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oakwaysd60Member since Aug-16-03 · 335 posts

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Hi. In my request post in the repainting forum. Someone brought about a GP60B and I got right to it. Heres waht I have so far. Ill update you as the model progresses.-NickCentral Illinois Locomotive Works Founder
CILW's Web Site is http://home.insightbb.com/~rkelsey/wsb/html/view.cgi-home.html-.html

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RE: GP60B, TAMR159, Nov-01-04, 03:47 PM, (1) RE: GP60B, NewEnglandRailFan, Nov-01-04, 07:28 PM, (2) RE: GP60B, NW 1218, Nov-01-04, 08:23 PM, (3) RE: GP60B, oakwaysd60, Nov-02-04, 07:33 AM, (4) RE: GP60B, TAMR159, Nov-02-04, 10:59 AM, (5) RE: GP60B, jtsdadinaz, Nov-02-04, 01:15 PM, (6) RE: GP60B, oakwaysd60, Nov-02-04, 09:46 PM, (7) RE: GP60B, ATSF104, Nov-02-04, 11:12 PM, (8) RE: GP60B, TAMR159, Nov-03-04, 03:38 PM, (15) RE: GP60B, pwillard, Nov-03-04, 06:52 PM, (17) RE: GP60B, BN_9402, Nov-03-04, 06:58 PM, (18) RE: GP60B, bradhig, Nov-03-04, 00:34 AM, (9) RE: GP60B, oakwaysd60, Nov-03-04, 06:19 AM, (10) RE: GP60B, Claude350, Nov-03-04, 07:25 AM, (11) RE: GP60B, oakwaysd60, Nov-03-04, 07:57 AM, (12) RE: GP60B, NorthShore_364, Nov-03-04, 08:35 AM, (13) RE: GP60B, RAILDOG, Nov-03-04, 12:48 PM, (14) RE: GP60B, Claude350, Nov-03-04, 06:52 PM, (16) RE: GP60B, oakwaysd60, Nov-03-04, 08:57 PM, (19) RE: GP60B, goldenpig, Nov-03-04, 09:07 PM, (20) RE: GP60B, NW 1218, Nov-03-04, 09:21 PM, (21) RE: GP60B, ATSF104, Nov-03-04, 09:45 PM, (22) RE: GP60B, ssw, Nov-03-04, 10:00 PM, (23) RE: GP60B, oakwaysd60, Nov-04-04, 07:33 AM, (24) RE: GP60B, sstyrnol, Nov-04-04, 07:58 AM, (25) RE: GP60B, Claude350, Nov-04-04, 08:53 AM, (26) RE: GP60B, NW 1218, Nov-04-04, 04:56 PM, (27) RE: GP60B, ATSF104, Nov-04-04, 05:19 PM, (28) RE: GP60B, funnelfan, Nov-04-04, 05:45 PM, (29) RE: GP60B, ssw, Nov-04-04, 05:53 PM, (30) RE: GP60B, oakwaysd60, Nov-04-04, 08:47 PM, (31) RE: GP60B, callagst, Nov-04-04, 09:19 PM, (32) RE: GP60B, oakwaysd60, Nov-04-04, 09:57 PM, (33) RE: GP60B, Claude350, Nov-04-04, 11:06 PM, (34) RE: GP60B, ssw, Nov-04-04, 11:14 PM, (35) RE: GP60B, adamb, Nov-05-04, 00:12 AM, (36) RE: GP60B, oakwaysd60, Nov-05-04, 07:58 AM, (37) RE: GP60B, Claude350, Nov-05-04, 08:52 AM, (38) RE: GP60B, NW 1218, Nov-05-04, 10:29 AM, (39) RE: GP60B, Claude350, Nov-05-04, 11:18 AM, (40) RE: GP60B, funnelfan, Nov-05-04, 03:15 PM, (41) RE: GP60B, goldenpig, Nov-05-04, 05:13 PM, (42) RE: GP60B, TAMR159, Nov-05-04, 08:17 PM, (43) RE: GP60B, oakwaysd60, Nov-05-04, 10:29 PM, (44) RE: GP60B, oakwaysd60, Nov-06-04, 05:48 PM, (45) RE: GP60B, goldenpig, Nov-06-04, 05:59 PM, (46) RE: GP60B, TAMR159, Nov-06-04, 06:37 