Modelling N&W Class A 1218 Steam Locomotive

I am having troulbe and am wondering if anyone can help me. I have modding experience in other games (mainly Command and Conquer Generals), but I am having problems with MSTS. I have built a model of a N&W Locomotive, and have copied the cab view and sound folders from the Scotsman to a 1218 folder. I have converted my model to a .s file, and have the .ace texture (512x512), and the .sd file, but I am having problems with the .eng file. I get some sort of error message when the game starts up, and my locomotive isn't in the locomotive menu. I have tried everything I know how to do, and have worked for hours and still I don't have this cursed thing in the game. I have even resorted to just creating a box and trying to stick it in the game, still the same error with the .eng. If there is anyone who has a good tutorial or some sort of step by step instructions to importing into MSTS please let me know. Although I have already looked at 2 or 3 tutorials with absolutely NO success, maybe someone has some idea of what I am doing wrong. I am on the verge of taking my version of MSTS outside and burning it. PLEASE HELP! BTW, I am attaching a picture of the locomotive if anyone wants to look at it.

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RE: Modelling N&W Class A 1218 Steam Locomotive, NW 1218, Nov-09-04, 04:28 PM, (1) RE: Modelling N&W Class A 1218 Steam Locomotive, funnelfan, Nov-09-04, 04:35 PM, (2) RE: Modelling N&W Class A 1218 Steam Locomotive, blackhawk2000, Nov-09-04, 04:48 PM, (3) RE: Modelling N&W Class A 1218 Steam Locomotive, blackhawk2000, Nov-09-04, 04:50 PM, (4) RE: Modelling N&W Class A 1218 Steam Locomotive, blackhawk2000, Nov-09-04, 10:25 PM, (11) RE: Modelling N&W Class A 1218 Steam Locomotive, baldwin, Nov-09-04, 05:03 PM, (5) RE: Modelling N&W Class A 1218 Steam Locomotive, henry3, Nov-09-04, 05:31 PM, (6) RE: Modelling N&W Class A 1218 Steam Locomotive, blackhawk2000, Nov-09-04, 07:00 PM, (7) RE: Modelling N&W Class A 1218 Steam Locomotive, Jonatan, Nov-09-04, 07:50 PM, (8) RE: Modelling N&W Class A 1218 Steam Locomotive, Derby415, Nov-09-04, 08:58 PM, (9) RE: Modelling N&W Class A 1218 Steam Locomotive, century242, Nov-09-04, 10:23 PM, (10) RE: Modelling N&W Class A 1218 Steam Locomotive, blackhawk2000, Nov-09-04, 10:28 PM, (12) RE: Modelling N&W Class A 1218 Steam Locomotive, blackhawk2000, Nov-09-04, 10:34 PM, (13) RE: Modelling N&W Class A 1218 Steam Locomotive, runaway_b_unit, Nov-09-04, 11:18 PM, (14) RE: Modelling N&W Class A 1218 Steam Locomotive, Derby415, Nov-10-04, 08:36 AM, (15) RE: Modelling N&W Class A 1218 Steam Locomotive, NS4Life, Nov-10-04, 10:28 AM, (16) RE: Modelling N&W Class A 1218 Steam Locomotive, scottb613, Nov-10-04, 12:16 PM, (17) RE: Modelling N&W Class A 1218 Steam Locomotive, NW 1218, Nov-10-04, 05:02 PM, (18) RE: Modelling N&W Class A 1218 Steam Locomotive, century242, Nov-10-04, 06:10 PM, (21) RE: Modelling N&W Class A 1218 Steam Locomotive, mjs2101, Nov-10-04, 07:20 PM, (22) RE: Modelling N&W Class A 1218 Steam Locomotive, scottb613, Nov-10-04, 11:07 PM, (23) RE: Modelling N&W Class A 1218 Steam Locomotive, blackhawk2000, Nov-11-04, 12:23 PM, (26) RE: Modelling N&W Class A 1218 Steam Locomotive, NS4Life, Nov-11-04, 01:14 PM, (27) RE: Modelling N&W Class A 1218 Steam Locomotive, baldwin, Nov-11-04, 04:47 PM, (30) RE: Modelling N&W Class A 1218 Steam Locomotive, century242, Nov-10-04, 06:09 PM, (20) RE: Modelling N&W Class A 1218 Steam Locomotive, blackhawk2000, Nov-11-04, 12:14 PM, (25) RE: Modelling N&W Class A 1218 Steam Locomotive, scottb613, Nov-11-04, 01:20 PM, (28) RE: Modelling N&W Class A 1218 Steam Locomotive, jay611, Nov-10-04, 05:16 PM, (19) RE: Modelling N&W Class A 1218 Steam Locomotive, Derby415, Nov-10-04, 11:15 PM, (24) RE: Modelling N&W Class A 1218 Steam Locomotive, century242, Nov-11-04, 03:41 PM, (29) RE: Modelling N&W Class A 1218 Steam Locomotive, Derby415, Nov-11-04, 07:45 PM, (31) RE: Modelling N&W Class A 1218 Steam Locomotive, century242, Nov-11-04, 09:56 PM, (32) RE: Modelling N&W Class A 1218 Steam Locomotive, Derby415, Nov-12-04, 03:58 PM, (45) RE: Modelling N&W Class A 1218 Steam Locomotive, blackhawk2000, Nov-12-04, 01:03 AM, (33) RE: Modelling N&W Class A 1218 Steam Locomotive, NorthShore_364, Nov-12-04, 08:27 AM, (34) RE: Modelling N&W Class A 1218 Steam Locomotive, scottb613, Nov-12-04, 09:11 AM, (35) RE: Modelling N&W Class A 1218 Steam Locomotive, blackhawk2000, Nov-12-04, 10:42 AM, (36) RE: Modelling N&W Class A 1218 Steam Locomotive, NorthShore_364, Nov-12-04, 11:21 AM, (37) RE: Modelling N&W Class A 1218 Steam Locomotive, scottb613, Nov-12-04, 11:31 AM, (38) RE: Modelling N&W Class A 1218 Steam Locomotive, blackhawk2000, Nov-12-04, 11:40 AM, (39) RE: Modelling N&W Class A 1218 Steam Locomotive, scottb613, Nov-12-04, 11:50 AM, (40) RE: Modelling N&W Class A 1218 Steam Locomotive, Jonatan, Nov-12-04, 11:51 AM, (41) 1218 now works., NorthShore_364, Nov-12-04, 12:32 PM, (42) RE: 1218 now works., scottb613, Nov-12-04, 01:46 PM, (43) RE: 1218 now works., NorthShore_364, Nov-12-04, 02:20 PM, (44) RE: 1218 now works., blackhawk2000, Nov-13-04, 01:02 AM, (46) RE: 1218 now works., blackhawk2000, Nov-13-04, 10:24 AM, (47) RE: 1218 now works., NW 1218, Nov-13-04, 11:52 AM, (48) RE: 1218 now works., jay611, Nov-13-04, 02:31 PM, (49) RE: 1218 now works., blackhawk2000, Nov-14-04, 09:57 AM, (50) RE: 1218 now works., jay611, Nov-14-04, 12:37 PM, (51) RE: 1218 now works., mjs2101, Nov-15-04, 03:11 PM, (52)

