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bcdef (209 posts)
May-29-02, 12:59 PM (EDT) "UP?" did UP ever operate any F40's?
never really cared for UP diesels!!!!!
retired after diesels took over the railroad
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Subject Author Message Date ID RE: UP? CPR_Malice_96th May-29-02 1 RE: UP? darkfyre May-29-02 2 RE: UP? TrainFreak May-29-02 3 RE: UP? Macster May-29-02 4 RE: UP? CSXfan7000 May-29-02 5 RE: UP? ge44tonner May-29-02 6 RE: UP? chucksc May-29-02 7 RE: UP? buzzbenz May-30-02 9 RE: UP? TrainFreak May-30-02 10 RE: UP? kevarc May-30-02 11 RE: UP? buzzbenz Jun-02-02 16 RE: UP? csxt602 Jun-01-02 13 RE: UP? TrirailF40PHL May-29-02 8 RE: UP? BlakeTyner May-30-02 12 RE: UP? ssw Jun-01-02 14 RE: UP? CSX_CW60AC_GregMarck Jun-01-02 15

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CPR_Malice_96th (878 posts)
May-29-02, 01:01 PM (EDT) 1. "RE: UP?" I am not a UP expert, BUT I am almost positive they did not have any F40'sLaterTim Kent

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darkfyre (316 posts)
May-29-02, 01:35 PM (EDT) 2. "RE: UP?" yeah; thought UP was known for it's SD90's and DD40X's
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TrainFreak (275 posts)
May-29-02, 02:04 PM (EDT) 3. "RE: UP?" To my knowledge F40s have only been used by the passenger railroads..
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Macster (543 posts)
May-29-02, 02:13 PM (EDT) 4. "RE: UP?" However, UP did used to lease the Amtrak and Flordia Fun Train F40s quite a bit until they started ordering Dash 9s and the AC440CWs... quite a few trains in Seattle came up with 3-4 lashed up as SOLID power... sneakingly of course..always at night where you can't get pics.Brian E. Bundridge
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CSXfan7000 (29 posts)
May-29-02, 05:38 PM (EDT) 5. "RE: UP?" I don't believe they ever had any,Then again, you claimed you worked for UP so I figured you would be the expert on the subject.
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ge44tonner (133 posts)
May-29-02, 06:11 PM (EDT) 6. "RE: UP?" Yeah, I saw a few of the leased Amtrak F40's on trains in Kansas, too. As you say, they always seem to be at night so that you can't get pictures. I spoke to a crewman who said that they were not suited to freight duties, they were geared so high that they would overheat traction motors on a hard pull. Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
chucksc (1647 posts)
May-29-02, 07:47 PM (EDT) 7. "RE: UP?" VRE!------Chuck Schneider---------

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buzzbenz (516 posts)
May-30-02, 03:03 PM (EDT) 9. "RE: UP?" UP never owned any, but they did lease them from Amtrak for a while.However, CSX DOES have two - both, of course, are ex-Amtrak, and i believe they are used for an Executive train or something.Also, another freight railroad (can't remeber which anymore!) bought and butchered some of the former Amtrak units. There are pictures of them in Beech Grove having their noses shaved back to make room for a front platform. Almost too much horror for me to bear to look ------ BUZZ ------

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TrainFreak (275 posts)
May-30-02, 04:13 PM (EDT) 10. "RE: UP?" Are you sure you're not mixing up the F40s with Amtrak's failed SDP40Fs which Santa Fe bought?
(Very similar, but the SDP40Fs have three-axle bogies and a 'standard' GM nose, not the tapered stuff that the F40 uses). Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
kevarc (916 posts)
May-30-02, 04:22 PM (EDT) 11. "RE: UP?" Santa Fe did not buy all of them, some were sent back to EMD and the parts used for the F40's. The way the Amtrak legislation was written they had to do that and carry the SDP40 builder numbers on the F40's.Kevin Arceneaux Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
buzzbenz (516 posts)
Jun-02-02, 10:02 AM (EDT) 16. "RE: UP?" Yes, the F40PHR. "R" standing for "Rebuilt from SDP40F components".As for UP, they used the Amtrak F40s when UP bought SP, scrapped lots of SP's motive power, and suddenly realized they didn't have enough locos to go 'round anymore ------ BUZZ ------

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csxt602 (128 posts)
Jun-01-02, 01:10 AM (EDT) 13. "RE: UP?" >However, CSX DOES have two - both, of course, are ex-Amtrak,
>and i believe they are used for an Executive train or something. Buzz,You are correct. CSX leased two of Amtrak's F40's (now redesignated FE7A's by CSX) and use them almost exclusively for the business train. ALMOST being the key word. I have seen them on regular freights before. Once in photos from Philadelphia with them leading a mixed freight, and also saw them in Baltimore back in 2000 in a 7 or 8 unit lashup, DIT.Chris Denbow - Baltimore, Md.
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TrirailF40PHL (795 posts)
May-29-02, 09:26 PM (EDT) 8. "RE: UP?" Eh...somewhat. There's the UP Metra line with Metra F40s assigned to that route...Kurt Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
BlakeTyner (177 posts)
May-30-02, 11:56 PM (EDT) 12. "RE: UP?" During the 1997 power crunch, I'd see Amtrak Phase III F40PHs on UP trains through my home town. (Jefferson, TX. The former MoPac rabbit line) However I never saw one at the point, they were always trailing units. To my knowledge these were short-term leases.Blake Harris
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ssw (207 posts)
Jun-01-02, 03:48 PM (EDT) 14. "RE: UP?" Gee, I must have had luck! I saw some (one) as second unit on a train. boarded up windows, in daylight! Picture around the house somewere probably 3' deep someplace.
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CSX_CW60AC_GregMarck (381 posts)
Jun-01-02, 05:50 PM (EDT) 15. "RE: UP?" The only time I've see CSX's FE7As on the point of a frieght was when they were being transfered to get new paint. Here are some pics taken at Queensqate.CSX 9992

CSX 9993

BTW, on the CSX Photo Archives they refer to the FE7As as F40PH2s. I dont mean to start a flame war, but what source did u get the FE7A designation from?
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