PM, (47) RE: GP60B, jleong14, Nov-06-04, 06:40 PM, (48) RE: GP60B, TAMR159, Nov-06-04, 06:42 PM, (49) RE: GP60B, NewEnglandRailFan, Nov-06-04, 08:40 PM, (50) RE: GP60B, oakwaysd60, Nov-06-04, 10:31 PM, (51) RE: GP60B, oakwaysd60, Nov-06-04, 11:56 PM, (52) RE: GP60B, TAMR159, Nov-07-04, 02:14 AM, (53) RE: GP60B, Claude350, Nov-07-04, 02:17 AM, (54) RE: GP60B, TAMR159, Nov-07-04, 03:16 AM, (55) RE: GP60B, oakwaysd60, Nov-07-04, 11:22 AM, (56) RE: GP60B, westerngy, Nov-07-04, 11:30 AM, (57) RE: GP60B, TAMR159, Nov-07-04, 01:13 PM, (58) RE: GP60B, goldenpig, Nov-07-04, 02:00 PM, (59) RE: GP60B, oakwaysd60, Nov-07-04, 03:17 PM, (60) RE: GP60B, funnelfan, Nov-07-04, 03:21 PM, (61) RE: GP60B, Claude350, Nov-07-04, 03:50 PM, (62) RE: GP60B, TAMR159, Nov-07-04, 04:16 PM, (63) RE: GP60B, oakwaysd60, Nov-07-04, 05:26 PM, (64) RE: GP60B, Claude350, Nov-07-04, 05:43 PM, (65) RE: GP60B, TAMR159, Nov-07-04, 06:10 PM, (66) RE: GP60B, oakwaysd60, Nov-07-04, 08:21 PM, (67) RE: GP60B, TAMR159, Nov-07-04, 09:09 PM, (68) RE: GP60B, NW 1218, Nov-07-04, 09:34 PM, (69) RE: GP60B, funnelfan, Nov-07-04, 09:42 PM, (70) RE: GP60B, ssw, Nov-07-04, 09:58 PM, (71) RE: GP60B, oakwaysd60, Nov-07-04, 10:05 PM, (72) RE: GP60B, oakwaysd60, Nov-08-04, 07:03 AM, (73) RE: GP60B, Claude350, Nov-08-04, 08:23 AM, (74) RE: GP60B, TAMR159, Nov-08-04, 09:54 AM, (75) RE: GP60B, NW 1218, Nov-08-04, 04:32 PM, (76) RE: GP60B, kenya, Nov-08-04, 09:07 PM, (77) RE: GP60B, oakwaysd60, Nov-08-04, 09:28 PM, (78) RE: GP60B, TAMR159, Nov-08-04, 09:59 PM, (79) RE: GP60B, oakwaysd60, Nov-08-04, 10:09 PM, (80) RE: still one problem, funnelfan, Nov-08-04, 10:31 PM, (81) RE: still one problem, BNSF4999, Nov-09-04, 01:07 AM, (82) RE: still one problem, oakwaysd60, Nov-09-04, 07:06 AM, (83) RE: still one problem, NW 1218, Nov-09-04, 09:48 AM, (84) RE: still one problem, BNSF4999, Nov-09-04, 09:53 AM, (85) Diagram of problem, funnelfan, Nov-09-04, 12:28 PM, (86) RE: Diagram of problem, oakwaysd60, Nov-09-04, 06:09 PM, (87) RE: Diagram of problem, Claude350, Nov-09-04, 07:56 PM, (88) RE: Diagram of problem, BNSF4999, Nov-09-04, 09:40 PM, (89) RE: Diagram of problem, Claude350, Nov-09-04, 11:35 PM, (90) RE: Diagram of problem, NewEnglandRailFan, Nov-10-04, 09:28 AM, (91) Anticlimber, huddy, Nov-10-04, 11:15 AM, (92) RE: Anticlimber, oakwaysd60, Nov-11-04, 07:36 AM, (93) RE: Anticlimber, Claude350, Nov-11-04, 07:16 PM, (94) RE: Anticlimber, Claude350, Nov-15-04, 06:47 PM, (95) RE: Anticlimber, oakwaysd60, Nov-15-04, 09:35 PM, (96) RE: Anticlimber, NW 1218, Nov-16-04, 07:19 AM, (97) RE: Anticlimber, Claude350, Nov-16-04, 08:23 AM, (98) RE: Anticlimber, oakwaysd60, Nov-16-04, 04:55 PM, (99) RE: Anticlimber, csxchris, Nov-19-04, 12:34 PM, (100)