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HOLY ****!!!!!!!!!!! OMG! It's bueatiful! I'm sorry that i can't help with your problem but that IS BUEATIFUL!

John Means
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Copy your .eng file onto a post here so we can take a look at it.Ted Curphey
funnelfan@icehouse.net

Railfanning the Northwest
http://www.icehouse.net/funnelfan/

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here is a copy of the .eng file. It is basically taken straight from the scotsman .eng file, so I know that a lot of the values and stats and everything don't match up with the 1218, but my goal is to simply get the locomotive in the game, THEN I will be able to go in and change around all the measurements and everything.

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Well, sorry the last post didnt' work right, here is the .eng file. It's the only way I could figure out how to do it
SIMISA@@@@@@@@@@JINX0D0t______Wagon ( 1218
comment( Class A1 )
Type ( Engine )
WagonShape ( 1218.s )
Size ( 3.123m 3.79m 13m )
CentreOfGravity ( 0m 1.7m 0m )
Centre ( 0m 0m 0m )
Mass ( 96.25t )
InertiaTensor ( Box(3.1m 3.9m 13.5m) )
Coupling (
Type ( Chain )
Spring (
Stiffness ( 1e6N/m 2e6N/m )
Damping ( 1e6N/m 1e6N/m )
Break ( 3.2e6N 3.2e6N )
r0 ( 20cm 40cm )
)
)

Adheasion ( 0.15 0.3 2 0.5 )
DerailRailHeight ( 4cm )
DerailRailForce ( 240kN )
DerailBufferForce ( 400kN )
WheelRadius ( 0.4825m )
NumWheels ( 1 )
Friction (
50N/m/s 1 -1mph 0 1
5.1N/rad/s 1 -1rad/s 0 1
)

BrakeEquipmentType( "Vacuum_brake, Handbrake, Auxilary_reservoir" )
BrakeSystemType( "Vacuum_single_pipe" )
MaxBrakeForce( 90kN ) MaxHandbrakeForce( 80kN )
NumberOfHandbrakeLeverSteps( 100 )

