Atlantic continued… again

This is a continuation of "Atlantic continued" and "Atlantic". I have fixed the problems with the gear, and I am in the process of rebuilding the piston rods. I have also replaced the wheels. I am still using the old wheels' threads, but I have replaced the sides with squares. Here are some updated pictures of my progress.mrWM734current project: B&O R.R. "Atlantic"

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I am finnished rebuilding the pistons. Here are some shots of what the Atlantic now looks like. My next job is rebuilding the connecting pin that connects the driverods to the gear.mrWM734current project: B&O R.R. "Atlantic"

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LAST EDITED ON Jul-04-03 AT 03:08 PM (EDT)

I have just come across a couple of pictures of the Atlantic, I suspect that it is the rebuild, and not the original, but it would seem that you could make the gearwheel almost half the size it is at present, and move it down in the frames a bit more. Apart from that, it looks about spot on so far.mervyn@madasafish.com

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You finally caught on, congratulations! I have been making the model off of pictures of the Andrew Jackson, an 1836 locomotive. The original Atlantic was scrapped a long time ago, and the Andrew Jackson was spared, luckily. The Andrew Jackson was modified in 1927 to look like the Atlantic for the Fair of the Iron Horse, so I used that engine for a basis. On a separate note, I just realised that the gear is indeed too big, and I'll fix that right now. I'm going to move it down while I'm at it.mrWM734current project: B&O R.R. "Atlantic"

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I just finnished moving the gear to the correct position. I also moved the rods that are connected to the gear to match up. Here are some shots of what the Atlantic now looks like.mrWM734current project: B&O R.R. "Atlantic"

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Thats coming on nicely once again. Does it test in MSTS OK.mervyn@madasafish.com

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It works fine if I have it just like it is shown. If I add the piston rods back in, I get UID errors.mrWM734current project: B&O R.R. "Atlantic"

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Are you using the old piston rods, and if yes, do they still have animation. If the answer is yes, remove it and try again.
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LAST EDITED ON Jul-06-03 AT 10:07 AM (EDT)

I'm using new ones I made, and they don't have animation. They have a radius of .125, and a height of 4. To save polys, I didn't close in the bottoms of them.mrWM734current project: B&O R.R. "Atlantic"

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LAST EDITED ON Jul-06-03 AT 10:50 AM (EDT)

I have managed to add in one new piston rod sucessfully. I tried to add in a second one, but I got UID errors. Here's what the Atlantic now looks like.mrWM734current project: B&O R.R. "Atlantic"

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Simply make a copy of the one piston you have now.
If you get UID errors after that it is likely you have to go poly hunting again.


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I'll make a copy of it, and see if that works. I'll start reducing the polys by deleting some of the ones that don't show. I'll also eliminate the outer threads on the wheels.mrWM734current project: B&O R.R. "Atlantic"

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I've fixed everything! Now, all I have to do is animate it. Once I do that, the Atlantic will be back to what it was before the UID errors. Here's what it now looks like.mrWM734current project: B&O R.R. "Atlantic"

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Now, let's get back to the topic of animating. I'm adding back in the rotation for the wheels, and the gear. This time, I'll have the gear spinning in the other direction.mrWM734current project: B&O R.R. "Atlantic"

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I've tried adding the rotation back to the wheels and gear, but it doesn't work. When I add the rotation back in, the parts don't move in MSTS.mrWM734current project: B&O R.R. "Atlantic"

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Check that you have the correct names.


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I renamed the wheels to Wheels1 and Wheels2. I also renamed the gear to Wheels3. Despite this, they still don't rotate. When I was renaming them, I made sure to check and see if they were parented to the main part.mrWM734current project: B&O R.R. "Atlantic"

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Name your wheels3 back to gear, and just auto-animate wheels1 and wheels2. Also, make sure that they are in the correct order from front to back or they will not animate. Once they are working, do a manual animation for the gear.mervyn@madasafish.com

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Doing that right now.mrWM734current project: B&O R.R. "Atlantic"

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It didn't work. I'll try again once my teeth stop hurting. Maybe then, I'll be able to concentrate more.mrWM734current project: B&O R.R. "Atlantic"

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Should I use a rotation file for the wheels? I tried using one, but it doesn't work.mrWM734current project: B&O R.R. "Atlantic"

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You can enter it manually in TSM.


