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nw_fan (335 posts)
May-31-02, 11:43 PM (EDT) "N&W steam engine being developed: need help!" I am looking for texture help if anyone is interested.
See following link for further detail and more pics:
www.train-sim.com/dcforum/DCForumID8/2619.htmlThis is a long term project and help would not be requested all in the next few days. I expect this to take a long amount of time; at least several months.Mike
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Subject Author Message Date ID RE: N&W steam engine being develope... shayman Jun-01-02 1 RE: N&W steam engine being develope... nw_fan Jun-01-02 2 RE: N&W steam engine being develope... Emmo213 Jun-01-02 3 RE: N&W steam engine being develope... ertfor3 Jun-01-02 4 RE: N&W steam engine being develope... nw_fan Jun-01-02 6 RE: N&W steam engine being develope... NW_J_611 Jun-01-02 5 RE: N&W steam engine being develope... nw_fan Jun-01-02 7 RE: N&W steam engine being develope... nw_fan Jun-01-02 8 RE: N&W steam engine being develope... Adam3291 Jun-01-02 9 RE: N&W steam engine being develope... Cell0518 Jun-03-02 10 RE: N&W steam engine being develope... Interborough Jun-07-02 17 RE: N&W steam engine being develope... TVRRMAN Jun-06-02 11 RE: N&W steam engine being develope... SoRwy471 Jun-06-02 12 RE: N&W steam engine being develope... Emmo213 Jun-06-02 13 RE: N&W steam engine being develope... nw_fan Jun-06-02 14 RE: N&W steam engine being develope... CSXALine Jun-07-02 15 RE: N&W steam engine being develope... nw_fan Jun-07-02 16 RE: N&W steam engine being develope... Xacto Jun-07-02 18 RE: N&W steam engine being develope... nw_fan Jun-07-02 19 RE: N&W steam engine being develope... nwman Jun-07-02 20 RE: N&W steam engine being develope... nw_fan Jun-07-02 21

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shayman (7 posts)
Jun-01-02, 00:58 AM (EDT) 1. "RE: N&W steam engine being developed: need help!" That A looks great I think NS has one hidden in Roanoke Shops.Could you use reg. pictures of it? Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
nw_fan (335 posts)
Jun-01-02, 01:46 AM (EDT) 2. "RE: N&W steam engine being developed: need help!" I'm not about to turn down any reference material. I do own practically every book written about N&W and the N&WHS has produced some excellent reference books with blueprints and drawings. But, some excursion pics might help to demonstrate the variations between rebuilt and 40's & 50's era. I intend to produce it as a regular 50's era engine with weathering etc.Mike
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Emmo213 (55 posts)
Jun-01-02, 10:14 AM (EDT) 3. "RE: N&W steam engine being developed: need help!" Mike, man that's gorgeous!!! Any help that you need, I'm more than available. Just drop an e-mail on what you need, and since I might not know how to do it, I'll learn. I can just picture this pulling 100 or so of that H3 hopper that you're working on and the Cf caboose around the Sandpatch route that is being worked on. (I think Sandpatch will pass until we have a real Pocahomtas devision) Not trying to bug you about the hopper and caboose, but how are they coming? And again, if you meed something, just holler. If you don't mind, maybe I'll start working on a hooter later today and see how that comes out. Good luck!!!Brian
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ertfor3 (134 posts)
Jun-01-02, 11:32 AM (EDT) 4. "RE: N&W steam engine being developed: need help!" Hi, The class A looks great so far I have a great book on N&W steam locomotives, I can scan some pictures and send them to you if you need them. Happy Rails, Patrick

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nw_fan (335 posts)
Jun-01-02, 11:39 AM (EDT) 6. "RE: N&W steam engine being developed: need help!" I never even thought about Sandpatch. Good excursion route.A hooter would be excellent. Might inspire me to work faster. (but not sloppier)Mike
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NW_J_611 (9 posts)
Jun-01-02, 11:39 AM (EDT) 5. "RE: N&W steam engine being developed: need help!" Im hping that the number will be 1218 like the one down town in the shops. Now we need the other two main classes the J and Y's. Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
nw_fan (335 posts)
Jun-01-02, 11:40 AM (EDT) 7. "RE: N&W steam engine being developed: need help!" If this comes out OK, I'll do a Y-6b and Y-3 at the same time.Mike
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nw_fan (335 posts)
Jun-01-02, 11:56 AM (EDT) 8. "RE: N&W steam engine being developed: need help!" >Im hoping that the number will
>be 1218 like the one
>down town in the shops.
