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ctillier (83 posts)
Nov-27-01, 00:32 AM (EST) "Another TGV teaser shot..." Sorry, it's a big screenshot, but I hope you like it. It'll be in beta for a little while. The power car is just over 1800 polys, even with all the pantograph and interior detail.MSTS ain't dead yet!!!Clem
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Subject Author Message Date ID RE: Another TGV teaser shot... Macster Nov-27-01 1 RE: Another TGV teaser shot... cjmaclean Nov-27-01 2 RE: Another TGV teaser shot... mickoo Nov-27-01 4 RE: Another TGV teaser shot... zeeland174 Nov-27-01 3 RE: Another TGV teaser shot... cjmaclean Nov-27-01 5 RE: Another TGV teaser shot... malekith Nov-27-01 6 RE: Another TGV teaser shot... LocoRo Nov-27-01 7 RE: Another TGV teaser shot... ctillier Nov-27-01 8 RE: Another TGV teaser shot... LionkingCMSL Nov-27-01 9 RE: Another TGV teaser shot... cjmaclean Nov-27-01 10 RE: Another TGV teaser shot... dutchtrain Nov-27-01 11 RE: Another TGV teaser shot... Blocker Nov-27-01 16 RE: Another TGV teaser shot... malekith Dec-05-01 30 RE: Another TGV teaser shot... henry3 Nov-27-01 12 RE: Another TGV teaser shot... KngtRider Nov-27-01 13 RE: Another TGV teaser shot... woeper Nov-27-01 14 RE: Another TGV teaser shot... olivier101 Nov-29-01 26 RE: Another TGV teaser shot... tomcatter Nov-27-01 15 ANIMATED COUPLERS???? CPrailman Nov-27-01 17 RE: ANIMATED COUPLERS???? ctillier Nov-28-01 22 RE: ANIMATED COUPLERS???? cjmaclean Nov-28-01 24 RE: Another TGV teaser shot... ctillier Nov-27-01 18 RE: Another TGV teaser shot... CPrailman Nov-27-01 19 RE: Another TGV teaser shot... tomcatter Nov-28-01 20 RE: Another TGV teaser shot... Shogun703 Nov-28-01 21 RE: Another TGV teaser shot... ctillier Nov-28-01 23 RE: Another TGV teaser shot... Kuchinator Nov-29-01 25 RE: Another TGV teaser shot... delamaize Nov-30-01 27 RE: Another TGV teaser shot... cjmaclean Nov-30-01 28 RE: Another TGV teaser shot... Joshua_Hill Dec-01-01 29

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Macster (244 posts)
Nov-27-01, 01:02 AM (EST) 1. "RE: Another TGV teaser shot..." I WANT I WANT I WANT!!!!!!!!!!!!WHEN WHEN WHEN WHEN WHEN!!!!!!!!!! WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!SPEACHLESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Brian E. Bundridge
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cjmaclean (564 posts)
Nov-27-01, 02:58 AM (EST) 2. "RE: Another TGV teaser shot..." AMEN TO THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! *drool*
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mickoo (77 posts)
Nov-27-01, 03:35 AM (EST) 4. "RE: Another TGV teaser shot..." Yup,Sure is a good un , DM did you get the beta Nohab ?.Best regardsMichael Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
zeeland174 (45 posts)
Nov-27-01, 02:59 AM (EST) 3. "RE: Another TGV teaser shot..." never mind the big picture.
i love it.
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cjmaclean (564 posts)
Nov-27-01, 03:45 AM (EST) 5. "RE: Another TGV teaser shot..." "Who can see that beauty on rails and not love it...?"(sorry, must have triggered the poetic side of my personality *LOL* )One thing only, please do model it to the normal French/European catenary height (5.5 to 6 meters...how much do they have in France?)...!Anybody know if there's a TGV line in the making right now?
