Tough Repaint! Any takers?

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Here is the Verde Canyon Railroad's FP7's, does anyone want to attempt a repaint?

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RE: Tough Repaint! Any takers?, jtsdadinaz, Nov-05-02, 01:38 PM, (1) RE: Tough Repaint! Any takers?, Hack, Nov-05-02, 03:31 PM, (2) RE: Tough Repaint! Any takers?, TexasWestern70Mac, Nov-05-02, 03:37 PM, (3) RE: Tough Repaint! Any takers?, darkfyre, Nov-06-02, 06:03 PM, (20) Very odd, stationmaster, Nov-05-02, 11:58 PM, (16) RE: Tough Repaint! Any takers?, NoMoreTrains, Nov-05-02, 03:50 PM, (4) RE: Tough Repaint! Any takers?, TexasWestern70Mac, Nov-05-02, 03:55 PM, (5) RE: Tough Repaint! Any takers?, stephenburr, Nov-05-02, 04:39 PM, (6) RE: Tough Repaint! Any takers?, jtsdadinaz, Nov-05-02, 04:44 PM, (7) RE: Tough Repaint! Any takers?, Hack, Nov-05-02, 07:20 PM, (8) RE: Tough Repaint! Any takers?, Lone_Gunman_SG, Nov-05-02, 07:25 PM, (9) RE: Tough Repaint! Any takers?, Hack, Nov-05-02, 07:40 PM, (10) RE: Tough Repaint! Any takers?, TexasWestern70Mac, Nov-05-02, 07:50 PM, (11) RE: Tough Repaint! Any takers?, Hack, Nov-05-02, 08:03 PM, (12) RE: Tough Repaint! Any takers?, TexasWestern70Mac, Nov-05-02, 08:21 PM, (13) RE: Tough Repaint! Any takers?, riograndedude, Nov-05-02, 08:23 PM, (14) RE: Tough Repaint! Any takers?, Hack, Nov-05-02, 08:52 PM, (15) RE: Tough Repaint! Any takers?, OkrasaGhia, Nov-06-02, 10:46 AM, (17) RE: Tough Repaint! Any takers?, troub, Nov-06-02, 11:44 AM, (18) RE: Tough Repaint! Any takers?, Hack, Nov-06-02, 11:50 AM, (19)

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I wouldn't, if they see it they are liable to sue ya for using it.I enquired about doing the line in the sim and first thing out the mouth "only if there is something in it for us"

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>first thing out the mouth "only if there is something in it for us"Tell them that they'll have the admiration and respect of their peers. There's little they could do - there is such a thing as Freedom of Artistic Expression.Cheers!
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LAST EDITED ON Nov-05-02 AT 03:38 PM (EST)

yeah that's about the same tune sung by the freakin' USOC when i asked them if i could use the logos for the 2002 UP torch train. pardon my french but, greedy arrogant bastards...... that angered me alot.....i'm gonna try them again, but have a feeling they'll say no again. btw i bet i can find a legal loophole for the USOC copyrighting the name olympic because they do not own that name, that name was made up LONG before the united states let alone the USOC even existed...who knows? maybe i'll get them busted! wishfull thinking, but hey, it could happen....maybe.
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Ah, the country's going down the tubes. What Tubes? I don't see any tubes.-George Carlin

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LAST EDITED ON Nov-06-02 AT 06:06 PM (EST)

>yeah that's about the same tune sung by the freakin' USOC
>when i asked them if i could use the logos for the 2002 UP
>torch train. pardon my french but, greedy arrogant
>bastards...... that angered me alot.....i'm gonna try them
>again, but have a feeling they'll say no again. btw i bet i
>can find a legal loophole for the USOC copyrighting the name
>olympic because they do not own that name, that name was
>made up LONG before the united states let alone the USOC
>even existed...who knows? maybe i'll get them busted!
>wishfull thinking, but hey, it could happen....maybe.
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>Hauling America one pixel at a time
>Bill Hemb train sim repainter, 3d modeler
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>Ah, the country's going down the tubes. What Tubes? I don't
>see any tubes.-George Carlin Hmm..I don't know if they own the name 'Olympics', but they may own the 5-ring logo..Who knows? They're the company that runs the Olympics anyway...Or are they?
Hire a really good lawyer, you might just be able to do it though Oh and get this..They're forcing UP to reroute all of their Haz-Mat trains, during the olympics because they're afraid the trains are gonna blow up near the site of the 2002 Games http://www.teamster.org/overnite/overnitepr_020209_1.htm

