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OK Here you go..... Screenshot from this morning with more or less the final texture set on the loco....Now working on the tender..... So we're not too far away from Beta.... Any notes or comments welcome, especially anything telling me where it's still not right, because this is the last chance to get corrections to the model and textures in before I close the door on changes.....Best Regards,
Julian (Fozzy The Bear)

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Awesome. Thanks Fozzy. Commin along great.AdamPS I'm usin my country talk today! Just haven a little fun. YEHA

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>PS I'm usin my country talk
>today! Just haven a little
>fun. YEHAWell at least the Cows will understand what you're saying Adam LOLBest Regards,
Julian (Fozzy The Bear)

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LAST EDITED ON May-30-02 AT 10:17 AM (EDT)Thanks Fozzy. Looks like the real thing. I was reading that you are going to close the designing area for the K-36. But you need to send it to the beta testers before you do that. They might catch something you may have forgot. Just wanted to tell you.Adam

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LAST EDITED ON May-30-02 AT 10:24 AM (EDT)>You have any
>more in game shots?? Just
>wondering. Just change your post before I get chance to stick a picture up will ya Adam!! ROFL and yes it will go to the beta testers including you for final comment and changes before release.Will that do for now?? On a bridge just outside St Anton...... funny camera angle though.... makes it look distorted. LOL Best Regards,
Julian (Fozzy The Bear)

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Hi,WOW!!! That locomotive looks increadably real!This is kwk100, and I'm 10-10 on the side
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Shorthand:
!!!!!!!!!!

John Roth

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I'm not much of a steam fan Fozzy but that looks great!!!! John Rosh
TKW Public Relations

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Jeeeezzz!! When I look at that I start to wonder why I still build trains... SIMPLY STUNNING!!Cas
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Fozzy that looks great ! how many MB will that be.Im low on room

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LAST EDITED ON May-30-02 AT 02:53 PM (EDT)>Fozzy that looks great ! how
>many MB will that be.Im
>low on room It's no bigger than any other locomotive out there..... But it will have a full custom cab courtesy of Mr JohanSteam and new sounds from Mr Timken.Best Regards,
Julian (Fozzy The Bear)P.S. I've seen that drawing you've got scrolling there.... It's not stunningly accurate... and BTW you've got it facing the wrong way..... That's the right hand side!! They're different!! LOL

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Fozzy, you are turning me into a "narrow" minded person. From what I see your engine looks spectacular. I can't see anything to bring to your attention. I recently visited Antonito, and shot a few pictures of narrow gauge rolling stock. There are also numerous static narrow gauge displays all over Colorado that I took so pics of too. If you would like some reskinning help or would like the photo's let me know. Here is a "tender" moment.


Lets play a where is it. Guesses as to where the photo was taken...

GREAT WORK FOZZY!! And if you ever need anything (maybe a beta tester ) feel free to email me.Nick
nlyon78@hotmail.com

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Fozz, you're a bad man! That is a seriously fine lookin' loco! You're textures are great! Did you use real pics for them or did you paint them yourself?=|Goldenpig

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LAST EDITED ON May-30-02 AT 03:24 PM (EDT)>Fozz, you're a bad man! That
>is a seriously fine lookin'
>loco! You're textures are great!
>Did you use real pics
>for them or did you
>paint them yourself? It's a mixture of Photo work and hand drawing, quite a lot of hand drawing to be honest... I spent so much time getting those textures right that even I can't spot the difference between them in places. I'll let you into a secret... the colour and surface texture for the smokebox is a scan of the semi matt finish foil inner lid of a tube of Pringles. LOL (with a lot of shading work and colour adjustment plus rivits and other bits. The smokebox front is entirely hand drawn, with reference to photographs, The boiler textures are all hand drawn, the cab side sheets are part photograph part hand drawn, the cylinder wraper is photograph but required a lot of re-working to get it to look right, the vave gear is again mostly hand drawn with some parts taken from re-worked photographs. The doors windows and a lot of other parts are hand drawn, the backhead (Which nobody has seen yet) is also hand drawn as are most of the controls and seats and inner walls of the cab. The chassis is hand drawn as are most of the textures on the pony and trailing bogie. WHeeeezzzz!! Long list that! LOL All that and it's still only just over 6K polys!! with no sign of any dents on frame rate.Glad you like em though!Best Regards,
Julian (Fozzy The Bear)p.s. I am working on getting your loco done! It's getting there slowly!! P.P.S... The chain in the front coupling is a scan of a real piece of chain, thet holds my garden gate shut since the recent burglary!

