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mrWM734Member since Apr-29-03 · 160 posts

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I've created a .s file for the Atlantic, and I've hit a bump in the road. I've created a temporary .eng file for the engine, and created a consist. When I try to run the consist, MSTS doesn't like it. However, when I test the engine in conbuilder, conbuilder says the engine's fine. How can I fix this?mrWM734current project: B&O R.R. "Atlantic"

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baldwinCharter Member · 577 posts

RE: Atlantic continued

When you export the engine from TSM to MSTS, do you see any errors in the message box that pops up when finished.mervyn@madasafish.com

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mrWM734Member since Apr-29-03 · 160 posts

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I didn't see any errors in the message. I'll post the exact message box in a few minutes.mrWM734project: B&O R.R. "Atlantic"

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JonatanCharter Member · 937 posts

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mrWM734,I read your old post and I must say that you have made considerable progress, good work! I will be looking forward to this marvelous locomotive.I wish you luck in this project./JonatanSteam rules!Atlantic continued – image 5

My E-mail jonatan.gronoset@telia.com

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mrWM734Member since Apr-29-03 · 160 posts

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Jonathan, thanks for the compliments. I still have to texture the loco, and add on all the bells and whistles(literally). I hope to have it finnished sometime in the near future, but I don't have any idea how long it will take. My current goal is to have it done before the year is over. I might have to wait a while to get the textures. I will need to go to the B&O R.R. Museum to get pictures of the engine, and they won't open back up until the roundhouse roof is fixed.mrWM734current project: B&O R.R. "Atlantic"

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mrWM734Member since Apr-29-03 · 160 posts

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LAST EDITED ON Jun-19-03 AT 02:21 PM (EDT)

Okay. How do I do that? I don't see that option in the export to MSTS option box.mrWM734current project: B&O R.R. "Atlantic"

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mrWM734Member since Apr-29-03 · 160 posts

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Okrasa, that was one of the problems, but I still get the "send/don't send" message. I will definately need to reduce the # of polygons. I'm starting with the wheels.mrWM734current project: B&O R.R. "Atlantic"

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mrWM734Member since Apr-29-03 · 160 posts

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Which menu is the compression option under? The poly count is:
before conversion- 2533
after conversion- 6782
Does it seem high? I plan on reducing the number of polys in the boiler.mrWM734current project: B&O R.R. "Atlantic"

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mrWM734Member since Apr-29-03 · 160 posts

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Okay, I'll reduce the polygons. Just as a fair warning, it might take a while for me to do this.mrWM734
current project: B&O R.R. "Atlantic"

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JonatanCharter Member · 937 posts

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LAST EDITED ON Jun-20-03 AT 02:08 AM (EDT)

"Patience is a virtue." Take your time and don't rush, we'll wait.Take it cool dude!/JonatanSteam rules!Atlantic continued – image 22

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mrWM734Member since Apr-29-03 · 160 posts

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I'm Taking one right now. I've started reducing the polys in the wheel threads. That should make a big difference.mrWM734current project: B&O R.R. "Atlantic"

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mrWM734Member since Apr-29-03 · 160 posts

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LAST EDITED ON Jun-20-03 AT 02:10 PM (EDT)

Here are the new specs for the loco. The poly count is now:
before conversion- 2323 polygons
after conversion- 6350 polygons
Here is what it now looks like.mrWM734current project: B&O R.R. "Atlantic"

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mrWM734Member since Apr-29-03 · 160 posts

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After fixing the # of polys, I exported it again. It now works in MSTS! the only problem is that I now have to animate it. The engine shows up with the handrails level with the rails. I'll post some screenshots soon.mrWM734current project: B&O R.R. "Atlantic"

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OkrasaGhiaCharter Member · 1002 posts

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LAST EDITED ON Jun-20-03 AT 05:05 PM (EDT)