>Now we need the other
>two main classes the J
>and Y's. this is the texture for the number plate...
'Nuff Said?Mike
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Adam3291 (297 posts)
Jun-01-02, 12:35 PM (EDT) 9. "RE: N&W steam engine being developed: need help!" Mike you have mail. Great job. The 1218 is a terrific loco. To bad they stopped the steam program in 1994.Adam Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
Cell0518 (62 posts)
Jun-03-02, 03:09 PM (EDT) 10. "RE: N&W steam engine being developed: need help!" Tell Me about it! I think it REALLY Sucks!! 1218 is still in the shop at roanoak correct? I hear they are giving her to the city to put in the museum w/ 611. It is a real shame!!CELL
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Wantin' N&W 611, 1218, Y6B's, Big Boy, 3985 Challenger (whats all this about jens-chris's project going and stuff? been gone a couple of days!, Full length Hiwatha domes (preferably in NCDOT livery), etc. Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
Interborough (120 posts)
Jun-07-02, 09:52 AM (EDT) 17. "RE: N&W steam engine being developed: need help!" >To bad they stopped
>the steam program in 1994.
That's the one reason why I HATE Norfolk Southern. I never got to ride on one of those excursions, and believe it or not, 611 is my favorite locomotive! I have lived my entire life (all 14 years of it) up here in New York. IF they kept their steam program going, they would be able to run up on the old Erie to Port Jervis because they now own the line. Didn't happen though.Does anyone here think someone will come along and restore 611 (again)? The Virginia Museum of Transporation in Roanoke moves the 611 along its track every once in a while (even if its not under its own power, it still moves).Keep up the good work on the 1218. O. Winston Link would be proud of you!








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TVRRMAN (15 posts)
Jun-06-02, 09:40 PM (EDT) 11. "RE: N&W steam engine being developed: need help!" Magnificent work so far. Just remember, take your time and have fun. I may be an avid pennsy fan, but I am also a Norfolk and Western fan. Just wondering, did you know that the Pennsy controlled the Norfolk and Western during into the fifties?TVRRMAN18 YEAR OLD AVID PENNSY FAN
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SoRwy471 (299 posts)
Jun-06-02, 09:59 PM (EDT) 12. "RE: N&W steam engine being developed: need help!" I have a NW ball hat with those numbers on it--circa 60's?? "Look Ahead....Look South" Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
Emmo213 (55 posts)
Jun-06-02, 10:11 PM (EDT) 13. "RE: N&W steam engine being developed: need help!" TVRRMAN - did you know that for a while there that the N&W was the only thing keeping the PRR going? They would have merged much sooner if it wasn't for their investments in the Norfolk and Western.
SoRwy471 - Even though I haven't seen the cap, I would guess that's it much later than the 60's, probably more around the 80's or 90's. Alot of hats were made when NS was still running excursions.Brian Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
nw_fan (335 posts)
Jun-06-02, 11:44 PM (EDT) 14. "RE: N&W steam engine being developed: need help!" You should know that you are picking a fight with N&W fans when you state that PRR owned them/controlled them. N&W was one of the few railroads that stayed solvent through the Great Depression. This was due to the fact that everyone needed coal regardless; depression or not. They continued to develop steam through the depression, because they realized that it would be much more expensive to re-hire and re-train the mechanical department and the guys who built and repaired the engines. So... when WWII came around and other roads were hurting for locomotive power, N&W had something like 30 2-8-8-2's to sell off as surplus. (that's amazing because of the huge increase in traffic from the war, you would expect there to be a motive power shortage) They went to PRR, D&RGW, AT&SF, UP & Virginian. I think some smaller stuff went to smaller regional railroads as well. Like 10 4-8-2's to Wheeling and D&RGW. 4-8-0's to various smaller, unheard of roads.Now, the relevant part to PRR folks... PRR collected something like several billion dollars in today's dollars from it's N&W stock dividends. N&W stock sold at $100/share in the 30's & 40's (I'm not certain of a more specific date, but am certain of the amount) That's where the claim that N&W dividends kept PRR financially solvent come from.The reason I point this out...
