NSWPTC 421 class Diesel Electric update

Here are the first screen shots of the New South Wales Public Transport Commission 421 class diesel electrics built by Clyde Engineering.Most of the work on the number two end cab is finished, and I'm now working on the sides, and am up to the useless automatic staff exchanger (useless because half the time, the staff ended up in two pieces on the track ). I am yet to add the mirrors on the side, and the pilot is just blank.Anyway, enough from me....


I look forward to the odd PTC of NSW 421 and VR S working together.
PS: The white is an undercoat.Projects
- 421 class Public Transport Commission of New South Wales diesel electircs:
Roof - 90%
No. 2 end - 88% (MU sockets, pilot details and number boards/headlights need to be added)
No. 1 end - 05% (Headlight & handrails are on)
Overall - 11.2%
- 422 class New South Wales Government Railways diesel electircs:
On the drawing boards for a project after the 421's.
Overall - Not official

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RE: NSWPTC 421 class Diesel Electric update., Tecoa, Feb-11-03, 11:39 AM, (1) RE: NSWPTC 421 class Diesel Electric update., Aussie Cow, Feb-11-03, 11:18 PM, (2) RE: NSWPTC 421 class Diesel Electric update., ASR_Q301, Feb-12-03, 04:23 AM, (3) RE: NSWPTC 421 class Diesel Electric update., Aussie Cow, Feb-12-03, 04:40 AM, (4) RE: NSWPTC 421 class Diesel Electric update., Magick_maker, Feb-12-03, 05:36 PM, (5) RE: NSWPTC 421 class Diesel Electric update., Aussie Cow, Feb-12-03, 06:42 PM, (6) RE: NSWPTC 421 class Diesel Electric update., nadnerb1982, Feb-13-03, 04:00 PM, (10) RE: NSWPTC 421 class Diesel Electric update., nadnerb1982, Feb-13-03, 04:10 PM, (11) RE: NSWPTC 421 class Diesel Electric update., Aussie Cow, Feb-13-03, 11:29 PM, (12) RE: NSWPTC 421 class Diesel Electric update., VRfan, Feb-14-03, 01:44 AM, (13) RE: NSWPTC 421 class Diesel Electric update., Aussie Cow, Feb-14-03, 02:20 AM, (14) RE: NSWPTC 421 class Diesel Electric update., VRfan, Feb-14-03, 04:40 AM, (15) RE: NSWPTC 421 class Diesel Electric update., Aussie Cow, Feb-14-03, 04:49 AM, (16) RE: NSWPTC 421 class Diesel Electric update., Magick_maker, Feb-14-03, 09:01 AM, (18) RE: NSWPTC 421 class Diesel Electric update., Aussie Cow, Feb-13-03, 03:46 AM, (7) RE: NSWPTC 421 class Diesel Electric update., tecoa, Feb-14-03, 08:59 AM, (17) IGNORE THIS POST, Aussie Cow, Feb-13-03, 05:07 AM, (8) RE: NSWPTC 421 class Diesel Electric update., jonathanmlewis, Feb-13-03, 11:52 AM, (9)

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Hi,that's what I like to see progress.
--AN GM27--

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Yep, I'm plodding along.Projects
- 421 class Public Transport Commission of New South Wales diesel electircs:
Roof - 90%
No. 2 end - 88% (MU sockets, pilot details and number boards/headlights need to be added)
No. 1 end - 05% (Headlight & handrails are on)
Overall - 11.2%
- 422 class New South Wales Government Railways diesel electircs:
On the drawing boards for a project after the 421's.
Overall - Not official

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those things are looking hot!! - well done!i should post my 82 class sometime hey?cheers
mike

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Hot, hotter when they get a nose. I just finished working on the two hour buffer job!!! At least I don't have to do it again, and they look really nice. However the model already comes in at 3300 polys, 750 of which are in the wheels and bogies, I should be able to cut some of them out. I plan for the nose and no. 1 cab to add about 3000 - 3500 polys, and for the model to come in anywhere from 8000 - 10,000 polys. Is 8,000 - 10,000 polys a good amount for a loco with the EMD nose?
Anyway, in other news, my girl is back at school (much to her dislike), she had breathing problems from what she tells me. I also have a 1000 word report to do for commerce.Cheers.Projects
- 421 class Public Transport Commission of New South Wales diesel electircs:
Roof - 90%
No. 2 end - 88% (MU sockets, pilot details and number boards/headlights need to be added)
No. 1 end - 05% (Headlight & handrails are on)
Overall - 11.2%
- 422 class New South Wales Government Railways diesel electircs:
On the drawing boards for a project after the 421's.
Overall - Not official

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*Laughs* 10k poly? wow. I really have to work on my models. Thing is, I read somewhere that msts is smart enough to know which polys can't be seen, and doesn't render them. I've got two cars which are over 40k polys each and I've never had a slow down using them. I wonder if maybe deleting polys isn't wholly needed.

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MSTS being smart? :S I might just add a few thousand more polys if that is the case...Projects
- 421 class Public Transport Commission of New South Wales diesel electircs:
Roof - 90%
No. 2 end - 88% (MU sockets, pilot details and number boards/headlights need to be added)
No. 1 end - 05% (Headlight & handrails are on)
Overall - 11.2%
- 422 class New South Wales Government Railways diesel electircs:
On the drawing boards for a project after the 421's.
Overall - Not official

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Unfortunately MSTS is not that smart. The polygons are there, as can be seen when you use camhack and the camera goes inside the train.

