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Macster (342 posts)
Jan-22-02, 11:09 PM (EST) "Grades on Whitefish Route....need serious Fixing...." LAST EDITED ON Jan-22-02 AT 11:11 PM (EST)Well....I'm slowly getting fed up with the grades on the Whitefish route...as there is NO 6% grades anywhere near this area. The maximum grade is 1.1% (Eastboound) and 1.0% Westbound. Now, I'm not trying to be picky...but you can't expect to run a train on this route without stalling or having a runaway...breaking a coupler At a siding...with a train waiting there (that poor crew...hope they pulled through when that autorack slammed into the train.....) This is the only problem that I see with the route, and I give you great honors for your time. I'd be willing to help you get any kind of information that I can on this route if you would like to release a Version 2.Chuck..this is a very very nice route, but please, please work on the grades on this route, It would be great to maintain 60mph. Check out the new BNSF timetable (Northwest Division) for the grade profiles, they give you the siding name, location, altitude, current milepost of grade/location, crossover speed, Detectors, Feet of Sidings, grade percentages, and more. It is very useful.Or, you can have the "Grade Specialist" (Bob and PaulD) work on it if you don't mind Thanks alot for the route, hope to see others!! (Powder River Basin maybe )Brian E. Bundridge
Seattle, Washington
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Subject Author Message Date ID RE: Grades on Whitefish Route....ne... Macster Jan-24-02 1 RE: Grades on Whitefish Route....ne... Chuck Jan-24-02 2 RE: Grades on Whitefish Route....ne... Macster Jan-24-02 3 RE: Grades on Whitefish Route....ne... Chuck Jan-24-02 4 RE: Grades on Whitefish Route....ne... Macster Jan-24-02 5 RE: Grades on Whitefish Route....ne... Chuck Jan-24-02 6 RE: Grades on Whitefish Route....ne... Macster Jan-24-02 7 RE: Grades on Whitefish Route....ne... JimStrenk Jan-26-02 13 RE: Grades on Whitefish Route....ne... timken Jan-26-02 15 RE: Grades on Whitefish Route....ne... Hobart Jan-24-02 8 RE: Grades on Whitefish Route....ne... Macster Jan-24-02 9 RE: Grades on Whitefish Route....ne... funnelfan Jan-25-02 10 RE: Grades on Whitefish Route....ne... Motley24Crue2 Jan-25-02 11 RE: Grades on Whitefish Route....ne... Macster Jan-25-02 12 RE: Grades on Whitefish Route....ne... JimStrenk Jan-26-02 14

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Macster (342 posts)
Jan-24-02, 02:39 AM (EST) 1. "RE: Grades on Whitefish Route....need serious Fixing...." Back to the top for you (hehe, and watch it go back down) Brian E. Bundridge
Seattle, Washington
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Chuck (63 posts)
Jan-24-02, 10:14 AM (EST) 2. "RE: Grades on Whitefish Route....need serious Fixing...." I am working on Seattle to -120 longitude(near Cashmere, WA) now. I believe that you live in Seattle. The cascades, it turns out, are a lot more interesting than the rockies. I get all my info from topographical maps. I make up the siding names. To me this is just theater. You guys can do whatever with the routes. Just give me credit as a co-author.
Chuck Dollins
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Macster (342 posts)
Jan-24-02, 02:14 PM (EST) 3. "RE: Grades on Whitefish Route....need serious Fixing...." hey Chuck, Great that you are working on that route!!! I'd love to do the Seattle-Wenatchee (to Alcoa Steel) but the RE tends to lock up...so I'm stuck until I decide to get some more DDR Ram... (upgrading to 768MB DDR SDRAM)With the new BNSF timetables (If your doing Seattle-Cashmere) You'll only need the Northwest Division. I was really surprised that the timetables include the grade profiles, I just wish they included the grade crossings...which would make placing roads alot more prototypical. If you need any pics of Interbay, I have a TON I could send you. Let me know, but I'll need them back I hope you didn't assume that post as an attack to you...I only wanted to get it fixed But since you'll let the others work on it...I'll see what I can do to it... Keep the Flame Within'Brian E. Bundridge
Seattle, Washington
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Chuck (63 posts)
Jan-24-02, 02:20 PM (EST) 4. "RE: Grades on Whitefish Route....need serious Fixing...." You should upgrade if you can swing it money wise. I have all the road and grade infor from the topo maps. Siding names I just pick up from the towns nearby. I have to tell people though that this route editing or building is just about the most complex thing I have ever done, and I have a Ph.D. in engineering. The lack of manuals is the problem. But this forum has all the answers.
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Macster (342 posts)
Jan-24-02, 02:28 PM (EST) 5. "RE: Grades on Whitefish Route....need serious Fixing...." Where do you get your topo maps from?Brian E. Bundridge
Seattle, Washington
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Chuck (63 posts)
Jan-24-02, 04:39 PM (EST) 6. "RE: Grades on Whitefish Route....need serious Fixing...." http://www.topozone.com/
Will do the job for you.