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NewEnglandRailFanMember since Jun-18-04 · 1345 posts

RE: GP60B

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Nice!! My request has been answered
-Dave

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oakwaysd60Member since Aug-16-03 · 335 posts

RE: GP60B

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Thanks for ponting that out. It was only 8 feet wide. Heres and update. All I have left to do on the model is set up the part parents and perfect the texturing. I hope to get it into the sim tonight and then, make new 710 sounds and then finish the textures.-NickCentral Illinois Locomotive Works Founder
CILW's Web Site is http://home.insightbb.com/~rkelsey/wsb/html/view.cgi-home.html-.html

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oakwaysd60Member since Aug-16-03 · 335 posts

RE: GP60B

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Its gitti'n there. I got it into the sim. All that is left to do. Perdect texutes, weathering, sounds, exhaust, and physics.-NickCentral Illinois Locomotive Works Founder
CILW's Web Site is http://home.insightbb.com/~rkelsey/wsb/html/view.cgi-home.html-.html

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ATSF104Member since Aug-27-03 · 900 posts

RE: GP60B

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The GP60B's always had this kind of lettering GP60B – image 13-MattATSF GP60M #104 works on the local in Flagstaff, AZ. www.atsfrr.com Please attend the up coming convention in Pasadena, California.

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BN_9402Charter Member · 1299 posts

RE: GP60B

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As Pete says, BNSF DOES NOT exactly use Cooper Black. The official font style is a bit difficult to find (I have the font but ain't gonna give it to anyone anytime soon) but Pete's ATSF font is perfect for what you want.Austin

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Claude350Charter Member · 2469 posts

RE: GP60B

I know this is still a project in the makings but the unit looks to be taller than what I see in the pics that I have.The blower duct is way to small.It Should extend upward more to the air intake.Should also be a hump behind the air intake.Claude Debnam NS Piedmont Division Raleigh EastGP60B – image 18

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oakwaysd60Member since Aug-16-03 · 335 posts

RE: GP60B

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Almost done. Now all that is left to do is the sounds. If you see anything that needs to be changed or added, please tell me. Constructive critisizim is always welcome.-NickCentral Illinois Locomotive Works Founder
CILW's Web Site is http://home.insightbb.com/~rkelsey/wsb/html/view.cgi-home.html-.html

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ATSF104Member since Aug-27-03 · 900 posts

RE: GP60B

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Put doors on it please. Also, I think the "bubble" like lettering is better looking than the stuff you have on there.-MattATSF GP60M #104 works on the local in Flagstaff, AZ. www.atsfrr.com Please attend the up coming convention in Pasadena, California.

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oakwaysd60Member since Aug-16-03 · 335 posts

RE: GP60B

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Doors have been on it since the second update. Here is another version. I fixed the radiators and fans and made the blowers bigger and added another detail part. Im hoping for a release date of next week at this time.-NickCentral Illinois Locomotive Works Founder
CILW's Web Site is http://home.insightbb.com/~rkelsey/wsb/html/view.cgi-home.html-.html

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sstyrnolCharter Member · 907 posts

RE: GP60B

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Claude350Charter Member · 2469 posts

RE: GP60B

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Air intake screens still not large enough.The blower duct still needs to extend upward more.Exhaust stack appears to be missing.Don't rush your work out the door.Take your time and use the wonderful help that is available here.Release it when it's done correctly.Claude Debnam NS Piedmont Division Raleigh EastGP60B – image 38

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ATSF104Member since Aug-27-03 · 900 posts

RE: GP60B

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LAST EDITED ON Nov-04-04 AT 05:20 PM (EST)

I ask that you please make the doors more visible like on Danny's model.-MattATSF GP60M #104 works on the local in Flagstaff, AZ. www.atsfrr.com Please attend the up coming convention in Pasadena, California.

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funnelfanMember since Sep-22-03 · 194 posts

RE: GP60B

A couple things need to be done to that model.1. The fuel tank needs to be totally redone, to include the air tank and the correct Fuel Tank shape.2. Need to fill the gap between the hood and the ends so you can't see through the locomotive.Ted Curphey
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sswCharter Member · 2724 posts

RE: GP60B

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and raise the frame to the height of Danny's model, since after all, the GP60 series shared the same frame.. then the fans are too big still, air intake too small, and blower duct too short as Claude has pointed out in his last 3-4 replies, your dynamic brake grid should be larger. Look at Danny's shape and get ideas. His has it right.