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malekith (2 posts)
Nov-27-01, 05:09 AM (EST) 6. "RE: Another TGV teaser shot..." In France it is 5.80 m. Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
LocoRo (291 posts)
Nov-27-01, 05:58 AM (EST) 7. "RE: Another TGV teaser shot..." Clem, may i hug you .. greetings Roland
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ctillier (83 posts)
Nov-27-01, 08:13 AM (EST) 8. "RE: Another TGV teaser shot..." Actually, on high speed lines it's 5 meters, somewhat lower than on the rest of the French network. It is an interesting issue, and something I need your input on: what should the wire height be? I don't want to release several versions, and I think 6.5 meters or 7 meters (whatever it is on the NEC) looks way too high.So, six? five and a half? five point eight? Hmmmm....Incidentally there is a high speed line in development at www.europeanbahn.co.uk, and the person who's making it is putting his wire at 6.5 meters for Chris Longhurst's Eurostar.Clem
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LionkingCMSL (35 posts)
Nov-27-01, 08:59 AM (EST) 9. "RE: Another TGV teaser shot..." LAST EDITED ON Nov-27-01 AT 09:12 AM (EST)<snip>
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>It is an interesting issue, and
>something I need your input
>on: what should the wire
>height be? I don't
>want to release several versions,
>and I think 6.5 meters
>or 7 meters (whatever it
>is on the NEC) looks
>way too high.
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<snip>I believe the wire height, as released by MSTS, et. al., is 7.2 meters, is correct, AFAIK.
If I'm not mistaken the standard wire height is about 25 feet on the NEC, or at least it was during the PRR days. My 1964 employee timetable issues a "Close Clearance" warning for Baltimore because there are "traffic signal" wires 20' above the railhead, and "a man standing on a high box car giving an overhead signal will make contact with such wires if he gives signal while passing under them ..." So using that as a guide, assuming a 16' tall "hi-cube" boxcar, a 6 foot tall man, with an extended reach, in the overhead position, of about 7 feet puts the mininum wire height at over 23 feet.Of course if someone comes up with a different wire height, for the NEC, then I will gladly retract my previous statement. :=3I will recheck my sources, and if I find I'm mistaken I will make another post to correct this one.--
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cjmaclean (564 posts)
Nov-27-01, 11:26 AM (EST) 10. "RE: Another TGV teaser shot..." I figured that on the NEC the overhead wires are strung higher than on European railroads. As far as Germany is concerned, they are certainly NOT seven meters high.
What I was trying to say is that you should model the TGV to the wire height appropriate for its country. I'm sure somebody will come forward with one of the original TGV lines for TS, and it would look pretty silly if the route had 5 meters wire height, but the TGV was modeled to seven meters. That is one detail I do not understand - why can't the pantographs adapt to the wire height in TS as they can in reality?
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dutchtrain (50 posts)
Nov-27-01, 12:42 PM (EST) 11. "RE: Another TGV teaser shot..." I'd say, use 5.8 meters... Just like Chris Longhurst's trains...Cas
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Blocker (81 posts)
Nov-27-01, 04:24 PM (EST) 16. "RE: Another TGV teaser shot..." Great ,outstanding,
The wire hight must be 5.80 meters,just like the real thing,same hight like Chris Longhurst Eurostar.Blocker Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
malekith (2 posts)
Dec-05-01, 03:54 PM (EST) 30. "RE: Another TGV teaser shot..." I mail to SNCF and they tell me :Bonjour,
Voici la réponse à votre question :
La caténaire, ligne aérienne de traction électrique, est disposée
parallèlement à la voie à une hauteur d'environ 5 m (toutes lignes
confondues).
