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So, Who's is the right height?

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MacsterCharter Member · 1929 postsSep 1, 2003 6:19 PM

Well, me and JC have ran into something, erm, interesting, were both stuck on who's locomotive is the right height...Pic one shows JC's loco on the left and Justin Cornell's on the right...according to the math, JC's should be correct, then when looking at JC's dash 9 vs his SD70M, then the confusion starts, because I thought the SD70M's were SLIGHTLY shorter?Any info?

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RE: So, Who's is the right height?, Macster, Sep-01-03, 02:33 PM, (1) RE: So, Who's is the right height?, robertlearmont, Sep-12-03, 06:16 PM, (9) RE: So, Who's is the right height?, ctillier, Sep-01-03, 02:39 PM, (2) RE: So, Who's is the right height?, Hack, Sep-01-03, 04:16 PM, (3) RE: So, Who's is the right height?, derekmorton, Sep-01-03, 06:28 PM, (4) RE: So, Who's is the right height?, JensChris, Sep-02-03, 05:42 AM, (6) RE: So, Who's is the right height?, derekmorton, Sep-02-03, 07:39 AM, (8) RE: So, Who's is the right height?, csxt602, Sep-02-03, 03:31 AM, (5) RE: So, Who's is the right height?, sd70mac666, Sep-02-03, 06:32 AM, (7) RE: So, Who's is the right height?, CPR_9102, Sep-12-03, 06:43 PM, (10) RE: So, Who's is the right height?, theduke_490, Sep-13-03, 01:29 AM, (11) RE: So, Who's is the right height?, BN_9402, Sep-13-03, 10:43 AM, (12) RE: So, Who's is the right height?, theduke_490, Sep-13-03, 10:53 AM, (13) RE: So, Who's is the right height?, BN_9402, Sep-13-03, 11:47 AM, (15) RE: So, Who's is the right height?, theduke_490, Sep-13-03, 12:24 PM, (16) RE: So, Who's is the right height?, theduke_490, Sep-13-03, 10:55 AM, (14) RE: So, Who's is the right height?, kevarc, Sep-13-03, 10:16 PM, (17) RE: So, Who's is the right height?, theduke_490, Sep-13-03, 10:26 PM, (18) RE: So, Who's is the right height?, BNSF4723, Sep-14-03, 07:13 PM, (19)

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MacsterCharter Member · 1929 postsSep 1, 2003 6:33 PM

RE: So, Who's is the right height?

Specifications - SD70MTotal weight on rails - 398,500 lbs.
Height - top of rail to top of cooling fan - 15'7 9/16"
Overall length - 72'4"
Fuel capacity - 4,900 gal.
Lube oil capacity - 436 gal.
Cooling water capacity - 276 gal.Specs - Dash 9Engine: GE7FDL
Height: 15' 4
Length: 73' 8
Width: 10'
Power: 4,400 hp
Weight: 387,250 lbs.

Brian E. Bundridge
NALW Quality Control Manager
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robertlearmontMember since Apr-8-03 · 373 postsSep 12, 2003 10:16 PM

RE: So, Who's is the right height?

GE's seem to be higher. Check it.

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ctillierCharter Member · 337 postsSep 1, 2003 6:39 PM

RE: So, Who's is the right height?

Sounds like a job for my scale gauge.Go to the file library
Download the MSTS Scale Gauge (misc category I think)
Insert into consist
Measure each model down to the inch
Select the winnercheers

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HackCharter Member · 2788 postsSep 1, 2003 8:16 PM

RE: So, Who's is the right height?

Yep - the scale gauge don't lie.Cheers!
Marc - 3DTrains
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derekmortonCharter Member · 2004 postsSep 1, 2003 10:28 PM

RE: So, Who's is the right height?

Brian,Looking at the backs, the bedplate on the SD70 is low and I have always thought that the SD70 had wheels that are too small, and most likely the bogie is out of scale.Any comment?Derek

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JensChrisCharter Member · 677 postsSep 2, 2003 9:42 AM

RE: So, Who's is the right height?

huh ?Sorry could you make that clearer, what do you mean now ?
Are my bogies out of scale ? Which ones ?
Are my SD70 wheels too small ?
And what about the "backs" ? You don't see the back of a SD70 in the pic...Jay-C

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derekmortonCharter Member · 2004 postsSep 2, 2003 11:39 AM

RE: So, Who's is the right height?