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oakwaysd60Member since Aug-16-03 · 335 posts

RE: GP60B

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Ok. Heres what I did. I increased the blower and intake size, fixed the see through problem, added alpha to the trucks, fixed the fuel tank. Also, I found a side pictures of a GP60B and it had a bell on it. Does anybody know why?-NickCentral Illinois Locomotive Works Founder
CILW's Web Site is http://home.insightbb.com/~rkelsey/wsb/html/view.cgi-home.html-.html

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callagstMember since May-10-03 · 104 posts

RE: GP60B

All B-units have hostler's controls which allow inside and outside locomotive shop hostlers to move the B-unit while uncoupled from a unit with a control cab. Railroad rules require that the engine bell be rung before commencing any movement on inside or outside designated shop tracks, and in some cases be rung continuously until the movement has come to a complete stop or until it has moved beyond shop track limits. A safety necessity, in fact. Hence the necessity for an engine bell on B-units.

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Claude350Charter Member · 2469 posts

RE: GP60B

Ok oakwaysd60.Please take a look at the GP60B real closely.The hump above the air intake is missing from your model.Take a look at the handrail and stanchion placement on the blower duct side of the unit.On the pics that I have there are two short stanchions after which the handrail angles up and there are two long stanchions.The handrail does not cross the blower duct as is portrayed on your unit.You may want to take a look at the dynamic brake housing also.You need to square the housing more.As stated previous take your time and put out a good quality model.You have all the help that you need right here to produce a good model.You're doing a good job at making the changes.Please continue to do so.Claude Debnam NS Piedmont Division Raleigh EastGP60B – image 47

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oakwaysd60Member since Aug-16-03 · 335 posts

RE: GP60B

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Update. I fixed all of the above problems and added a few new detail aprts. I know there is a handrail textures error and I will take care of that soon.-NickCentral Illinois Locomotive Works Founder
CILW's Web Site is http://home.insightbb.com/~rkelsey/wsb/html/view.cgi-home.html-.html

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Claude350Charter Member · 2469 posts

RE: GP60B

Looking better but work is still needed on the dynamic brake housing and the fuel tank.The fuel tank is still way too small and the dynamic brake housing looks too large now.I know these are pics and pics can be deceiving but look at some of the pics that are posted on the links provided and you'll see what I'm speaking of.Claude Debnam NS Piedmont Division Raleigh EastGP60B – image 55

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Claude350Charter Member · 2469 posts

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Also look at Danny's model in regards to the design of the dynamic brake housing.As John stated your work is getting better and you're making the necessary correction.Claude Debnam NS Piedmont Division Raleigh EastGP60B – image 57

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funnelfanMember since Sep-22-03 · 194 posts

RE: GP60B

Here is a profile of the EMD fuel tank that you need to use on this model. Also the air hose on the end need to be moved down so that the top of them are midway down the end plate, and the coupler needs to be scaled in half.Ted Curphey
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goldenpigCharter Member · 401 posts

RE: GP60B

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Well technically there is a downward angle that allows room for the air reservoirs. This is typically the shape that I use unless the drawings I work from provide otherwise... and this is just a quick rough out so you get an idea of just the tank shape... hope it helps. Man I wish that old GP60M would go away... >yuck< tee hee! =|GoldenPig
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TAMR159Member since Jul-30-03 · 109 posts

RE: GP60B

I'm sure it'll dissapear once you release that ATSF pack you've been attracting our attention with for some time now...- - Nick Wilson

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goldenpigCharter Member · 401 posts

RE: GP60B

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Right on man! Keep going... like it was said earlier, don't rush it. Take your time and make it just right. I know everyone is eager to get it but they can wait. You just make sure you're completely happy with it before you upload it. Here's a render of my work-in-progress...
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TAMR159Member since Jul-30-03 · 109 posts

RE: GP60B

Work in progress? From looking at it, you'd swear it was already finished & detailed. But then again, the more detail, the better.Anyways, besides the GP60M, GP60B and SD40-2, are you able to tell us (or hint to us) what else we might expect in the pack? Thanks Danny!- - Nick Wilson

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TAMR159Member since Jul-30-03 · 109 posts