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E-mail me please, I can't get the file attachment to work tonight. I'll send you my rot file, it's set for 8 frames.mervyn@madasafish.com

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This is the rot file I'm using, and it doesn't work. I'll send it to you so you can see how it works.Maybe you will be able to tell where the problem is. For everybody else, here's what it looks like. Maybe the problem is that it uses 9 frames instead of 8.TSM Rotation
1;40.0000;0.0000;0.0000;
2;80.0000;0.0000;0.0000;
3;120.0000;0.0000;0.0000;
4;160.0000;0.0000;0.0000;
5;200.0000;0.0000;0.0000;
6;240.0000;0.0000;0.0000;
7;280.0000;0.0000;0.0000;
8;320.0000;0.0000;0.0000;
9;360.0000;0.0000;0.0000;mrWM734current project: B&O R.R. "Atlantic"

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Baldwin, I tried your .rot file, and it still doesn't rotate. Should I set the axis to the origin?mrWM734current project: B&O R.R. "Atlantic"

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I'm out of ideas. What should I do to fix the rotation?mrWM734current project: B&O R.R. "Atlantic"

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Your wheels names are Wheels1 and Wheels2 and they are parented to your main object?
Do the animation manually instead of using the file, rotating 40° for each frame.


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LAST EDITED ON Jul-10-03 AT 04:51 PM (EDT)

How can I manually animate it? I only know how to make a .rot file. Maybe this means using shift + A.mrWM734current project: B&O R.R. "Atlantic"

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Send me your dst, I'll take a look at it.mervyn@madasafish.com

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Okay, I'm sending it to you, Baldwin. Okrasa, do you want to see it too? You asked earlier if you could have a look at it, and I think I'm up to the point of shouting "help". Once again, thanks to the both of you for your guidance with this project.mrWM734current project: B&O R.R. "Atlantic"

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Ok. Got it, and will check it out.mervyn@madasafish.com

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Manual animation is easy either using the part properties dialog or the 'Ani' button in the toolbar.
Feel free to mail the project to me for a second opinion.


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Okrasa, I've sent you the same .dst file I sent Baldwin. For some odd reason, Baldwin's animation didn't work right. Maybe I'll have to remove the small gear from the first set of wheels.mrWM734current project: B&O R.R. "Atlantic"

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Mike, you've got mail.
Should get you rolling now.


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Thanks, Okrasa and Baldwin. Both of you noticed the type of object was wrong. I didn't even know that you could choose what type. Also, Thanks also for fixing the wheel rotation. I'll remove the small gear, and replace it like I did with the big gear. While I'm at it, I'll eliminate the non-used points. I'm also going to replace the threads of the wheels and fix the parenting. After I do all of that, I'm going to take a well deserved break for about a week. I need some time to relax because I've been working on this project non-stop since about April. Thanks for the help.mrWM734current project: B&O R.R. "Atlantic"

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There is only one part to parent, one of the tubes. I have converted your file to the sim and run it without any errors, and wheels rotating. You have done a great job so far, and deserve a break, thats a long time to wrestle with problems.mervyn@madasafish.com

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I now have an Atlantic with rotating wheels and gears. Now, all I have to do is link the rotation to the movement of the engine. As of now, I'm on my well deserved break, and I'll be relaxing for a little over a week.mrWM734current project: B&O R.R. "Atlantic"

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I'm back. I had a nice relaxing break, and I'm ready to get back to work. How should I link the wheel rotation to the moving over the rails?mrWM734current project: B&O R.R. "Atlantic"

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If you have applied the animation in TSM the transfer to MSTS will automatically ensure that the wheels rotate as the engine moves along.mervyn@madasafish.com

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I exported it, and it has the wheels constantly rotating instead of moving with the rails.mrWM734current projects:
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Did you export it as Anim Scenery, or Locomotive. If it was the second option then the wheels will not rotate until the engine moves.mervyn@madasafish.com