MaxReleaseRate( 10 )
MaxApplicationRate( 10 )
MaxAuxilaryChargingRate( 10 )
BrakeCylinderPressureForMaxBrakeBrakeForce( 21 )

Sound ( "FScotEng.sms" )

Lights ( 3
Light (
comment( Sphere of light )
Type ( 1 )
Conditions (
Headlight ( 3 )
Unit ( 2 )
)
Cycle ( 0 )
FadeIn ( 0.5 )
FadeOut ( 0.5 )
States ( 1
State (
Duration ( 0.0 )
LightColour ( 20ffffff )
Position ( 0 2.5 15 )
Transition ( 0 )
Radius ( 80.0 )
Angle ( 13.0 )

)
)
)
Light (
comment( Head light right dim )
Type ( 0 )
Conditions (
Headlight ( 3 )
Unit ( 2 )
)
FadeIn ( 0.5 )
FadeOut ( 0.5 )
Cycle ( 0 )
States ( 1
State (
Duration ( 0.0 )
LightColour ( 99ffffff )
Position ( -1.29334 1.5151 6.27799 )
Azimuth ( 0.0 -5.0 5.0 )
Transition ( 0 )
Radius ( 0.4 )
Elevation ( -10 -10 -10 )
)
)
)
Light (
comment( Head light left dim )
Type ( 0 )
Conditions (
Headlight ( 3 )
Unit ( 2 )
)
FadeIn ( 0.5 )
FadeOut ( 0.5 )
Cycle ( 0 )
States ( 1
State (
Duration ( 0.0 )
LightColour ( 99ffffff )
Position ( 1.29346 1.5151 6.27799 )
Azimuth ( 0.0 -5.0 5.0 )
Transition ( 0 )
Radius ( 0.4 )
Elevation ( -10 -10 -10 )
)
)
)
)
)
Engine ( 1218
comment( Class A1 )
Effects
(
SteamSpecialEffects
(
comment
(
the format of these little blocks is as follow: offset.x offset.y offset.z
normal.x normal.y normal.z
width in metres defining the offset from the shape pivot point
where steam / smoke should appear, the direction
it should go and the width of the nozzle
) WhistleFX
(
-0.66 3.59 -4.49
0 1 0
0.05
) SafetyValvesFX
(
0 3.885 -4.062
0 1 0
0.2
) StackFX
(
0 4.25 4.5
0 1 0
0.2
) DrainpipeFX
(
-1.5 1.258 -3.886
-0.4 -1 -0.2
0.05
) CylindersFX
(
-1.223 0.51 4.317
0 0 1
0.1
) CylindersFX
(
1.223 0.51 4.317
0 0 1
0.1
)
)
) Wagon ( 1218 )
IsTenderRequired( 0 )
Type ( Steam )
MaxPower ( 1500kW )
MaxForce ( 26927lbf )
MaxVelocity ( 130mph )
WheelRadius ( 0.975m )
Sanding ( 1e9mph )
NumWheels ( 6 )
BoilerLength ( 6.2m )
BoilerVolume ( "160*(ft^3)" )
BoilerEffectivity ( 1.26 )
DraftingEffect ( 0.8 )
BoilerResponsiveness ( 1.22 )
CoalBurnage ( 3.6lb/hp/h )
MaxBoilerOutput ( 32500lb/h )
NumCylinders ( 3 )
CylinderStroke ( 26in )
CylinderDiameter ( 19in )
CylinderVolume ( "12.8*(ft^3)" )
CylinderEffectivity ( 1 )
InjectorSizes ( 11mm 12mm )
ExhaustLimit ( 36000lb/h )
PrimingFactor ( 1 )
BlastExponent ( 0.9 )
MaxBoilerPressure ( 180psi )
MaxFireMass ( 2500lb )
IdealFireMass ( 1800lb )
MaxWaterMass ( 4000lb )
SafetyValvesSteamUsage ( 8000lb/h )
ShovelCoalMass ( 1lb )
SmokeCombustion ( 1 )
MaxTenderCoalMass ( 18000lb )
MaxTenderWaterMass ( 50000lb )
comment(0 for live steam, 1 for exhaust steam)
InjectorTypes( 0 1 )
SuperHeater ( 1.23 )
SteamSmokeUnitsPerPoundOfFuel( 1 )
SteamMaxSmokeUnitsReleaseRate( 10 )
MaxSteamHeatingPressure( 80 )
SafetyValvePressureDifference( 5 )
SteamGaugeGlassHeight( 10 ) BasicSteamUsage ( 1000lb/h )
BasicCoalUsage ( 850lb/h )
comment( min steam pressure, min water proportion, max water proportion )
InjectorLimits1 ( 50psi 0.6 1 )
InjectorLimits2 ( 60psi 0 1 )
CylinderCocksPowerEfficiency ( 0.9 )
SteamCylinderCocksOperation( Manual ) VacuumBrakesSmallEjectorPowerRating( 3.5 )
VacuumBrakesMinBoilerPressureMaxVacuum( 110 )
VacuumBrakesSmallEjectorUsageRate( 500 )
VacuumBrakesLargeEjectorUsageRate( 2400 )
VacuumBrakesHasVacuumPump( 0 ) TrainBrakesControllerMaxReleaseRate( 12 )
TrainBrakesControllerMinSystemPressure( 0 )
TrainBrakesControllerMaxSystemPressure( 21 ) EngineBrakesControllerHasProportionalBrake( 1 )
EngineBrakesProportionalBrakeLag( 0.9 ) BrakesEngineBrakeType( "Vacuum_single_pipe" )
BrakesTrainBrakeType( "Vacuum_single_pipe" )
BrakesEngineControllers( "Hand, Train" ) SteamSmallestCutoff( 8 )
NumberOfDamperSteps( 4 ) RegulatorValveType( Twin_port )
RegulatorSecondValveStartPosition( 0.5 )
RegulatorPilotValveExponent( 1.7 )
RegulatorSecondValveExponent( 1.7 )
RegulatorPilotValveFullOpenning( 0.3 )
RegulatorMainValveInitialOpenning( 0.4 ) SteamBlowerEffectExponent( 0.9 )
SteamBlowerEfficiencyExponent( 1.1 )
SteamBlowerMaxSteamUsageRate( 500 ) comment( lbs/h )
SteamBlowerMaxProportionOfBlastEffect( 0.15 ) SteamWaterScoopMinPickupSpeed( 25 ) comment( mph )
SteamWaterScoopMaxPickupSpeed( 60 ) comment( mph )
SteamWaterScoopResistance( 8500N )
comment( pounds per second. 6000gallons per minute max. )
SteamWaterScoopMaxPickupRate( 1000 )