RE: GP60B

(In Response To oakwaysd60's Screenshots)It's definitely looking really good, just keep working on it until you're completely happy, as Danny said. I'd say work on the fuel tank some more for starters. Just find some good shots of them and work from there. It might take a while, but the results will definitely be worth it. Anyways, back to work (reskinning while listening to some Metallica - man, I love weekends).- - Nick Wilson

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NewEnglandRailFanMember since Jun-18-04 · 1345 posts

RE: GP60B

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Danny and Oakwaysd60:You guys are killin me! These things are awesome looking Who would have thought that a man could get so emotional about somthing without a cab Keep workin on it guys
-Dave

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oakwaysd60Member since Aug-16-03 · 335 posts

RE: GP60B

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Ok. New version. Im trying to keep up with the detail that Danny has on his. I realize that the air and MU hoses are mssing. I had to take them off because of the dreaded send/don't send.-NickCentral Illinois Locomotive Works Founder
CILW's Web Site is http://home.insightbb.com/~rkelsey/wsb/html/view.cgi-home.html-.html

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TAMR159Member since Jul-30-03 · 109 posts

RE: GP60B

Awsome work! It's definitely looking good now. Dynamic brakes look good, so do the fans. Fuel tank could still use a bit of work though (it looks like the air resivour is sticking out to the side of the unit - just supposed to be housed underneath the walkway). Anyways, looking good & looking forward to your progress on it!- - Nick Wilson

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Claude350Charter Member · 2469 posts

RE: GP60B

Major improvement on your GP60B Oakway.Take a look at Danny's B unit and not the small stake that in front on the #1 radiator fan on the longhood.Don't forget to add this feature.Claude Debnam NS Piedmont Division Raleigh EastGP60B – image 78

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TAMR159Member since Jul-30-03 · 109 posts

RE: GP60B

There's also a period where the walkway is elevated (as it is on Danny's model). Also, the handrail stops before the blower duct and resumes again after it. You can see both of these things in the picture below.GP60B – image 79- - Nick Wilson

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westerngyMember since Jul-18-02 · 538 posts

RE: GP60B

LAST EDITED ON Nov-07-04 AT 11:33 AM (EST)

Looking so much better but going back and forth over the pics and the Sante Fe looks to large now.Danny the only way the GP60M will go away is for the new one to be released.
Just Rollin Down The Tracks
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oakwaysd60Member since Aug-16-03 · 335 posts

RE: GP60B

GP60B – image 85

Hi. I just thought Id post another update and give everyone a sneek peak into waht going on with the geeps. Well, the sounds have been started but all I have is the 710 sounds done. There will be two numbers in each pack. the first pack will be 334 and 325. The BNSF pack will be, well, i haven't decided yet. (If you want, tell me what you would like. 342 will be one because It was the first and only GP60B I saw.) Also, I plan to do a GP60M too. I started it but the mapping was very hard. Its not even close to being done. I was going to do a GP60 but Dick Cowen already did a very good one. Thats all for now. Heres some pics.-NickCentral Illinois Locomotive Works Founder
CILW's Web Site is http://home.insightbb.com/~rkelsey/wsb/html/view.cgi-home.html-.html

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funnelfanMember since Sep-22-03 · 194 posts

RE: GP60B

You're definately getting somewhere with the model. The fuel tank looks great except for a texture problem on one side where they don't match up, creating a line. You also have a texture problem on the dynamic brake grid. The only major problem right now is that you need to move the handrails out so they attach to the side of the walkway, and not on top of it. I would also suggest that you rework the stair steps ont he ends so that the steps are thinner, and that they have a backstop (look at Danny's model for reference). But your getting closer.Ted Curphey
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Claude350Charter Member · 2469 posts

RE: GP60B

Oakway don't forget to include the exhaust stack grills.Take a look at the pics and Danny's models to see what features your model is lacking in the exhaust area.Overall the model is looking better all the time.Claude Debnam NS Piedmont Division Raleigh EastGP60B – image 90

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TAMR159Member since Jul-30-03 · 109 posts

RE: GP60B

Yeah, you need to add the exhaust grills to the top of the model. Also, I'd suggest lightening up the grills on the sides a bit (they look almost black now, can't really see any of the rods going up & down on them). Anyways, below is a roofshot of a GP60B. Notice the exhaust vent up in the roof above the second "a" in Santa.GP60B – image 91- - Nick Wilson