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How do you choose which you export it as? What I did was I exported it to the NEC v4.0, and moved the .s file into the locomotive's folder. I won't get to test it in MSTS again untill I get MSTS working again. The last time I tried to run MSTS, the window popped up for only a second before closing automatically. I've tried re-installing it, but it has showed no sucess.mrWM734current projects:
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I just fixed MSTS, and I'm going to try re-exporting it now.mrWM734current projects:
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It worked, and the wheels now rotate correctly. I've now added on pop valves to the atlantic, and I'm sending the new .s file to Jonatan so he can move the steam to the correct position.mrW734current projects:
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>current project: B&O R.R. "Atlantic"
If I'm not mistaken, that locomotive is resting in Chicago's museum of science and industry

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The original? I thought it was scrapped a long time ago. I have seen another original grasshopper engine painted up to be the Atlantic, but I have not seen the original.mrWM734current project: B&O R.R. "Atlantic"

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Hi!There is a grasshopper underwater in a submerged
quarry outside of Baltimore. I used to do sonar
work there, and the stack was sticking out of
the water. The engine was still on the rails when
the quarry flooded, and it was never recovered.Tony Burzio
san Diego, CA

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Wow! Was it the type with a wooden cab? I can't wait to see it out of the water. What town was the quarry in?mrWM734current projects:
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Check your mail, edited .eng file is waiting. /JonatanSteam rules!

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Got it, and it works great. Here's a pic so everyone can see what the pop valves look like.mrWM734current projects:
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Hehe. I'm proud to anounce that I'm back in the project. /JonatanSteam rules!

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You were never out. Your area of expertise just wasn't involved with our latest work.mrWM734current projects:
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OK. If you need more .eng-file help or painting the engine, just hollar./JonatanSteam rules!

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The only .eng file help I can think of that we haven't covered would be more realistic physics. I also am not sure of how to make working couplers.mrWM734current projects:
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Couplers dont work in the normal sense of the word. If you look at various models you will see that UK chain coupled stock has no visible coupler, while stock with automatic couplers has a visible but fixed item. The actual copuling of cars and engines is controlled from within the eng file. So all you need to do is make a coupling to fit on your engine, or not as the case may be.mervyn@madasafish.com

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What I'm trying to do is make working link and pin couplers. I'll probably have the properties of them the same as automatic couplers, but with a different shape.mrWM734current projects:
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Jonatan, are you up to the challenge of moving the place where the engine couples? If you are, can you make them couple at the link and pin couplers I put on the atlantic?mrWM734current projects:
B&O R.R. "Atlantic"
B&O R.R. #25 "William Mason"

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Sure thing, it will be an easy task. Hit me with it! /JonatanSteam rules!

My E-mail jonatan.gronoset@telia.com

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Thanks.mrWM734current projects:
B&O R.R. "Atlantic"
B&O R.R. #25 "William Mason"

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Jonatan, you said "hit me with it". Is there anything I need to send you?mrWM734current projects:
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Oh ya, I forgot I already had the .eng file. Sorry 'bout that. You better try to fix the animation problems, and you'll soon have a .eng file in your inbox./JonatanSteam rules!

My E-mail jonatan.gronoset@telia.com

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Thanks, I got the .eng file. What animation problems are you talking about? I know that I haven't animated the drive rods, but all the stuff I have gotten animated should work properly. Currently, the wheels and the gears are boxes. I'll fix that later when I texture them.mrWM734current projects:
B&O R.R. "Atlantic"
B&O R.R. #25 "William Mason"

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I meant the animation of the rods. It'll be intresting to see that work. Is the coupling length to your satisfaction?/JonatanSteam rules!

My E-mail jonatan.gronoset@telia.com

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It's perfect. I was able to couple up to some cars, dump them, and couple back up to them. It looks funny when I have the Atlantic pulling B&O hoppers that are 4 feet taller than it.(maybe that's just me)mrWM734current projects:
B&O R.R. "Atlantic"
B&O R.R. #25 "William Mason"

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Now that I have some of other stuff taken care of, maybe now I can animate the driverods. I'll start with the piston rods first. To get the motion of going up and down 2 feet, what should I enter in the .mot file?mrWM734current projects:
B&O R.R. "Atlantic"
B&O R.R. #25 "William Mason"

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I never did any animation with v1, so dont know how it is done, but I do have v1.1 and all manual animation is done through the Anim button on the toolbar, and is quite easy to do, once you get the method right, and this produces the .mot for you.Having had a look at the .dst you sent over the best point to start is from the gearwheel, and work backwards in the order, gearrod, driverod, pistonrod. This will make sure that all motion matches that of the gearwheel. You can get a free update to TSM v1.1 from here http://trainsimulatorworld.com/share/ just follow the link to Trainsim Modeller and look for the 1.1 update. Its about 11mb and will require the input of your product keycode to use it.mervyn@madasafish.com