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Macster (342 posts)
Jan-24-02, 06:13 PM (EST) 7. "RE: Grades on Whitefish Route....need serious Fixing...." Thanks...I tried dinking around the editor...locked up around 3 minutes into it (sigh)Yup...I need more memory...hehehe.Brian E. Bundridge
Seattle, Washington
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JimStrenk (176 posts)
Jan-26-02, 02:49 AM (EST) 13. "RE: Grades on Whitefish Route....need serious Fixing...." >http://www.topozone.com/
>Will do the job for you.
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>Chuck
Unless downloading 24K topo maps at this site are free, you might look into downloading the same maps from <www.gisdatadepot.com>.You're looking for 24K DRG (Digital Raster Graphics) maps, indexed by state, then county. It's not a fast download, but their cheap, as in FREE!
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timken (236 posts)
Jan-26-02, 08:16 AM (EST) 15. "RE: Grades on Whitefish Route....need serious Fixing...." Terraserver also has USGS topo maps, you can go back and forth from aerial photo to topo too. I have the Topo USA also, and although handy, it is much less accurate then the USGS maps, showing fewer sidings, poor placement relationships between roads and RR. I am presently re-doing a section of my branch line, originally working from Topo USA, as too many things are off.Steve Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
Hobart (149 posts)
Jan-24-02, 09:37 PM (EST) 8. "RE: Grades on Whitefish Route....need serious Fixing...." Marias Pass 3 has the grades reworked, I think you can get it from the library site but I'm not positive. Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
Macster (342 posts)
Jan-24-02, 10:52 PM (EST) 9. "RE: Grades on Whitefish Route....need serious Fixing...." I have Marias 3, this route is Whitefish, MT to Sandpoint, IDBrian E. Bundridge
Seattle, Washington
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funnelfan (68 posts)
Jan-25-02, 06:00 AM (EST) 10. "RE: Grades on Whitefish Route....need serious Fixing...." Chuck, get yourself Delorme's Topo USA program, this will help out quite a bit. I've been using it with great success. You should also go to BNSF website and click on the employees tab. search around until you get to where you can download the Timetables online in PDF format, that will save you a lot of time too. Right now I'm waiting for the next version of DEMEX to come out with the distant mountain options, then I will add that to my current route as well as the rest of the funnel. Also, I'll probably steal your tiles from your Whitefish to Sandpoint route and add them to the end of my route, then I'll do the track all the way back to Whitefish including the UP tracks. But that's all way off in the future. I'm taking a different approch to route building, in that I'm doing exact trackwork and custom buildings and bridges. Needless to say my way takes a lot longer. But the end product will be better than anything out there, including the routes that came with the game.Ted Curphey
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Motley24Crue2 (323 posts)
Jan-25-02, 10:57 AM (EST) 11. "RE: Grades on Whitefish Route....need serious Fixing...." Memory??? im upgrading my Pentium III 500 to a Pentium III 850 and the Ram from 256mb to 384mb (For the time being, but soon im building my own Built on an Intel VC-820 Main board with a Pentium III 1ghz and 512, Rambus Memory and all the other Goodies thrown in Sound good? any advice on this (Knowing this is a Train Sim Forum) but the question is mainly for the Reliability of Train Sim on the system as well as othersBob... Philly, Pa Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
Macster (342 posts)
Jan-25-02, 03:09 PM (EST) 12. "RE: Grades on Whitefish Route....need serious Fixing...." LAST EDITED ON Jan-25-02 AT 03:10 PM (EST)Well Ted, I'm guessing your Cheney-Whitefish route will be completed around June, 2003 hehehehehehehehe. Where do you pick up that Topo thing you was talking about there Ted? Would Barnes and Noble have it?Memory, that sickening word. I'm going to order some Cruical Memory sometime soon...got a tad more to save up before than. But, I am getting closer!!! Brian E. Bundridge
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JimStrenk (176 posts)
Jan-26-02, 02:54 AM (EST) 14. "RE: Grades on Whitefish Route....need serious Fixing...." >Memory??? im upgrading my Pentium III
>500 to a Pentium III
>850 and the Ram from
>256mb to 384mb (For the
>time being, but soon im
>building my own
>
>Built on an Intel VC-820 Main
>board with a Pentium III
>1ghz and 512, Rambus Memory
>and all the other Goodies
>thrown in
>
>Sound good? any advice on this
>(Knowing this is a Train
>Sim Forum) but the question
>is mainly for the Reliability
>of Train Sim on the
>system as well as others
>
>
>Bob... Philly, Pa Check out the Intel web site. They just released a new processor and chipset for the Pentium 4 that will allow 2.2 GHz operation and non-RAMBUS memory.
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