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oakwaysd60Member since Aug-16-03 · 335 posts

RE: GP60B

GP60B – image 92

Okay. Heres some more. I added the grilles, and looked into the raidiators only to find that the blackish color is prototypical. (That or my eyes or going bad! ) I realize taht the stairs are showing through the pilots, Ill have to look into that.-NickCentral Illinois Locomotive Works Founder
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Claude350Charter Member · 2469 posts

RE: GP60B

You need one more exhaust opening on the hump after the dynamic brake housing.Also the handrail prior to the blower duct needs to be raised to accomodate two long stanchions.There should be two short stanchions and two long stanchions as depicted in the pics provided.Again take a look at Danny's model and the picture that was provided.They are excellent reference pics for ya. Claude Debnam NS Piedmont Division Raleigh EastGP60B – image 97

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TAMR159Member since Jul-30-03 · 109 posts

RE: GP60B

The vents on the dynamic braking aren't supposed to overlap onto the part that angles back into the body (only the part that sticks out parallel to the body - one flat surface). Also, there isn't a small window on the side with the blower duct.- - Nick Wilson

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oakwaysd60Member since Aug-16-03 · 335 posts

RE: GP60B

GP60B – image 98

I fixed all the bugs that were listed and I hope that is all. I went theough my recordings and found that all of my 710 recordings are crap. I think what I will do then is do a very large remix of the SD402 sounds and default GP38 sounds.-NickCentral Illinois Locomotive Works Founder
CILW's Web Site is http://home.insightbb.com/~rkelsey/wsb/html/view.cgi-home.html-.html

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TAMR159Member since Jul-30-03 · 109 posts

RE: GP60B

I only see two problems left with the unit. First off, the fuel tank is silver/grey (easy fix). The other thing is the handrails in front of the blower duct underneath the dynamic braking. The elevated walkway needs to come a bit further out, plus the bend in the handrail should be halfway between the start of the handrail and the blower duct itself. I've included some images as well. Other than that, it looks great! I'd say to fix those two things and it's pretty much ready for release to the public. Thanks again for all your efforts! All of us really appreciate it.- - Nick Wilson

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funnelfanMember since Sep-22-03 · 194 posts

RE: GP60B

There are still things that should be fixed on this unit. The handrails should be attached to the outside of the walkways, and there is still a gap between the hood and the ends of the unit that you can see through.Ted Curphey
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oakwaysd60Member since Aug-16-03 · 335 posts

RE: GP60B

GP60B – image 108

Heres the final update before I go to sleep. I dosed off trying to fix the handrails!-NickCentral Illinois Locomotive Works Founder
CILW's Web Site is http://home.insightbb.com/~rkelsey/wsb/html/view.cgi-home.html-.html

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oakwaysd60Member since Aug-16-03 · 335 posts

RE: GP60B

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Okay, I finished al of the listed bugs and started on the sounds, but they are going nowhere.-NickCentral Illinois Locomotive Works Founder
CILW's Web Site is http://home.insightbb.com/~rkelsey/wsb/html/view.cgi-home.html-.html

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Claude350Charter Member · 2469 posts

RE: GP60B

LAST EDITED ON Nov-08-04 AT 08:26 AM (EST)

The handrail and stanchion placement forward of the blower duct is still wrong.There should be two small stanchions,then the handrail angles up followed by two long stanchions.You only have three stanchions,one small and two long.I know this is frustrating and hard work but please refer to the reference pics to help you along the way.As stated in previous post don't rush your work.Release it when it is ready to be released.You do have an excellent model but there is still work that needs to be done.One other thing the main air line is in the wrong location.Claude Debnam NS Piedmont Division Raleigh EastGP60B – image 119

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TAMR159Member since Jul-30-03 · 109 posts

RE: GP60B

As was said before, the handrail before the duct needs to be fixed. Look at the pictures and digrams I posted earlier in the thread. As for sounds, these units tend to have a signature whine to them (find some videos/sounds online of them and you'll see what I mean). I'm sure ATSF fans can back me up on this one. Other than that, it's looking real good and I'm looking forward to it's release!- - Nick Wilson

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oakwaysd60Member since Aug-16-03 · 335 posts