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I looked, and I can't find the link for the update. Can you post a more direct link to it?mrWM734current projects:
B&O R.R. "Atlantic"
B&O R.R. #25 "William Mason"

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Sorry, the link on the page does not generate a URL. However if you go to the Trainsim Modeller page there is a box which has this at the top Do you need more detailed information?
Train Sim Modeler has a host of powerful features for making Train Simulator accessories. The latest Version 1.1 is a significant update which makes this software even easier to use. To see examples of these designs or to find out more about Train Sim Modeler, please click here.Just click on the words (please click here) and you will be taken to the next page, where you will find the download link at the bottom.mervyn@madasafish.com

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Thanks, I'll check that out now.mrWM734current projects:
B&O R.R. "Atlantic"
B&O R.R. #25 "William Mason"

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I just got the update. What's my next step?mrWM734current projects:
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B&O R.R. #25 "William Mason"

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First of all, make a copy of all your projects in case something happens to them. If you have lost your registration key try looking in the Help menu of your current version or search the registry using abacus as the keyword. In mine it is found under HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\ABACUS\TSMODELER and is the line labelled FlagsRun the file AbacusTSM.exe which starts the InstallShield installation. You must type your personalized registration key into the Serial: field during installation.

Carefully review the ReadMe file for any last minute notes. mervyn@madasafish.com

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When I said that I got the update, I meant that I had installed it. I found the registration key in the help bar when I installed the update.mrWM734current projects:
B&O R.R. "Atlantic"
B&O R.R. #25 "William Mason"

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Aha. That makes a difference. To animate an item in v1.1 you first of all select it and then click the Anim button on the taskbar. A new small window pops up with a slider and two buttons, Motion and Rotation. There is also a "window" with the number of frames in it.For simple to-fro movement you use the Motion button, and for movement that is to-fro and includes some rotation you use both, set the Motion first and the Rotation second. The most essential thing to do first of all is to set the part in the first position and set the first and last frames in that position so you get a smooth transition. Then move the slider back to the start and then on to the first frame. Move the part to the next position and click Motion. If you need to include an element of rotation to the part make sure that you set it into the position that it will be in for the frame and then click Motion and Rotation in that order. Continue with this until you have done the next to last frame.It seems difficult at first, but as you learn how to, it gets easy. It also beats trying to hand write a .rot or .mot file/mervyn@madasafish.com

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I'll try doing that now.mrWM734current projects:
B&O R.R. "Atlantic"
B&O R.R. #25 "William Mason"

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I just realized that I need to figure out the height that the pistons will move. If I don't figure that out, I won't be able to determine the intervals that I should put inbetween the frames. I think the height that the pistons move is about 1 foot, but I'm not sure. Does that sound about right?mrWM734current projects:
B&O R.R. "Atlantic"
B&O R.R. #25 "William Mason"

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For the purposes of animation of this engine it is probably best to start with the rod that connects the gear to the driverod. The reason for this is that the up-down movement of the top end of this rod will determine how far the piston rod moves. The bottom end will have to rotate in synch with the gearwheel. The best way to deal with this problem is to make a very small tube or box to use as a marker and make it a part of the gear, placing it where the bottom of the rod is when in frame 0 and 8. Click the Anim button and if the rod is in the correct starting position click the Motion and Rotation buttons in that order. Move the slider to the other end and click those buttons again in the order Motion and Rotation. That sets the first and last frame in the same position.Now go back to frame 1 and reposition the rod so that the bottom is on the marker and the top is in line with the driverod. You will have to use the straight and the curved arrow buttons to do this, remember to lock the axis that you do not want to move in each case. When happy with the position of the rod click Motion then Rotation. Work your way round following the marker until you have done frame 7 and the animation of the first part is complete. Now do the same for the associated driverod this time making the moving end match the height of the end of the gear rod for each frame. Finally you can do the piston rod with a simple up and down Motion only this time, making the top end match the driverod movement. That completes the animation of one side. Convert it to MSTS and take it for a run and note anything that needs adjusting. Back into TSM and fine tune if needed. When it is OK, go do the other side.mervyn@madasafish.com