Nice!
To cure the position problem you should check your main objects axis location. Select it and then select the menu Part/Center Axis/To Origin. You might have to make some small adjustments but it should be close to correct after that.There are some areas in the engine where it looks like you have used lots of polys. The boiler only needs one height segment, wheel axels don't need that many if you use smothing. Biggest saving potential though has the drive train and pistons. Another saving option is to remove polygons that will never be seen like ends of objects that are flat to another object, only smal saving for each but together it makes up.For the animation you should name the wheel sets Wheels1 & Wheels2, although it sounds strange the driving rods should be child objects of the wheels or they will not animate properly. 9 animation frames with 40° wheel rotation for each frame, first and last frame the same. Unfortunately TSM will only show animation for one part at a time, make frequent exports and check it in MSTS to get the full picture.


//Okrasa
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mrWM734Member since Apr-29-03 · 160 posts

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LAST EDITED ON Jun-21-03 AT 10:51 AM (EDT)

I have bad news. I replaced the boiler, and centered the main part's axis to the origin, and MSTS doesn't like the engine anymore. I'm trying to reduce the polys to see if that will help. On a somewhat better note, the last time the engine worked in MSTS, the gear and axle were animated properly. I'm still trying to fix some things, and I'll post my progress again soon.mrWM734current project: B&O R.R. "Atlantic"

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mrWM734Member since Apr-29-03 · 160 posts

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LAST EDITED ON Jun-21-03 AT 04:07 PM (EDT)

Fixing that right now. I previousely had them all like that, so I'll change them back.mrWM734current project: B&O R.R. "Atlantic"

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OkrasaGhiaCharter Member · 1002 posts

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The rods and such should not be linked directly to main but to the wheels or you will not be able to animate them correctly.
There is no need for every part to be linked directly to main as long as main is at the end of the parent links.


//Okrasa
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mrWM734Member since Apr-29-03 · 160 posts

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LAST EDITED ON Jun-21-03 AT 04:49 PM (EDT)

In between the time I said I would fix it, and the time you replied, I had already gotten the Engine to work in MSTS. I'll change the things you mentioned, and export it again. Luckily, the way I have the parts linged, the gear and its axle rotate correctly. Here is what the Atlantic currently looks like in MSTS! The second picture is the heads-out cabview. How can I lower it?mrWM734current project: B&O R.R. "Atlantic"

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JonatanCharter Member · 937 posts

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mrWM734,If it isn't all to big then you could send me the shape files and the .eng file and I could add smoke and correct the headout view.
I'd be happy to give you a hand, just send it to my E-mail adress./JonatanSteam rules!Atlantic continued – image 48

My E-mail jonatan.gronoset@telia.com

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mrWM734Member since Apr-29-03 · 160 posts

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I'll gladly let you tweak that once I have final copies of the .s file and the .eng file. I modified the .eng file from the c16 tank engine in the file library so I could have realistic physics, and not need a tender.mrWM734current project: B&O R.R. "Atlantic"

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mrWM734Member since Apr-29-03 · 160 posts

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I'm sending them to you now. Keep in mind that I still have to properly animate the pistons.mrWM734current project: B&O R.R. "Atlantic"

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mrWM734Member since Apr-29-03 · 160 posts

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Files sent. I put them in a .zip file so it would take quicker to attach. Have fun.mrWM734current project: B&O R.R. "Atlantic"

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mrWM734Member since Apr-29-03 · 160 posts

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Wow! Great job! Nice work with the passenger view, It looks awesome!
Here's a shot of it I took in MSTS with the cylinder cocks open, and going full throttle. Now all I need to do is add the whistle, bell, and pop valve to the .s file. Thanks a whole bunch.mrWM734current project: B&O R.R. "Atlantic"

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mrWM734Member since Apr-29-03 · 160 posts

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Jonathan, I just sent you an updated .s file. I've added on the whistle, and the inlet to the water tank. Thanks for all your help.mrWM734current project: B&O R.R. "Atlantic"

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JonatanCharter Member · 937 posts

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LAST EDITED ON Jun-22-03 AT 03:39 PM (EDT)