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Fozzy, That is some jaw dropping work you got there! simply stunning. I am amazed at you good use of resources <the pringles>!! that is very clever. I have just one question. Will the , ithink its the generator, (the thing between the cab and the first "dome" on the loco on the outside) have smoke comming out of it or no?
Great loco, cant wait for her!
Jim

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LAST EDITED ON May-30-02 AT 04:55 PM (EDT)>I have just one question. Will the ,
>i think its the generator, (the thing
>between the cab and the first "dome"
>on the loco on the outside) have smoke
>comming out of it or no?Yeah it's a turbo generator... powers the headlight. Unfortunately I havn't yet found a way to make it work so that steam comes out of it.... If anyone has any ideas on that one please do yell up... I don't think that MSTS has the effects hooks to let me do it.Best Regards,
Julian (Fozzy The Bear)

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>If anyone has any ideas
>on that one please do
>yell up... I don't
>think that MSTS has the
>effects hooks to let me
>do it. I use an invisible tender between the two units of the Cab Forward. It seems tenders are allowed to have a smoke effects section. Propably meant for tenders with boosters. But also zero-power invisible locomotive can be used. But I don't see a way to add such tender to a one-unit loco without the effect moving out of place in curves. And it's not a very elegant solution.Btw, has anyone noticed whether the drain pipe effect works? What does a drain pipe exactly do on steam locomotives?

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>Btw, has anyone noticed whether the
>drain pipe effect works? What
>does a drain pipe exactly
>do on steam locomotives? I think this effect is a confusion in technical terms by Kuju.....Drain pipes in the real world are the ones that they are calling the cylinder steam effect.....However I suspect that the drain pipes effect was supposed to simulate the Injector overflow pipes.... And the answer here, is that, no I can't get it to work either.... Could be a spelling error in the Kuju routines again, or could just be another feature they didn't get round to including.Best Regards,
Julian (Fozzy The Bear)

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It's a mixture of Photo work and hand drawing, quite a lot of hand drawing to be honest... I spent so much time getting those textures right that even I can't spot the difference between them in places. It's well worth the effort... that first screenie made me think i'm watching rendering of the model, until i saw the other screenshot with it looking the same in the game... fantastic work.

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Cimarron, Colorado, the Dam road.

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Somehow I knew you would get that Nick. Maybe for our next project (probably years from now) we could make the original D&RGW narrow gauge route from Salida to Montrose. The black Canyon would be fun to drive narrow gauge trains through. I'll send you some pics laterNick

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So that is how you got that smokebox to look so really. Anymore Secrets. LOLAdam

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Hey Nick
Nice pic there. Did you take that at Cimmaron? That's where it looks like to me. Good spot to grab some pics, but sometimes the lighting isn't too good depending on what time of year it is.Grizz

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That is correct Grizzly!! Here is another pic with a sign.

the sign says "narrow gauge on black canyon"This depot is right next to the highway and there are three narrow gauge boxcars next to it.
Nick

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Lookin awesome Fozzy.....Nick - what is a K-36 doing on a bit of trestle in the middle of nowhere? Did it break down on the last day and the demolition teams decided to leave it there?

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>Lookin awesome Fozzy..... Thanks!!>what is a K-36
>doing on a bit of
>trestle in the middle of
>nowhere?LOL ROFL.. That'd be a very good question if it was a K-36... But it's actually a C-16 Number 278.....The trestle is part of a former bridge through the canyon. It's just a memorial... But I personally think it's a great shame and a sin to leave a beautiful locomotive like that out to the ravages of the weather with no care and attention! RESTORATION NOW!!!!!! They could do a fake mock up one if they wanted to leave a loco out like that! I mean is it a piece of sculpture or a locomotive that should be run or preserved properly?Best Regards,
Julian (Fozzy The Bear)

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Sorry, I just have no idea of these narrow gauge locos. Dunno the difference between them, actually never heard of a K-36 until Fozzy started building one...

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That particular loco was used in several movies, and for one of them it was repainted in the Grande gold with 4-stripes livery that the Rio Grande used on their PA,F-7 and F-9 units. Believe it or not the Rio Grande actually operated it in regular service that way for almost a year.

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The secret project we discussed is close to being finished, will send you a copy in a few days...Robert

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>The secret project we discussed is
>close to being finished, will
>send you a copy in
>a few days... OK! looking forward to it!!Best Regards,
Julian (Fozzy The Bear)

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OOh, Foz!
Looking forward to BetA!

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What a great looking engine........can't wait for it to be in the downloads section......You are one talented individual...Pringles!! Amazing......Don't ever stop doing the steams, Ok? Tim
"Just an old man and his old trains"

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OH MY GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Unbeleivable work Fozzy. You've truly got a great one here. Microshaft/Kuju, are you taking notes? This is what a real steam engine looks like. Fozzy, are you still planning the spark arrestor and snowplow versions?Grizzly

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>Fozzy, are you still
>planning the spark arrestor and
>snowplow versions? YUP! soon as I get the true Narrow Gauge version out and done I'll move on to the Snow Plough (Plow) and Spark Arrestor ones.This should look OK on the front of your D&S Coaches.Best Regards,
Julian (Fozzy The Bear)

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*DROOL* (jaw hits floor) fozzy you are now my god. bravo bravo! hey you want to texture my T-1 hahahaha!!!!!