SteamSmokeUnitsPerPoundOfFuel( 6.3 ) CabView ( scotsman.cvf )
HeadOut ( 1.7 3.1 -5.5 ) EngineControllers (
comment( Engine controls )

Regulator ( 0 1 0.025 0
NumNotches( 0 )
)
Cutoff ( -0.55 0.75 0.01 0
NumNotches( 0 )
)
Brake_Train ( 0 1 0.01 0.65
NumNotches( 3
Notch(0 1 TrainBrakesControllerReleaseStart )
Notch(0.4 1 TrainBrakesControllerRunningStart )
Notch(0.5 1 TrainBrakesControllerApplyStart )
)
)
Brake_Hand ( 0 1 0.0125 0
NumNotches( 0 )
)
FireDoor ( 0 1 0.1 0
NumNotches( 0 )
)
Sanding( 0 1 0 )
Blower ( 0 1 0.025 0.2
NumNotches( 0 )
)
HeatingTap ( 0 1 0.025 0
NumNotches( 0 )
)
Shovel ( 0 1 0.1 0
NumNotches( 0 )
)
DampersFront ( 0 1 0.1 1
NumNotches( 0 )
)
DampersBack ( 0 1 0.1 0
NumNotches( 0 )
)
Injector1Steam ( 0 1 0 )
Injector2Steam ( 0 1 0 )
Injector1Water ( 0 1 0.1 0
NumNotches( 0 )
)
Injector2Water ( 0 1 0.1 0
NumNotches( 0 )
)
CylinderCocks ( 0 1 1 )
Whistle ( 0 1 0 )
WaterScoop ( 0 1 0 )
SmallEjectorOrCompressor( 0 1 1 )
Headlights( 0 1 0 )
) comment(fire temp, fire mass, water mass, boiler pressure,
water level, tender_water_mass, tender_coal_mass,
smoke_quantity, fire_condition, coal quality )