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OK. I'll try doing that. I think I'm starting to understand how the animate and rotate buttons work. It makes sense to start there because I will be able to base all the other parts off of the motion of the top.mrWM734current projects:
B&O R.R. "Atlantic"
B&O R.R. #25 "William Mason"

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I've started doing the rotation and motion for the rod that connects the gear and the driverod. I'm having a little trouble figuring out how to rotate it while it's moving, but otherwise I'm doing good with it.mrWM734
HELP OUT THE B&O Roundhouse Restoration Fund at www.borail.orggroup project: B&O 1800's pack

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Help! I tried to open TSM, and I got this message.mrWM734
HELP OUT THE B&O Roundhouse Restoration Fund at www.borail.orggroup project: B&O 1800's pack

Attachments

http://www.train-sim.com/dcforum/User_files/3f30018f4b4b920c.jpg

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I usually get that if I have something else using DirectX at the same time. TSM likes it all to itself. It should still open, but not display in the perspective window until it has access to DirectX.mervyn@madasafish.com

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I'll try restarting my computer, and see if that helps.mrWM734
HELP OUT THE B&O Roundhouse Restoration Fund at www.borail.orggroup project: B&O 1800's pack

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It didn't work. I'll try closing other programs, and see what's hogging DirectX.mrWM734
HELP OUT THE B&O Roundhouse Restoration Fund at www.borail.orggroup project: B&O 1800's pack

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If that fails, move your projects folders somewhere safe, and delete TSM. Reinstall the original, then the update, check it out, and if is OK move the project folders back in.mervyn@madasafish.com

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I'll re-install it. I'll have to make sure to copy the registration number.mrWM734
HELP OUT THE B&O Roundhouse Restoration Fund at www.borail.orggroup project: B&O 1800's pack

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Nevermind, I got it working without re-instaling.mrWM734
HELP OUT THE B&O Roundhouse Restoration Fund at www.borail.orggroup project: B&O 1800's pack

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Now that I have it working again, I can qwork on the animation some more.mrWM734
HELP OUT THE B&O Roundhouse Restoration Fund at www.borail.orggroup project: B&O 1800's pack

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Glad you got running again without a re-install. Look forward to seeing the anim.mervyn@madasafish.com

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So do I. I've had an interresting time juggling between this and my other projects. That's why I haven't gotten to update as often. The B&O 1800's pack is starting to look better by the day.mrWM734
HELP OUT THE B&O Roundhouse Restoration Fund at www.borail.orggroup project: B&O 1800's pack

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Yes, I've seen that pack in another thread. Your William Mason looks pretty good.mervyn@madasafish.com

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Thanks. That engine's mainly the reason I haven't worked on the Atlantic as often. I'm also working on a little extra surprise to go with our work. It'll be great.mrWM734
HELP OUT THE B&O Roundhouse Restoration Fund at www.borail.orggroup project: B&O 1800's pack

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OK. It is not an easy thing to grasp at first. The motion is the up-down movement of the rod and the Rotation is the movement of the bottom end as it follows the gearwheel round in a circle. If you look at any steam engine that has outside cylinders the rod that connects the cylinder to the drive rods on the wheels has the action that you are looking for. The end nearest the wheels would be the bottom of your rod and the end by the piston is equal to the top of your rod You just have to translate that action from the horizontal into the near vertical of your model. mervyn@madasafish.com

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Jonatan, can you do me a favor please? I somehow accidentally created a new .eng file when I was exporting, and I lost yours. Can you send it to me again? Thanks.mrWM734
HELP OUT THE B&O Roundhouse Restoration Fund at www.borail.orggroup project: B&O 1800's pack

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I really need the .eng file to test the Atlantic.mrWM734
HELP OUT THE B&O Roundhouse Restoration Fund at www.borail.orggroup project: B&O 1800's pack

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Thanks Jonatan and Baldwin, I got it.mrWM734
HELP OUT THE B&O Roundhouse Restoration Fund at www.borail.orggroup project: B&O 1800's pack

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I'm starting a new post. This one has gotten too long. I'll post some more progress tomorrow.mrWM734
HELP OUT THE B&O Roundhouse Restoration Fund at www.borail.orggroup project: B&O 1800's pack

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