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Fozzy,Outstanding work. The realism of those textures is eerie, and puts many to shame. We are fortunate to have dedicated, enthusiastic people like you to make 'as real as it gets' a whole lot more real. You're nearly dragging my attention away from electric traction and back to steam.Now, if only I could apply the Pringles method to my interurbans! Mabye I can't, but I can still eat the pringles!!Cheers, well done,
Matt

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LAST EDITED ON May-31-02 AT 08:24 AM (EDT)>Now, if only I could apply
>the Pringles method to my
>interurbans! Mabye I can't, but
>I can still eat the
>pringles!! Hey! course you can.... You'd be surprised how many household objects when scanned and bits extracted to form base textures give a really good result. Give it a go...... You can grab stuff distort it ripple it twist it blur it re-colour it....etc etc.... overlay one texture on another with a transparency level... The trick to making textures look real is dirt and grime.. even at low levels it improves the result masivley... The other trick is to think about each component separately.. think about which direction the light is coming from and fake the shadows with an air brush... get each component right on it's own... then colour balance each one to match in with the others around it.Hope that helps with the interurban textures! Best Regards,
Julian (Fozzy The Bear)

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>hey you want to
>texture my T-1 hahahaha!!!!! Dude! Your T-1 is a superb locomotive! I'm in love with it! You want textures then maybe if I can fit it round all the other things I have going on right now.... maybe just maybe..... I might be able to help....That's a big maybe right now though.....Best Regards,
Julian (Fozzy The Bear)

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OH HAIL YE FOZZY THE GREAT !!!!! "We`re not worthy"(Much drooling at screenshot)!! Now all we need is the Cumbres & Toltec Scenic route which i think is in the pipeline !! Can anyone tell me what x-tracks is?? (a brief description and no sarcastic comments please)

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>(Much drooling
>at screenshot)!!Careful now! you'll ruin your keyboard dribbling into it like that. LOL >Now all
>we need is the Cumbres
>& Toltec Scenic route which
>i think is in the
>pipeline !! Certainly is! there were some screenshots in the forum not long ago.>Can anyone tell
>me what x-tracks is?? (a
>brief description and no sarcastic
>comments please)It's a set of additional track and scenic components that let you build routes with new track sections including narrow gauge track. It has a few problems but Okrasa Giha (Hope I spelled that right) who wrote it, is sorting them out, and the new version is supposed to be better than the last one.Best Regards,
Julian (Fozzy The Bear)

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WHAT ?? 35+ posts on this loco and not one from D&RGWK36 or RIOGRANDEDUDE !!! Very surprising !

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>WHAT ?? 35+ posts on this
>loco and not one from
>D&RGWK36 or RIOGRANDEDUDE !!! Very
>surprising ! Give em time! LOL It's not been up that long. Best Regards,
Julian (Fozzy The Bear)

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I was at Apache Lake, I still cant believe that my summer vactaion didnt even last 2 weeks!
Great Job Fozzy!
Now what's this "secret project?"

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>I was at Apache Lake, I
>still cant believe that my
>summer vactaion didnt even last
>2 weeks!
>Great Job Fozzy! Thanks I just got your mail..... Been away myself over the last few days.... Away again for the next few as well...>Now what's this "secret project?" Now if we told you, it wouldn't be a secret project would it!! LOL You're just going to have to wait and see! Best Regards,
Julian (Fozzy The Bear)

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OK, Scoobysnax, here's my post:What is there to add to what's already been said? It's extremely nice work, Fozzy. I'll have to work extra hard to get the route worthy of her. As far as suggested changes - I'm no expert on the loco (or much of the rest of it, for that matter!), so I can't add much. I'll have to see how she runs before I can add my $0.02 worth on that topic.As I've posted on the Route Forum, the C&TSRR has all 63 mi of track down, and about 25 mi of scenery (Chama to Osier) "completed." That means there are trees, buildings, and bridges there, but I'm planning on making some changes before I call it "final." Not to worry - I'll get it posted before I perfect it.Again, spectactular work, Fozzy. I hope this has been as satisfying for you to work on as it looks (especially given the compensation!).Andy

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Hey!! Skooby!!! Cheers Dude!! Yeah it's been very satisfying so far... frustrating at times, but still satisfying... the greatest satisfaction should come from the fact that people seem to want to use it. I'll be very happy once I get it finally uploaded and I can start on a few other projects that are awaiting attention.I'm away at the mo using my other half's laptop... so i won't see any replies till tuesday. But if anyone has anything they want yell it up and I'll get back to you asap....Best Regards,
Julian (Fozzy The Bear)

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