EngineVariables( 775 1650 3000 160 0.5 35000 11200 350 1 1 )
Sound ( "FScotCab.sms" )
Name ( "1218" )
Description (
"London & North Eastern Railway's No. 4472 Flying Scotsman steam locomotive, modeled as it was in the 1920s. In"+
"Train Simulator, Flying Scotsman typically pulls a consist of luxury passenger cars on the Settle &"+
"Carlisle line.\n\n"+
"Locomotive type & no.: LNER A1 4-6-2 8P, No. 4472\n\n"+
"Power source: 180 psi hand-fired, coal burning boiler\n\n"+
"Wheel configuration: Six 80-in. (2.03m) diameter driving wheels in a 4-6-2 configuration\n\n"+
"Max. speed: 100 mph (161 km/h) under favorable conditions\n\n"+
"Height: 13 ft. 2 in. (4.03 m)\n\n"+
"Width: 9 ft. (2.74 m) (over footplate)\n\n"+
"Length (locomotive & tender): 70.43 ft. (21.47 m)\n\n"+
"Weight (locomotive & tender): 171 U.S. tons (155 metric tons)\n\n"+
"Tractive effort: 29,835 lb (13,532.93 kg)\n\n"+
"Coal capacity: 9 U.S. tons (8 metric tons)\n\n"+
"Water capacity: 6,000 U.S. gallons (22,712 liters)\n\n"+
"Brakes: Vacuum, operates at 21 in. Hg\n\n"
)
EngineOperatingProcedures (
"To move forward\n"+
"1. Press the W key several times to move the Reverser to full Forward.\n"+
"2. Press the ; (SEMICOLON) key to release the train brakes.\n"+
"3. Press the D key to increase the Regulator setting.\n"+
"4. As you accelerate, press the S key to slowly reduce the Reverser setting, then adjust the Regulator to maintain the desired speed.\n\n"+
"To slow the train\n"+
"1. Press the A key to move the Regulator to a lower setting.\n"+
"2. Use the brakes to further reduce speed if desired.\n\n"+
"To apply the train brakes\n"+
"1. Press the ' (APOSTROPHE) key to apply the train brakes.\n"+
"2. To hold the brakes at their current setting, lower the brake lever until it's in its middle (Neutral) position, by pressing the ; (SEMICOLON) key.\n\n"+
"To release the train brakes\n"+
"1. Press the ; (SEMICOLON) key to release the train brakes.\n"+
"2. When the brakes are released, raise the brake lever until it's in its middle (Neutral) position, by pressing the ' (APOSTROPHE) key.\n\n"+
"To back up\n"+
"1. Bring your train to a full stop.\n"+
"2. Press the S key several times to move the Reverser to the full Reverse position.\n"+
"4. Press the ; (SEMICOLON) key to release the brakes.\n"+
"5. Slowly advance the regulator (D key).\n\n"+
"To load and unload passengers\n"+
"1. Stop at a station.\n"+
"2. Press the ENTER key.\n"+
"3. Wait for the \"permission to depart\" whistle.\n"+
"TIP: Use the Next Station driving aid (F10) to monitor loading and unloading.\n\n"+
"To couple to a car or locomotive\n"+
"1. Coast into the unit at a very slow speed, about 2 mph.\n"+
"TIP: To use the Coupling view, press the 6 key.\n"+
"2. Press F9 to open the Train Operations window.\n"+
"3. If the icon for the unit you coupled to is red, the handbrake is on. Double-click the car to release the handbrake.\n"+
"4. Close the Train Operations window.\n\n"+
"To uncouple from a car or locomotive\n"+
"1. Press F9 to open the Train Operations window.\n"+
"2. Double-click a unit in the part of the train you want to uncouple from the locomotive, to set the handbrake.\n"+
"3. Double-click the coupler between the units you want to uncouple and the rest of the train.\n"+
"4. Close the Train Operations window.\n\n"+
"Firing commands (Automatic Fireman OFF in Options screen)\n"+
"To add coal to the firebox\n"+
"1. Press the F key to open the Firebox door.\n"+
"2. Press the R key to increase the shoveling rate.\n\n"+
"To stop adding coal to the fire\n"+
"1. Press SHIFT+R to decrease the shoveling rate.\n"+
"2. Press SHIFT+F to close the firebox door.\n\n"+
"To operate the blower\n"+
"1. Press the N key to increase the blower.\n"+
"2. Press SHIFT+N to decrease the blower.\n\n"+
"To operate the dampers\n"+
"1. Press the M key to open the dampers.\n"+
"2. Press SHIFT+M to close the dampers.\n\n"+
"To inject water into the boiler\n"+
"1. Press the I key to turn on the steam to Injector 1.\n"+
"(You can also press the O key to turn on the steam to Injector 2.)\n"+
"2. Press the K key to increase the water flow to Injector 1.\n"+
"(To increase the water flow to Injector 2, press the L key.)\n\n"+
"To stop boiler water injection\n"+
"1. Press the I key to turn off the steam to Injector 1.\n"+
"2. Press the O key to turn off the steam to Injector 2."
)
)

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Well, I am officially sick and tired of messing around with this stupid thing. I've uninstalled MSTS and threw it in the trash can. After sitting here wasting 4 hours of my life trying to get this thing in the game, I'm basically still in the same place I was when I started. Modding this crap just isn't worth the frustration, so if anyone wants this model you're free to have it, I'm sick of screwing with the damn thing.

