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cdntrainsCharter Member · 272 posts

I was wondering, how do you guys create your new 3D objects to scale? Is there a standard ratio that you use?Thanks, cdntrains WARNING: This may be a really dumb question! ;) – image 1 WARNING: This may be a really dumb question! ;) – image 2 WARNING: This may be a really dumb question! ;) – image 3 WARNING: This may be a really dumb question! ;) – image 4 WARNING: This may be a really dumb question! ;) – image 5 WARNING: This may be a really dumb question! ;) – image 6 WARNING: This may be a really dumb question! ;) – image 7 WARNING: This may be a really dumb question! ;) – image 8 WARNING: This may be a really dumb question! ;) – image 9 WARNING: This may be a really dumb question! ;) – image 10 "must be trains in the blood"
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RE: WARNING: This may be a really dumb question! ;), Adam3291, Aug-02-02, 02:44 PM, (1) RE: WARNING: This may be a really dumb question! ;), CPR_Malice_96th, Aug-02-02, 02:54 PM, (2) RE: WARNING: This may be a really dumb question! ;), cdntrains, Aug-02-02, 03:18 PM, (3) RE: WARNING: This may be a really dumb question! ;), FozzyBear, Aug-02-02, 04:06 PM, (4) RE: WARNING: This may be a really dumb question! ;), troub, Aug-02-02, 04:14 PM, (5) RE: WARNING: This may be a really dumb question! ;), Overkill211, Aug-02-02, 04:29 PM, (6) RE: WARNING: This may be a really dumb question! ;), jerseycentral, Aug-02-02, 04:35 PM, (7) RE: WARNING: This may be a really dumb question! ;), troub, Aug-02-02, 09:43 PM, (9) RE: WARNING: This may be a really dumb question! ;), Xacto, Aug-02-02, 09:39 PM, (8) RE: WARNING: This may be a really dumb question! ;), wpfan, Aug-03-02, 09:14 AM, (10) RE: WARNING: This may be a really dumb question! ;), rdamurphy, Aug-03-02, 11:56 AM, (11)

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cdntrainsCharter Member · 272 posts

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Ya, it's about time for me to get TSM.. I just reviewed the features again --> it makes it SOOOO much easier.Thanks, cdntrains WARNING: This may be a really dumb question! ;) – image 11 WARNING: This may be a really dumb question! ;) – image 12 WARNING: This may be a really dumb question! ;) – image 13 "must be trains in the blood"
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FozzyBearCharter Member · 1716 posts

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>I was wondering, how do you guys create your new 3D objects
>to scale? Is there a standard ratio that you use? There is no Ratio in MSTS everything is built to 1:1 (I know before somebody tells me, technically that is a ratio LOL) But there is no scale in MSTS it's all at 1 foot = 1 foot. Best Regards,
Julian (Fozzy The Bear)WARNING: This may be a really dumb question! ;) – image 15

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troubCharter Member · 478 posts

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LAST EDITED ON Aug-02-02 AT 04:16 PM (EDT)

In 3DCanvas, I use a backdrop image made from a scale drawing (actually a few, one each for side, front, and back), and model to match the scale drawing. Then, I select the whole model, and size it to the correct dimensions on all three axes at once. As you're modelling, it doesn't really matter what the dimensions are, as long as everything in your object is properly sized relative to everything else. Then you can scale the whole object to the correct dimensions. The "scale" is 1:1, so in the modelling program you might scale your locomotive to 60' feet long (or whatever is appropriate), and export.See below for an illustration of matching the model to the scale drawing.

troub
MSTS: Illinois Central

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Overkill211Charter Member · 82 posts

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LAST EDITED ON Aug-02-02 AT 04:32 PM (EDT)

It says in the .S file format that shapes created at a scale of 1 unit = 1 meter (or metre to those overseas), will be to scale with the standard shapes in the program. ie No rescaling required.In my efforts to rebuild all the trees and bushes using uncompressed .S files in wordpad, I did find all the coordinates showing as meters (visual scale... it doesn't actually say meters in the files).

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troubCharter Member · 478 posts

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Actually, yes, basically. I saw the drawing of the SD70 they have on that site, and contacted the author asking if I could use it. He's a nice guy named Kyle McKerrow, and he has several drawings at paintshop.railfan.net. Anyway, he was able to provide me with drawings for the IC, NS, and Conrail versions of the standard cab SD70, that I'm using for both reference and texture detail.

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MSTS: Illinois Central

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XactoCharter Member · 813 posts

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A meter in your 3d program will be a meter in the Sim. There is no scale in TS, scale only applies to physical objects, not virtual objects such as those in the Sim. There was some confusion when people started making objects because they didn't seem to look right with some of the default objects, but it turned out that some of the default objects weren't sized correctly when they were created.Cliff

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wpfanCharter Member · 313 posts

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I obtain drawings from magazines, books, etc. and simply measure and enter into 3dcanvas the numbers from the drawings. I do everything by entering exact measurements for size. For positioning parts I do everything as an offset from centerline for the x-axis, height from the rail for y axis, and offset from a referance part for the z axis (usually the main driver). I like to eliminate the guesswork involved with just using a mouse and will actualy calculate the exact coordinates for pretty much every piece on a locomotive. Century242 has seen me at work and it drives him absoloutely nuts when I start spouting numbers. Since we're on this topic is it possible to build models in US measurements in GMAX, I hate having to work in metric. Currently I work a lot with 3d canvas and I am quite happy with it, but it never hurts to learn other software.

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rdamurphyCharter Member · 348 posts

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Just curious, what happened to the Camoflaged UP loco?Rob

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