I wish that you could focus on the animation of the rods. I realy would like to see how that looks. Great job! /JonatanSteam rules!Atlantic continued – image 63

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mrWM734Member since Apr-29-03 · 160 posts

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That's my next step. I'm postponing the bell and pop valves for later. I have the rods set up for motion, and all I have to do is change their part parents. The rods that are connected to the boiler will require both animation and rotation.mrWM734current project: B&O R.R. "Atlantic"

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mrWM734Member since Apr-29-03 · 160 posts

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I've tried to export it again, and when I change the part parents, MSTS gives me a fit. I made sure that the parts all have one common granddaddy part, but I still get the "error: no error" message.mrWM734current project: B&O R.R. "Atlantic"

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mrWM734Member since Apr-29-03 · 160 posts

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I still can't figure out wht my TSM doesn't like the hierarchy the way it is. I have the wheels' part parents the main part of the body, and I have the piston rods' part parents the wheels. I am out of ideas as to what's wrong.mrWM734current project: B&O R.R. "Atlantic"

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baldwinCharter Member · 577 posts

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I'm not sure that you can have anything parented to the wheels. Try the piston rods as child of main.mervyn@madasafish.com

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mrWM734Member since Apr-29-03 · 160 posts

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That explains a lot. I thought that parenting the rods to the wheels, that I would have them animated properly. I'll fix that, and have that finished soon. My next step is animating the drive rods that are connected to the boiler. I think they'll require both animation and rotation.mrWM734current project: B&O R.R. "Atlantic"

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mrWM734Member since Apr-29-03 · 160 posts

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I now have the rods moving in the passenger view, but not the main views. What can I do to fix the movement of those rods? These pictures show what I'm talking about. The first one is from yhe passenger view, and the second one is from the outside #2 view.mrWM734current project: B&O R.R. "Atlantic"

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mrWM734Member since Apr-29-03 · 160 posts

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I'm going over the motion files for the piston rods, and I'm wondering if this would work for the motion files. The rod's orininal coordinates before animating are x (-1.75),y (4.75),and z (2).TSM Motion
1;-1.7500;4.7500;2.0000;
2;-1.7500;5.0000;2.0000;
3;-1.7500;5.2500;2.0000;
4;-1.7500;5.5000;2.0000;
5;-1.7500;5.7500;2.0000;
6;-1.7500;5.5000;2.0000;
7;-1.7500;5.2500;2.0000;
8;-1.7500;5.0000;2.0000;
9;-1.7500;4.7500;2.0000;I know I'll have to change it for the second piston rod, but I was wondering if that was right for the first piston rod. For the second piston rod, I just need to change the x-coordinate to 1.75feet instead of -1.75 feetmrWM734current project: B&O R.R. "Atlantic"

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baldwinCharter Member · 577 posts

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Lets see now. Looking at one side of the engine we have a piston rod that goes up and down, that is pure motion. Next we have a connecting beam which pivots abouts it's cener or thereabouts, again, motion. Now we have the connecting rod from the beam to the gear wheel, or something like that. This is motion+rotation. Each part has to be animated individually.Now to the motion file, as long as both rods are moving up and down at the same time there should be no problem, just remember to name the file slightly different for the left and right hand rods. mervyn@madasafish.com

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mrWM734Member since Apr-29-03 · 160 posts

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That's what I figured. Is there a special name I should give it for MSTS to aniate it properly?mrWM734current project: B&O R.R. "Atlantic"

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baldwinCharter Member · 577 posts

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No special name needed, except for wheels. Whatever name you have given to the part will be used to identify the motion/rotation for that part. However, once you have animated a part do not rename it, or you will have to redo the animation, and re-export the model to check it in the sim.mervyn@madasafish.com

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mrWM734Member since Apr-29-03 · 160 posts

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LAST EDITED ON Jun-25-03 AT 05:19 PM (EDT)

I tried fixing the animation, but it still doesn't animate. Okrasa had mentioned something about linking the pistons to the wheels to have them animate. How do I do that?mrWM734current project: B&O R.R. "Atlantic"

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