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Have you copied the Scotsman cab and sound folders into your 1218 folder? Beer is not a matter of life and death. It is much more serious than that.
mervyn.

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Impressive!Since folks are going to need to know so that they can help you, what modleing program are you using? That will help the appropriate gurus troubleshoot when they see this thread.Take care,Henry

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Of course. This model was made using g-max. And to answer the other question, yes, I copied both the sound and cab view folders to my new folder. Thanks for the help so far.

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LAST EDITED ON Nov-09-04 AT 07:53 PM (EST)

Try and copy a new Scotsman .eng file and just change the names in the .eng file to the new one./JonatanSteam rules!

Train gifs from Dans Railroad Gif RoundhouseNever trust computers. If you do, they will betray you.I'm the steam freak, ph34r me!!

My E-mail jonatan.gronoset@telia.com

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Very nice model but i do believe sacramento locomotive works is working on one as well.

Thanks,
Jim

President Of BLLW
email us at: BLLW@aemail4u.com
or visit our webiste:
www.bllw.100freemb.com

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Yes we are, here are a few pics. The first 3 were taken before we sent it in for Class 3 repairs


Here are a few screens while in the shops

Regards,
Erik Pierson
Sacramento, Cawww.sacramentolocomotiveworks.com
You can find information about SLW upcoming releases at the following links
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3dTrains Forums

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Ok, well, I officially hate you people (just kidding). You've got it in the game and it looks great, meanwhile my freaking blood pressure is shooting through the roof just trying to do SOMETHING without getting an error message. My copy of MSTS is already in the trash, I'm sick of messing with it so again, anyone who wants my model can have it, I just want it off my damn computer.

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Oh, and by the way, thanks for coming on here and making my model look like a turd!!

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Hey man don't give up. I got P***ed off several times when I first started making models. Everyone has problems like this with MSTS, we must work around it's limitations. You have a great looking locomotive, there is nothing wrong with it. The errors you have been getting may be a simple file name issue in the .eng file. What exactly does the error say?C h r i s

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Both are very very nice loco's

Thanks,
Jim

President Of BLLW
email us at: BLLW@aemail4u.com
or visit our webiste:
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Agreed, I can't wait for either or both to be released.
NS4Life
NIN4Ever666@Yahoo.com

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Hey Erik, If you don't mind - what is the POLY count on that puppy ???Regards,
Scott

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Dude, no reason to get mad. The SLW on will probably be payware so for those who don't want to buy the 1218, yours will be perfect! I will probably wind up getting both. Keep it up man. You are doing one hell of a job and you've come to far to just waste a project like this one.

John Means
MASW Founder and President
The MASW site is www.freewebs.com/klwtrainsim

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Scott,
I am not at home where all my figures are at the moment...sitting in a hotel room courtesy of the UPRegards,
Erik Pierson
Sacramento, Cawww.sacramentolocomotiveworks.com
You can find information about SLW upcoming releases at the following links
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Hey blackhawk2000,
Your model looks pretty good! Don't give up yet. Besides, the SLW project is more focused on the A's as they appreared around 1950. As for your problem, is it just that it is not showing up in the game menu? or are you getting a UID error? Also, if you have conbuilder, this program has a test in it that you can run and it will report some errors that would cause problems, especially with cab views and sound file problems.Scott,
Presently engine 1 is about 6700 poly's while engine 2 is around 16,000 poly's. Keep in mind that hidden and unseen faces have not been deleted yet as she is still being painted. Once painted and these faces eliminated, it should drop the poly count to around 6000 and a little more than 14,000. Then we will figure out where to go from there in detail vs poly count. Mykel

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Erik / MykelThat is one slick hawg... I am building my first model in 3DC - nothing on your scale... 2-6-2 Prairie and Tender - from 1899... I have about 7600 on the engine and around 3500 for the tender... I was just trying to get a feel for what it takes for something like yours... I had heard somewhere that MSTS a limit of around 10K... LOL - guess that was wrong...Anyway - thanks for the info...Regards,
Scott

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Well, I'm not really sure what a UID error is, but here's what happens: I start up the game, and after the loading screen finishes, I get an error message that says something like "error reading train database" or something, and it lists the .eng file. I have successfully modded other games, but none of them have reached the level of frustration I have experienced working with this game. My original plan was to make around 3 or 4 Norfolk and Western steam locos and release them in 1 pack for download, but I'm so aggravated at this thing right now I just really don't know what to do.