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A hint for polygon reduction: What shapes are you using for small pipes/handrails? In mine, I usually use triangular prisms (a tube with 3 sides in TSM) for the small rails (such as the window guards on the 620/720) and pentagons (tubes with 5 sides) with polygon smoothing for larger rails and tubes. If its only got a 3cm diameter, a triangle with smoothing will suffice. Just a suggestion. Your model is coming along very well, good to see. a 10K+ polygon count for a bulldog nose is pretty normal - I think the B's have something like 18000 dont they?

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I thought the B's had around 16,000 polys, which would be roughly 6000 - 7000 polys each nose. Only James will be able to tell us.I'm using five-sided cylinders with the ends missing for almost everything, I've found that when I tried the triangle method that they didn't look round enough, even with smoothing however this might be a slight downfall of G-Max.
The poly count is up around 3750 at the moment, however that inclues most of the handrails, sanding pipes, double sealed headlight, roof detail (the roof is in my view the best part of the loco at the moment) and an almost complete number two end.At the moment my focus has turned to the nose, which might mean a couple of late nights. I'll get there in the end.Cheers.Projects
- 421 class Public Transport Commission of New South Wales diesel electircs:
Roof - 90%
No. 2 end - 88% (MU sockets, pilot details and number boards/headlights need to be added)
No. 1 end - 05% (Headlight & handrails are on)
Overall - 11.2%
- 422 class New South Wales Government Railways diesel electircs:
On the drawing boards for a project after the 421's.
Overall - Not official

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LAST EDITED ON Feb-14-03 AT 01:48 AM (EDT)

My bulldogs range from 9027 polys for the original S to 10566 polys for the modern B.--Victorian Railfan Web Site:
http://www.railpage.org.au/vr/Australian Bulldogs for MSTS! B, S & CR GM now available! AN GM coming soon...

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Cool, so a poly count of around 10000 for the 421 which is a double ended loco would be about right.Any chance of telling me roughly how many polys the nose and cab add up to?Projects
- 421 class Public Transport Commission of New South Wales diesel electircs:
Roof - 90%
No. 2 end - 88% (MU sockets, pilot details and number boards/headlights need to be added)
No. 1 end - 05% (Headlight & handrails are on)
Overall - 11.2%
- 422 class New South Wales Government Railways diesel electircs:
On the drawing boards for a project after the 421's.
Overall - Not official

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>Any chance of telling me roughly how many polys the nose and
>cab add up to? 858--Victorian Railfan Web Site:
http://www.railpage.org.au/vr/Australian Bulldogs for MSTS! B, S & CR GM now available! AN GM coming soon...

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Ummmmmmmmm.... WOW!!!
Anyway, I've asked way too much of you, I better get cracking on the model. I'm in the middle of giving it fuel and air tanks + tubing, currently weighing at 410 polys, I know it is a lot but it a work in progress and *shudders* it will only increase. Projects
- 421 class Public Transport Commission of New South Wales diesel electircs:
Roof - 90%
No. 2 end - 88% (MU sockets, pilot details and number boards/headlights need to be added)
No. 1 end - 05% (Headlight & handrails are on)
Overall - 11.2%
- 422 class New South Wales Government Railways diesel electircs:
On the drawing boards for a project after the 421's.
Overall - Not official

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heh. I went back and checked and it seems that when I used the polycounter, it was counting the polys for all the LOD levels. The straight model (no lod levels) itself is only 14k polys. (Or there abouts)

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Just thought I'd drop you a quick line saying that I've started the nose of the 421, with the headlight, handrails and buffers. From the right angle it looks quite nice. Tonight I hope to get a door on it, pilot, maybe part of the number one end cab and do some more work on the number two end.Projects
- 421 class Public Transport Commission of New South Wales diesel electircs:
Roof - 90%
No. 2 end - 88% (MU sockets, pilot details and number boards/headlights need to be added)
No. 1 end - 05% (Headlight & handrails are on)
Overall - 11.2%
- 422 class New South Wales Government Railways diesel electircs:
On the drawing boards for a project after the 421's.
Overall - Not official

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Hi,sounds like I have to make room on my roster shortly for the 421's,
and that's NOT a problem.

--AN GM27--

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LAST EDITED ON Feb-13-03 AT 05:08 AM (EDT)

IGNORE THIS POST, the post was made by accident so please ignore this.Projects
- 421 class Public Transport Commission of New South Wales diesel electircs:
Roof - 90%
No. 2 end - 88% (MU sockets, pilot details and number boards/headlights need to be added)
No. 1 end - 05% (Headlight & handrails are on)
Overall - 11.2%
- 422 class New South Wales Government Railways diesel electircs:
On the drawing boards for a project after the 421's.
Overall - Not official

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Looking great. Keep up that good work.
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Jonathan Lewis
jonathanmlewis@msn.com
Building NG route from Ouray,Co to Pacerville, Co. Track laying complete. Now doing river, road and forest placing. Overall 60% complete.
Also building Cripple Creek line and other RR's around Gold Hill route.

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