N&W was a relatively small line, compared to Pennsy, but they were run in an amazingly effective & efficient way. The employees were very proud of that fact. Other roads couldn't meet the Gross Ton Miles, etc... that they put out. So I suppose we N&W fans feel N&W never gets the respect we feel it deserves. Kind of like a little brother. Mike
Norfolk & Western
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CSXALine (614 posts)
Jun-07-02, 00:25 AM (EDT) 15. "RE: N&W steam engine being developed: need help!" My Family Worked on the N&W Near Richlands VirginiaI love that railroad
may have to be a new project for me when the a line is completeJason Webb
The Seaboard Coast Line/CSX A Line from Tampa Florida to Jacksonville, FL
http://sclcsxaline.cjb.net/
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nw_fan (335 posts)
Jun-07-02, 01:25 AM (EDT) 16. "RE: N&W steam engine being developed: need help!" >My Family Worked on the N&W
>Near Richlands Virginia
>
>I love that railroad
>may have to be a new
>project for me when the
>a line is complete
>
Then I guess you'll know who to ask for N&W specific buildings for the route...
Coal towers
Engine service Buildings "Lubritoriums"
Stations
Telephone polesAll the things that make it truly N&WMike
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Xacto (766 posts)
Jun-07-02, 10:50 AM (EDT) 18. "RE: N&W steam engine being developed: need help!" LAST EDITED ON Jun-07-02 AT 10:52 AM (EDT)You might be able to find some pics here,http://imagebase.lib.vt.edu/browse.php?folio_ID=/ns/steam_locomotivesThey are all B&W, but could be colored if needed. There are some amazing backhead shots in there. Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
nw_fan (335 posts)
Jun-07-02, 12:24 PM (EDT) 19. "RE: N&W steam engine being developed: need help!" Thanks for the head-up. I'm just crazy enough that I've already saved and archived almost all the pics there on my harddrive (about 3000). I have them categorized by subject. There are 2 good backhead photos of A's. I'd really like to model the cab just a little bit. At least seats, brake stand, johnson lever, cutoff lever, etc. If I can do with reasonable amount of poly's. Maybe 2 versions - one with; one without. Mike
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nwman (66 posts)
Jun-07-02, 09:33 PM (EDT) 20. "RE: N&W steam engine being developed: need help!" LAST EDITED ON Jun-07-02 AT 09:33 PM (EDT)Hi all I'm working on the Pocahontas Route. Will be from williamson to Bluefield.I just finished redoing the dems in the new demex program.I finally got track charts from N&WHS but there around 1950.I'm thinking about getting year 2000 charts for the NS,just have'nt made up my mind.I'm useing USAPhoto map now to get cords for the Tug River and cutting in the river in the RE.Boy I had to pick a route that follows a river almost all the way.It's going to take awhile to cut in the river.Oh well give time to decide on the what charts I'm going to use.You all have probley seen some of my work before just messing around in the RE.I also have several books from N&W so if I can be of any help just let ne know. drcvrc@earthlink.net Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
nw_fan (335 posts)
Jun-07-02, 11:27 PM (EDT) 21. "RE: N&W steam engine being developed: need help!" nwman,
I was hoping you were still lurking out there somewhere. I remembered seeing the pics of the route you were developing. I sure hope you will consider doing a version of the N&W in the 50's. It could be quite a bit more interesting with N&W's unique steam facility structures. If you do plan to do something of the sort, I have many, many references of N&W buildings/industries and would like to help you make them. We could probably have a lot of fun trying to recreate historical photos like some of O. Winston Link's on your route. If you are interested, contact me at my e-mail.Mike
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