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Don't give up on it yet. I'm sure someone around here can help you get in the sim and running. Back when I was building the East River I almost gave up once or twice...it's all a learning process that torments you to death.Edit: Can't spell today...go figure NS4Life
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Ok. I may have the answer to your problem. A train database error means that MSTS cannot locate the specified eng file in the engine folder. It does not mean you have a faulty eng file.What did you use to make the consist? The AE or Conbuilder. If the latter what version?Here is the beginning of a consist fileSIMISA@@@@@@@@@@JINX0D0t______Train (
TrainCfg ( "Duke of Gloster"
Name ( "Britannia express" )
Serial ( 3 )
MaxVelocity ( 51.40960 0.27237 )
NextWagonUID ( 22 )
Durability ( 1.00000 )
Engine (
UiD ( 9 )
EngineData ( 70000 70000 )
)
Wagon (
WagonData ( 70000tend 70000 )
UiD ( 10 )
)Note the two lines called EngineData and WagonData. These are what MSTS uses to determine what is supposed to be where. Within the brackets are two sets of data, the first is the eng or wag file name and the second is the folder name.Open your consist file for the 1218 using wordpad and make sure that the info inside the brackets is exactly the same as you have in your trainset folder.Beer is not a matter of life and death. It is much more serious than that.
mervyn.

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There is no reason for you to get all upset over this. There is plenty of room for two of these engines on here, Lord knows there is at least two of everything around MSTS.
I dont think your model looks like a turd, but if you think it does....whatever.
Regards,
Erik Pierson
Sacramento, Cawww.sacramentolocomotiveworks.com
You can find information about SLW upcoming releases at the following links
Elvas Tower Forums
3dTrains Forums

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I know, I'm really just clowning around. I wrote that message on a night when I was about to pull my hair out trying to get my 1218 into the game. I've followed every single tutorial I can find to try to get it into the game, and I get the same result EVERY time; a message that says something like "error reading train database" or something, and it lists the .eng file. There is only going to be one of these locos, not because I'm upset or anything, but because my feeble brain can't comprehend how to get this thing from gmax into the game. BTW, for anyone who wants to know, my loco is at about 5600 polys.

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Hi Blackhawk... Yeah - kinda avoided discussing your stuff before because you did seem a little upset... One thing about MSTS is that is seems to be a bit of an unfinnished product and it has many issues we all have to find a way to work around... I am very new to 3D Modeling and have had to work hard to evercome each step of the modeling process... First thing I would try - is can you get your shape loaded into Shape File Viewer... http://www.railpage.org.au/steam4me/trainsim/sviewr.html This should tell you whether your shape is - or is not - in the correct format for MSTS... Eliminates any of the problems that could occur in your config files... Awesome program.... Then there are numerous tutorials available at the site listed below... This is a great site with a wealth of helpful information... They even have a complete tutorial on building an engine with GMAX... http://www.railpage.org.au/steam4me/trainsim/tutorials/index.html You may just want to review the process and make sure you have all the bases covered... I use 3D Canvas - so I really can't be much help with that... With your POLY count - you will make you locomotive available to many many more people.. With POLY counts above 10K - you need some serious hardware to make it run well... I have a high end machine - and the numbers quoted above have me concerened... Don't give up - and - you may find MSTS very enjoyable !!!Regards,
Scott

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Nice work! Keep at it man! If you get her into the game, I'll beta test for you and see if I can get some sounds to go with it. Jason Underwood
14 yearold VA railfanALCO, gone but still alive!

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Erik,
Just wondering what the current status of the model is? What has to be done before she is completed; if you dont mind me asking.

Thanks,
Jim

President Of BLLW
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Jim,
The paint work, removing hidden faces and reducing the poly count and sounds and lights. I believe the water tender needs to be finished as well.Regards,
Erik Pierson
Sacramento, Cawww.sacramentolocomotiveworks.com
You can find information about SLW upcoming releases at the following links
Elvas Tower Forums
3dTrains Forums

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Erik,
Wow! You got quite alot yet to go on the locomotive. i wont bother asking when it will be released but i do ask that you hurry up :) I cant wait for her. Is there a time frame when u plan to have it finished or just whenever? Thanks again!!

Thanks,
Jim

President Of BLLW
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Hopefully around the first of the year. But we will see.
Regards,
Erik Pierson
Sacramento, Cawww.sacramentolocomotiveworks.com
You can find information about SLW upcoming releases at the following links
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That soon...cool very cool. i will be anxiously waiting

Thanks,
Jim

President Of BLLW
email us at: BLLW@aemail4u.com
or visit our webiste:
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Ok, I downloaded the shape viewer, and here's what I have. If the model wasn't done correctly, would it work in shape viewer?? I just need to know if it's my model that's screwed up or if I'm just wrecking the .eng file??