RE: GP60B

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Heres a few more. I was in chicago all day so I didn't get much done. Chicago is 2 hours from where I live but I finished all the nessasary changes.-NickCentral Illinois Locomotive Works Founder
CILW's Web Site is http://home.insightbb.com/~rkelsey/wsb/html/view.cgi-home.html-.html

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funnelfanMember since Sep-22-03 · 194 posts

RE: still one problem

You still need to move the handrails out so that they attach to the outside of the walkway and not on top of it. I think you should also redo the stairwells, but that's just me. The coupler is probably too high as well.Ted Curphey
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BNSF4999Member since Aug-21-02 · 529 posts

RE: still one problem

LAST EDITED ON Nov-09-04 AT 01:10 AM (EST)

engine looks fairly good but please get rid of one of the MU hoses. you have 4, i dont think any engines have had 4 since, well, almost forever. modern diesels only have 3 on each side of the coupler. also, on the front and maybe on the back, the grab irons are on the wrong side. The cooling fans up on top could use some texture work. Also, every access door on the hood of your unit has a latch, i know they dont all on the real engine.
Please dont forget a coupler cut bar.
Its a nice general model, now its just the details that need work.
Kevin V.
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BNSF4999Member since Aug-21-02 · 529 posts

RE: still one problem

well hey now thats looking MUCH better. Note the grab irons are yellow iirc, and i believe just the ends of the coupler bar are yellow, the rest is silver. but yes it looks much better with just those couple of fixes.
any chance of making the grab irons drop so they dont just look like little handles? I dont know how hard all this modeling is so im just wondering.keep up the good work!
Kevin V.
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oakwaysd60Member since Aug-16-03 · 335 posts

RE: Diagram of problem

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Heres what I have now. THe grabs are now yellow and I will fix the uncouplers in the next update. John Means volunteered to do the sounds. -NickCentral Illinois Locomotive Works Founder
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Claude350Charter Member · 2469 posts

RE: Diagram of problem

Looking better everyday.Now let's work on the coupler height and put some texture to the plows and air hoses.The main train air hose appears to be alittle low.you may want to rechaeck the height for this.To Danny Beck,if possible could you post end shots of the B unit.Claude Debnam NS Piedmont Division Raleigh EastGP60B – image 139

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BNSF4999Member since Aug-21-02 · 529 posts

RE: Diagram of problem

Hey its looking really good now. Final thing I think will make a HUGE difference is the end pilots. Look at the photo how the walkway comes out like on a GP50 and what not, how it extendout over the coupler and how the handrails come out over it, they dont just go straight across. If you fix that, the model will really be sweet. Id be glad to help with texturing in details and stuff if you want.looks good, keep it up!!!Kevin V.
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Claude350Charter Member · 2469 posts

RE: Diagram of problem

LAST EDITED ON Nov-09-04 AT 11:38 PM (EST)

My point exactly Kevin.Work does need to be done to the anti-climber on both ends. Hopefully someone can post a few pics showing both ends of this type unit for reference.Claude Debnam NS Piedmont Division Raleigh EastGP60B – image 140

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NewEnglandRailFanMember since Jun-18-04 · 1345 posts

RE: Diagram of problem

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LAST EDITED ON Nov-10-04 AT 09:29 AM (EST)

In these shots (from www.rr-fallenflags.org) you can somewhat see the ends:GP60B – image 142GP60B – image 143They aren't great but its all I could find on the web.
-Dave

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oakwaysd60Member since Aug-16-03 · 335 posts

RE: Anticlimber

GP60B – image 145

Okay, I am stil working on the anticliber but that is almost done.-NickCentral Illinois Locomotive Works Founder
CILW's Web Site is http://home.insightbb.com/~rkelsey/wsb/html/view.cgi-home.html-.html

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Claude350Charter Member · 2469 posts

RE: Anticlimber

Ok Oakway.You're getting better man.The cut lever needs to be at the top of the coupler.It's hard for me to describe how it needs to be positioned exactly.However you will find it most helpful to look at photos to help get oriented on the placemnet of the cut lever.Also the MU hoses need to be positioned beneath the cut lever.Claude Debnam NS Piedmont Division Raleigh EastGP60B – image 149

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csxchrisCharter Member · 35 posts

RE: Anticlimber

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Previous posts questioned the existence of a bell and controls on these engines. Pictures above show a GP60B in the war bonnet scheme with a bell and another with the pumpkin colors and no bell. All the GP60B's I've been on never had controls so I never would have thought to look for a bell!

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