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You would think that a tourist line would be a bit more enthusiastic about free advertising. Sometimes the one who gets the letter, just doesn't "Get It".Ron

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> "only if there is something in it for us"Do the people that say things like this have any idea the free publicity there is in it for them?? I'd never heard of this company until now!! Bill, greedy isn't the word!!Ray

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perhaps self indulgent, or egocentric? or is greedy an under statement? that's what i'm thinkin you's tryin to say!
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"Verde Canyon"? I'll take 10 if someone does it, just to distribute to everyone I work with as a remembrance of our ex-boss. We were so happy to be free of him! Don't have any repaint talents or capabilities however, so I can't do a repaint.By the way, where is this railroad located?

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About 75 miles north east of Phoenix,Az. it was started by the Verde copper mining company's. Now I think their only revenue is from hauling their own coal and the tourist rides. Same company owns the line and a very large cement plant. No loads go out, just in, at least not by rail.It is a neat ride tho. Going to go again shortly to see one of the few places in Az that shows fall colors.

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Needs a lot of tweaks, and I'll need better pics to finish...Not many on the web.Cheers!
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how you get the glossy look?

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Specular settings in Gmax. Cheers!
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what about all that legal junk Marc? i guess what they don't know can't hurt em' huh? BTW looks great so far...just as all of your f-series do. btw, do you use tsm or 3dc pro for your models? gonna make my sd60's in 3dc pro but is tsm better or worse for making trains compared to 3d canvas pro?
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>what about all that legal junk Marc?What legal junk? I haven't released anything, and if I release it as a freebie what could they do? As a matter of fac, if I ever get the thing done, I might send them a screen shot. As for the modeling between TSM and 3DC - stick to 3DC - no better support, and doesn't have the quirks of TSM.Cheers!
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LAST EDITED ON Nov-05-02 AT 08:22 PM (EST)

>what about all that legal junk Marc?see the first reply to this post. thanks for the suggestion Marc,...what do you use to model your trains? those trains really look too real for tsm. btw how are the e-units coming along? that UP E9 set looks great!thanks Marc
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Now all we need is some passnger cars in the right paint scheme.

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Although I own 3DC, I use Max and gMax exclusively - I guess old habits are hard to break. E-units are coming along nicely - UP, PRR and ATSF done, now to other roads. Cheers!
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They can't stop you from making a model of one of their engines (nor can UP). Making a MSTS model of an engine is no different legally than doing a real world model or a painting. The model is yours to do what you like with. If you were to use trademarks and such in a non-prototypical manner to do something commercial or to counterfeit material you might get a call from the lawyers but if you do an as exact representation of a true world prototype as you can there is nothing they can do. If you run a business things are a little different and it's very wise to get approval before going along with the product.When was the last time you heard of a model railroder taken to court because he made a model of a UP engine?
A judge would not even think of taking such a case.


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>stick to 3DC - no better support,
>and doesn't have the quirks of TSM. I think you mean much better support, right?EDIT: nevermind, I just realized what you meant. There is no better support than that provided by Amabilis. Right? Sorry. . .

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Yes, sorry. Richard's support is second to none IMHO. He's also very active in his own forums, answering questions and joining discussions regarding features/improvements. This helps make folks feel that they're part of the process of creation, rather than someone on the sidelines waiting for the next release. That in itself makes 3DC worth its weight (and then some). Cheers!
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