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>Ok, I downloaded the shape viewer, and here's what I have.
>If the model wasn't done correctly, would it work in shape
>viewer?? I just need to know if it's my model that's
>screwed up or if I'm just wrecking the .eng file?? From my experience, shape viewer shows the engine if all of the .ace files are correctly named so that the shape file understands them. Your error is probably one dealing with how you have the .eng file. I can't help you with the eng file but I'll tell you two things. First, three of the four errors I've had like the one you have were involving headlights (The fourth involved a consist error). Second, these errors are EXTREMELY annoying, you're not the only one who wants to trash MSTS when an engine doesn't work...

Southern Pacific AC4400CW 126 over Rockville

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Hi Blackhawk...Yep - I'm with Northshore... What we just proved is that your shape file should be in a valid format... That means you can totally focus on your "eng" file... One little typo in that file can keep you locomotive from working... The lighting section - as pointed out above - can be especially critical... If the number of lights listed - doesn't match the actual number of light lines - the sim can crash... LOL... Go figure...Maybe grab the default Scottman "eng" and "sd" file... You will need to go through and change out any references for your shapes... Sometimes it is best to go back to square one... These files can be very finicky..Regards,
Scott

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Ok, I got the .eng file from the Scotsman (which is actually what I've been doing from the beginning). Here's all that I changed:Wagon ( 1218
WagonShape ( 1218.s )
Engine ( 1218
Wagon ( 1218
IsTenderRequired ( 0 )
Name ( "N&W 1218" )Still the same error "Error Reading Train Database File
TRAINS/TRAINSET/1218/1218.ENG"

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>Ok, I got the .eng file from the Scotsman (which is actually
>what I've been doing from the beginning). Here's all that I
>changed:
>
>Wagon ( 1218
>WagonShape ( 1218.s )
>Engine ( 1218
>Wagon ( 1218
>IsTenderRequired ( 0 )
>Name ( "N&W 1218" )
>
>Still the same error "Error Reading Train Database File
> TRAINS/TRAINSET/1218/1218.ENG" Send the eng, s, sd, and ace files to me ( ssw9662@rcn.com ). I'll see what I can do.

Southern Pacific AC4400CW 126 over Rockville

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Blackhawk,

Did you change the ".sd" file too ??? The shape is listed inside that file as well... Also - I am not sure if it matters but I always name my ".s" ".sd" and ".eng" file with the same prefix...myproject.s
myproject.sd
myproject.engAND I also name the first line of the ".eng" file the same...Wagon ( myprojectOnce again - I am new to modeling - so take my suggestions with a grain of salt... This things seem to work for me...Good luck...Regards,
Scott

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Yes, I've actually done the same thing. My file names are 1218.s, 1218.sd, 1218.ace, and 1218.eng. And I have edited the .sd file to let it know that the shape file is 1218.s. I have followed tutorial after tutorial step by step, and I always end up with that infuriating error message every single time, yet I have downloaded other folks' locos and they work fine. I'm just at the end of my rope here.

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Hi Blackhawk...Let Northshore give it a go... You probably have been staring at those same files for so long - that you could easily overlook an obvious error... Trust me - I have been there...Regards,
Scott

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Maybe it's the "1218" that's the problem. Try changing the name to something else, maybe NW1218 could work./JonatanSteam rules!

Train gifs from Dans Railroad Gif RoundhouseNever trust computers. If you do, they will betray you.I'm the steam freak, ph34r me!!

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I just got the engine working for him.

Southern Pacific AC4400CW 126 over Rockville

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Way to go NORTHSHORE !!!Now that's what I'm talk'n about !!!Great news...Regards,
Scott

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>Way to go NORTHSHORE !!!
>
>Now that's what I'm talk'n about !!!
>
>Great news...
>
>Regards,
>Scott Thanks!BTW I found what caused the problem too. It was with the shape file.

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I tried to replicate exactly what he did, and I still get that damned error.

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Ok, thanks to Northshore, I can finally get this thing working on my own. After nearly pulling all my hair out and my blood pressure going through the roof, it finally works. Now, on to the details.....

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Hey, maybe, if timed right, we will have the 611 and 1218 around the same time. Man, that would be somethin.

John Means
MASW Founder and President
The MASW site is www.freewebs.com/klwtrainsim

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Yea, then all we need is Southern 4501 for a triple header!Jason Underwood
14 yearold VA railfanALCO, gone but still alive!

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Well, funny you should mention that.....

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I've been trying to repaint her but so far it doesn't look that good...Jason Underwood
14 yearold VA railfanALCO, gone but still alive!

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What? are you working on the 4501 as well? If so, where did you find plans for the Ms class mikes or is it a repaint? Good Luck!Mykel

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