EST) 34. "RE: I dream of RouteBuilder" Good for you! Keep up the good work. Look forward to seeing what you are creating at some time.Lawrence Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
landnrailroader (138 posts)
Jan-25-02, 07:38 PM (EST) 35. "RE: I dream of RouteBuilder" After usuing RE for some three months now, I have concluded that RE, in and of itself, provided you use a good PC, with lots of memory, is not so bad.What is bad, though, is that if something does occur, which glitches up your data, recovery is at best hit-or-miss, usually miss, making VERY FREQUENT backups ESSENTIAL. Even so, it is a little disconcerting to work for 3 or 4 hours, and then lose it and have to fall back to the last full backup. So, as far as I am concerned, the weak link is the OLE database system. Mess up anything, and it is all messed up, and as even MS admitted, OLE was never intended to handle the massive amount of data required for a train simulation.Some utilities that would recovered botched databases, quickly, easily, and correctly most of the time would be more useful at this point than another route editor.J. H. Sullivan, P.E. Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
LawrenceKellie (1159 posts)
Jan-25-02, 08:47 PM (EST) 36. "RE: I dream of RouteBuilder" Interesting point on what is needed.Lawrence Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

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