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Jerzy (6 posts)
Dec-02-01, 04:52 AM (EST) "Return loops" G'day,As MSTS does not allow for circular routes, what is considered to be the best way of turning a train around in the sim? Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
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Subject Author Message Date ID RE: Return loops TrainFreak Dec-02-01 1 RE: Return loops Snake999 Dec-11-01 15 RE: Return loops Andre Dec-02-01 2 RE: Return loops Hawk Dec-02-01 3 RE: Return loops Euston Dec-02-01 4 RE: Return loops NickF Dec-02-01 5 RE: Return loops Bodgeous Dec-02-01 6 RE: Return loops stevo4406 Dec-04-01 7 RE: Return loops sniper297 Dec-04-01 8 RE: Return loops KngtRider Dec-05-01 9 RE: Return loops stevo4406 Dec-07-01 10 RE: Return loops Motley24Crue2 Dec-09-01 13 RE: Return loops beadyboy Dec-08-01 11 RE: Return loops stevo4406 Dec-08-01 12 RE: Return loops beadyboy Dec-10-01 14 RE: Return loops LocoRo Dec-15-01 16 RE: Return loops stevo4406 Dec-16-01 17

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TrainFreak (134 posts)
Dec-02-01, 07:19 AM (EST) 1. "RE: Return loops" Wyes..
Or making a working turntable..
Or sticking to "one-way" activities and hope for an improvement in a future version...
Or checking out TrainZ which apparently, according to what some people have said, has very simplified operations - i.e. few or noe signals among other things - so possiby they have found a way to make circular routes as well? Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
Snake999 (5 posts)
Dec-11-01, 04:36 AM (EST) 15. "RE: Return loops" >Wyes..
>Or checking out TrainZ which apparently,
>according to what some people
>have said, has very simplified
>operations - i.e. few or
>noe signals among other things
>- so possiby they have
>found a way to make
>circular routes as well?
Actually you can make any track configuration in Trainz that you desire, and it accepts it unlike other products But in Trainz the easiest way to turn the train around is by using one of the WORKING turntables that are included with the game.
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Andre (46 posts)
Dec-02-01, 07:23 AM (EST) 2. "RE: Return loops" Well 2 ways:
a. Loop
b. WyeThese are well documented in this forum. I do not know the exact threads but if you use the search function you find a lot of data about them.André Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
Hawk (252 posts)
Dec-02-01, 07:41 AM (EST) 3. "RE: Return loops" LAST EDITED ON Dec-02-01 AT 07:45 AM (EST)This link shows a screenshot of a Wye, in case your not familiar with them.
http://www.train-sim.com/dcforum/DCForumID7/582.htmlIn that post, above the screenshot, I stated that a Wye was the only way. That is incorrect, as stated in the above post. A reverse loop will give you the ability, as well, but in my experiance, a Wye is easier to build.Hawk"And it comes to be, that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way." Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
Euston (623 posts)
Dec-02-01, 07:56 AM (EST) 4. "RE: Return loops" Wyes usually need dynamic track knowledge - and can be hard to make...Ask if you need any assistance.

http://clix.to/trainsim Lanserat East RR - 6% complete see images on my website. Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
NickF (526 posts)
Dec-02-01, 09:39 AM (EST) 5. "RE: Return loops" I've reverse engineered a couple of wyes based on those in the Marias Pass route, and the only dynamic track I needed was a straight section to fill in the straight leg. No curve in it was needed. Otherwise I just used left and right 10degree switches and a bunch of matching endpoint pieces, along with the wye switch itself. Really easy to do. Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
Bodgeous (66 posts)
Dec-02-01, 05:12 PM (EST) 6. "RE: Return loops" You can make a compact wye requiring no dynamic track at all. Just use three wye switches all connected with 10 degree matching curved track. Use ONLY left or right, it doesn't matter, but not both. Bill Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
stevo4406 (22 posts)
Dec-04-01, 07:42 PM (EST) 7. "RE: Return loops" I need help can you walk me through the hole procees cuz i am missing a set some where. Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
sniper297 (1074 posts)
Dec-04-01, 08:49 PM (EST) 8. "RE: Return loops" LAST EDITED ON Dec-04-01 AT 09:22 PM (EST)Here's a link to one way to make a wye without dynamic track;http://www.train-sim.com/dcforum/DCForumID6/2532.htmlAnd here's one to make a wye with dynamic track;http://www.train-sim.com/dcforum/DCForumID6/1877.htmlIf all else fails, you could download a route that already has a lot of wyes. Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
KngtRider (148 posts)
Dec-05-01, 00:08 AM (EST) 9. "RE: Return loops" make a baloon loop at each end~~~~~~~you CAN make them much much smaller than that, i have done many times, just remeber if you make a 'dogbone' style layour put a end branch on each end of the loops otherwise ms thinks its a circular layoutnb: my routelooks crazier in route editor, just needs intermodal loader and the port/unloader shapes which i dont have********************************
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stevo4406 (22 posts)
Dec-07-01, 09:39 PM (EST) 10. "RE: Return loops" When I make the wye the track is a couple of inches off and i can't even it up now what?????? Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
Motley24Crue2 (209 posts)
Dec-09-01, 02:33 PM (EST) 13. "RE: Return loops" Actually Euston i have made Several Wheys... and no need for Dynamic track, use the 10endpntlft, rgt (The ones you use when you use the 10pntrgt, lft switches. and it works everytime.
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beadyboy (61 posts)
Dec-08-01, 06:22 PM (EST) 11. "RE: Return loops" You can make a loop if you include a siding into it. Msts does not support plain round loops on their own but you can trick it if you include 2 points and a siding. Sometimes you don't even need the siding, just the points. Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
stevo4406 (22 posts)
Dec-08-01, 09:30 PM (EST) 12. "RE: Return loops" Huh????? Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
beadyboy (61 posts)
Dec-10-01, 11:39 PM (EST) 14. "RE: Return loops" Here is a loop with a point. You don't even need the siding, just one point (switch).The red line indicates the end of a switch. The only blue line here is at the turnoff end of the switch, not in the loop. Can't make it any simpler. MSTS 'does' support circular routes, you just have to get smart with it and let it know who's the boss Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
LocoRo (305 posts)
Dec-15-01, 06:05 PM (EST) 16. "RE: Return loops" Thanks beadyboy for your answer !! You just helped me a lot ! Indeed with the siding it works Greetings Roland Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
stevo4406 (22 posts)
Dec-16-01, 06:14 PM (EST) 17. "RE: Return loops" Thanks a million. I just about threw my cp out threw window last night working on this. Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

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