>Sorry could you make that clearer, what do you mean now ?
>Are my bogies out of scale ? Which ones ? Brian's first picture shows your loco on the left with Cornells on the right.
Cornells has a lower bedplate than yours (the lower bedplate looks wrong to me) I think Cornells bogie in not high enough. >Are my SD70 wheels too small ?
>And what about the "backs" ? You don't see the back of a
>SD70 in the pic... I am downloading the scale thing now to find out for myselfDerek

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csxt602Charter Member · 759 postsSep 2, 2003 7:31 AM

RE: So, Who's is the right height?

Brian,The nose-to-nose shot looks about right. I just caught a UP SD70M coupled nose-to-nose with a Dash 9 the other day, and the SD70M had a slightly higher nose.As far as J-C's and JC's Dash 9's, Jens-Chris' looks closer to the right height. I've always thought that Justin's was a little on the short side personally.Chris Denbow - Baltimore, MD
TKW Paintshop Technician

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sd70mac666Charter Member · 404 postsSep 2, 2003 10:32 AM

RE: So, Who's is the right height?

Sorry but the SatanTrain is out of this one

Dr. Satan

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CPR_9102Member since Apr-6-03 · 268 postsSep 12, 2003 10:43 PM

RE: So, Who's is the right height?

Ya that is one thing that tikes me off
But I noticed that a SD70M is higher than a GE so you are good there.What I hate is when everything is different heights, as the MLT/Laggan rolling stock, really well detailed cars right! Now, put there boxcar beside all those new boxcars.... Way to small. So I can't use em cause I use every other boxcar is the right size.I can't wait for those SD70M's, they are very crisp eh, I would have to say it is a huge improvement from the NALW GEAC4400. I use them a lot and dont like the sqareness. But those SD70M's, as a GNR member... I will prolly get hell from my buddies, That is the best SD70M I have yet to see. Good job. Just a question, how is it with 2 on like 110 Svante Wendel cars, fps FPS?Chris Wilson
MP 63 CP's Heron Bay Sub
Marathon, Ontario

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theduke_490Member since May-23-03 · 117 postsSep 13, 2003 5:29 AM

RE: So, Who's is the right height?

I donâ€™t know about the height, but JCâ€™s doeâ€™s not have enough steps. There should
Be 5 steps before you step on to the platform. Iâ€™m just being picky.Jerry

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BN_9402Charter Member · 786 postsSep 13, 2003 2:43 PM

RE: So, Who's is the right height?

>I donâ€™t know about the height, but JCâ€™s doeâ€™s not have
>enough steps. There should
>Be 5 steps before you step on to the platform. Iâ€™m just
>being picky. Nope, you're wrong buddy. The SD70s only have 4 steps. You're thinking of the C44-9Ws.Dude, think before you post. Austin
Midwest Rail Group

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theduke_490Member since May-23-03 · 117 postsSep 13, 2003 2:53 PM

RE: So, Who's is the right height?

Dude, If you look at the first post you will see that the question was about the hieght of JC's dash9 compared to Justin Cornell's dash9. Look at the first screenshot (2 dash9's) count JC's steps and count Justin Cornell's steps. I did not say anything about an sd70.Dude, think before you post
Jerry

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BN_9402Charter Member · 786 postsSep 13, 2003 3:47 PM

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Maybe if you clarified in your original post about which JC you were talking about you wouldn't of gotten this response.Austin
Midwest Rail Group

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theduke_490Member since May-23-03 · 117 postsSep 13, 2003 4:24 PM

RE: So, Who's is the right height?

Austin, we obviously just had a misunderstanding, JC and the rest of the folkâ€™s over at NALW make the best modelâ€™s for MSTS. I was just pointing out the steps on the dash9â€™s.I donâ€™t have a problem with you.Regardâ€™s
Jerry

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theduke_490Member since May-23-03 · 117 postsSep 13, 2003 2:55 PM

RE: So, Who's is the right height?

Btw, My name is not Buddy or Dude.Jerry

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kevarcCharter Member · 5593 postsSep 14, 2003 2:16 AM

RE: So, Who's is the right height?

It should be "not the brightest bulb in the socket."Kevin Arceneaux
DEFAULT IS FOR DUMMIES
Cry havoc and Let slip the dogs of war.
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theduke_490Member since May-23-03 · 117 postsSep 14, 2003 2:26 AM

RE: So, Who's is the right height?

Did I do or say something wrong Kev? You used to help me all the time.
I think I was right. The thing is I was just messin.Jerry

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BNSF4723Charter Member · 1345 postsSep 14, 2003 11:13 PM

RE: So, Who's is the right height?

There was no need for Austin to reply in that way, theres also no need for you to intimidate him Jerry. Theres also no need to flame me for becoming the middle man but I'm sure Austin will flame me.

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