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AlabamaRailfan (77 posts)
Jan-05-02, 00:43 AM (EST) "Bogies swivel the wrong way on new loco" Hello Guys,
Hope everyone had a great holiday! Got a question for you experts. I am back working in TSM and am building a loco (a GE C30-7). When I go to test the unit, I notice some strange anomalies. I built a consist of two locos (3 for some tests) with the 2nd loco "flipped". I noticed when running around a curve, the 2nd loco's bogies swivel the wrong direction (BTW, the bogies on the 1st unit are fine):
I started experimenting with a few things. When I "flipped" the lead unit and backed all the units through the curves, the 2nd unit's bogies now swiveled correctly:
One last experiment was to add a third loco and flip the last one. This time, the swivel problem came back, but only on the 3rd unit:
I have checked the source file over and over can't find anything that stands out. I even tried looking through the non-compressed .s file and found nothing that looked out of the ordinary to me. I sure hope one of you will recognize this and know how to fix it!BTW, here is an overall shot of the loco at this stage if you are interested:
I'm gonna post this over at the TSM forum at 3dtrains.com too and see if anyone has seen this!Thanks in advance!John D. Peterson
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Subject Author Message Date ID RE: Bogies swivel the wrong way on ... CPrailman Jan-05-02 1 RE: Bogies swivel the wrong way on ... Captain Bazza Jan-05-02 3 RE: Bogies swivel the wrong way on ... beadyboy Jan-05-02 2 RE: Bogies swivel the wrong way on ... zeeland174 Jan-08-02 12 RE: Bogies swivel the wrong way on ... leesome1226 Jan-05-02 4 RE: Bogies swivel the wrong way on ... SD40T_2 Jan-05-02 5 RE: Bogies swivel the wrong way on ... AlabamaRailfan Jan-05-02 6 RE: Bogies swivel the wrong way on ... SD80MAC Jan-05-02 7 RE: TSM Rulez! (was Bogies swivel t... AlabamaRailfan Jan-06-02 8 RE: TSM Rulez! (was Bogies swivel t... enocell Jan-06-02 9 RE: TSM Rulez! (was Bogies swivel t... AlabamaRailfan Jan-06-02 10 RE: Bogies swivel the wrong way on ... Overkill211 Jan-07-02 11 RE: TSM Rulez! (was Bogies swivel t... SD80MAC Jan-08-02 13

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CPrailman (308 posts)
Jan-05-02, 02:39 AM (EST) 1. "RE: Bogies swivel the wrong way on new loco" Nice looking locomotive you have there.
Don't worry about the bogies going the wrong way on a reversed loco because that's kuju's fault not yours. It's the game's physics to do that. So your loco is fine and there is nothing you can do about it at the moment.
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CPrailman
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Captain Bazza (231 posts)
Jan-05-02, 07:20 PM (EST) 3. "RE: Bogies swivel the wrong way on new loco" Currently the only way around this problem is to make a 'nose last' version of the loco.Don't let the computer WIN! Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
beadyboy (107 posts)
Jan-05-02, 06:57 PM (EST) 2. "RE: Bogies swivel the wrong way on new loco" I had never noticed that myself so I went and lashed up 2 or 3 locos and it is true. I don't think Kuju had time to finish as the locos only seem to behave in the forward direction. There's also the front coupler problem where trains can't be pushed or pulled using the front coupler.That model looks good too!! Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
zeeland174 (57 posts)
Jan-08-02, 10:48 AM (EST) 12. "RE: Bogies swivel the wrong way on new loco" >There's also the front coupler
>problem where trains can't be
>pushed or pulled using the
>front coupler. I just had a thougt. Why is it that u are unable to couple cars to the front of the loco, but when the second loco is reversed you can couple cars to them(after al on a reversed loco you are using the front couplers) Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
leesome1226 (439 posts)
Jan-05-02, 07:28 PM (EST) 4. "RE: Bogies swivel the wrong way on new loco" Yes, wonderful looking loco.As for the problem, its a problem in the game and not a problem with your model.
Chris Lee
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Train Artisan
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SD40T_2 (193 posts)
Jan-05-02, 07:35 PM (EST) 5. "RE: Bogies swivel the wrong way on new loco" all engines do that? wow i never really noticed. Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
AlabamaRailfan (77 posts)
Jan-05-02, 10:35 PM (EST) 6. "RE: Bogies swivel the wrong way on new loco" Thanks for the compliments and the info, guys! I, too, never realized that the bogies did that, but you are right. Hope they'll fix it in TS version 2 (if we get a version 2). I was sure it was something I was doing wrong. Guess I had just never looked that closely or it showed up worse since the model doesn't have real skins yet.Now that I know it's not, I'll get back to work on this model. I had hoped to have it almost ready this weekend, but spent a number of hours last night tracking the "bogies" problem.Thanks a bunch, everyone and Happy Simming!John D. Peterson
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SD80MAC (501 posts)
Jan-05-02, 10:53 PM (EST) 7. "RE: Bogies swivel the wrong way on new loco" John,Sorry I can't help ya with the bogie problem,but I just wanted to "Praise" you for making the new locomotive!I knew it was just a matter of time before some one designed one.I hope you plan on making this new model easy to re-paint?(handrails,side sills,etc.)Will the first skin be anything but BN green?(no offense).Your model looks fantastic!...can't wait! Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
AlabamaRailfan (77 posts)
Jan-06-02, 01:12 PM (EST) 8. "RE: TSM Rulez! (was Bogies swivel the wrong way on new loco)" LAST EDITED ON Jan-06-02 AT 01:15 PM (EST)Thanks, 80MAC! I meant to mention how great a tool TrainSim Modeler has been so far! Really a breeze to work with. It even nailed the 12 wheels rotating issue. I was prepared to go in and edit the .s file to get all the wheels to rotate and lo and behold TSM had already structured the file correctly so all 12 wheels rotate as they are supposed to! WhooHooo! I am re-doing the handrails now and hope to slap some textures on this puppy this week. I will try my best to make it skin friendly, as I am a skinner first and modeler 3rd or 4th! Hahaha!For 80MAC: forgot to mention, you know what my first skin will be for this unit:
(CSX, of course!)John D. Peterson
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enocell (322 posts)
Jan-06-02, 02:39 PM (EST) 9. "RE: TSM Rulez! (was Bogies swivel the wrong way on new loco)" remember to test it with striped texture, I have had problems with horizontal lines all over the loco, or striping on the noses.Enocell Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
AlabamaRailfan (77 posts)
Jan-06-02, 02:51 PM (EST) 10. "RE: TSM Rulez! (was Bogies swivel the wrong way on new loco)" Thanks, Enocell! Will do!John D. Peterson
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Overkill211 (54 posts)
Jan-07-02, 01:02 AM (EST) 11. "RE: Bogies swivel the wrong way on new loco" Oh, it's not just the locomotives.... Try the same consist reversing with rolling stock. You get the same result. I found this problem on the second day I had MSTS. Because of it, it has always been my intent to build any locomotives in both directions. Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
SD80MAC (501 posts)
Jan-08-02, 09:21 PM (EST) 13. "RE: TSM Rulez! (was Bogies swivel the wrong way on new loco)" John...Looking good!I was contemplating purchasing TSM,cause I have this urge to re-create the C44-9 to replace the MSTS version,and also the GE AC6000,which is a definate ..."Must have"!!!I'm just not sure I have the skills necessary to create such a model?I was wondering if planned on creating the texture files in the same fashion as the 3dtrains gp7?I'm reaaly looking forward to your models release!Have you considered making "Undecorated" texture files?...Please! Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

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