Bien cordialement
France herbillon
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henry3 (328 posts)
Nov-27-01, 12:53 PM (EST) 12. "RE: Another TGV teaser shot..." There's a Northern European TGV route in the works. It's payware but they have a test version available for you to try it out first. The test version is available at train-sim, just check under Routes in the file library.Henry Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
KngtRider (148 posts)
Nov-27-01, 02:58 PM (EST) 13. "RE: Another TGV teaser shot..." congrats the tgv looks perfect !we all cant wait for it********************************
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woeper (20 posts)
Nov-27-01, 03:32 PM (EST) 14. "RE: Another TGV teaser shot..." What a beauty!!! Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
olivier101 (39 posts)
Nov-29-01, 05:57 PM (EST) 26. "RE: Another TGV teaser shot..." This will be the absolute all-category best looking trainset for MSTS... Congratulations Clem!Incidently, I'm working on a TVM system for cab signalling that would fit nicely with this model. If there's a TGV cabview in the making somewhere, maybe we could make a bundle Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
tomcatter (2 posts)
Nov-27-01, 03:50 PM (EST) 15. "RE: Another TGV teaser shot..." hi all
i live near paris , and the catenery height in high speed line is exactly = 5.96 m
i wish you put this height
i'm starting the TGV high speed line from paris to london
but i need some help , because it's very difficult to make station .
BYE aLL
my email =>> ilyslam@yahoo.fr(sorry for the mistakes , i'm not very good at english lol Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
CPrailman (263 posts)
Nov-27-01, 06:57 PM (EST) 17. "ANIMATED COUPLERS????" LAST EDITED ON Nov-27-01 AT 06:58 PM (EST)HOW ABOUT ANIMATED COUPLERS?
Do youthink you could pull it off. It would be fantastic to see two TGV sets retract their noses when coupling.
Please can you consider this.
I'd rather have an outstanding version than a simple model but it's your choice Clem.

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ctillier (83 posts)
Nov-28-01, 10:39 AM (EST) 22. "RE: ANIMATED COUPLERS????" Well... there might be a problem with that. The TGV is a permanently coupled trainset, which is specified in the MSTS .eng and .wag files. I don't know if it's possible in MSTS to manually couple or uncouple two such indeformable trainsets. Try it with the Acela Express... if it won't work there, it won't work for the TGV.Clem
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cjmaclean (564 posts)
Nov-28-01, 11:27 AM (EST) 24. "RE: ANIMATED COUPLERS????" I think what CPRailMan meant was if it were possible to make the shroud over the automatic coupler in the nose of the power cars animated, exposing the coupler behind. Well, I think if you left out the animated wipers you might do that, but it would only work for player-controlled trains, not AI ones. Thus I'd say it would probably not be worth the effort...
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ctillier (83 posts)
Nov-27-01, 07:54 PM (EST) 18. "RE: Another TGV teaser shot..." Tomcatter,You probably meant 4,96 meters. All LGV (Lignes a Grande Vitesse) have their catenary contact wire at 5 meters above top of rail. Not 5,96 meters.Have fun
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CPrailman (263 posts)
Nov-27-01, 09:07 PM (EST) 19. "RE: Another TGV teaser shot..." well?
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tomcatter (2 posts)
Nov-28-01, 06:40 AM (EST) 20. "RE: Another TGV teaser shot..." LAST EDITED ON Nov-28-01 AT 07:03 AM (EST)LAST EDITED ON Nov-28-01 AT 06:42 AM (EST)hi ,ctillier
hey can you change the TGV logo and put the new one please ? it's a photo of TGV new logo if you want another photo , send an mail to me


ilyslam@yahoo.fr BYE ! (the TGV =>>> WHEN ??? ) sorry for this bad english lol !!
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Shogun703 (10 posts)
Nov-28-01, 10:19 AM (EST) 21. "RE: Another TGV teaser shot..." Oh WOW, I can't believe it.... it's gorgeous So when do we get to ride? I have a question are there going to be interior views or are we just going to have to wait for that? Dan Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
ctillier (83 posts)
Nov-28-01, 10:43 AM (EST) 23. "RE: Another TGV teaser shot..." I can't give an exact date, I'm doing my best to balance this and other committments. In this first version there will not be a cab view or passenger view.Clem
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Kuchinator (319 posts)
Nov-29-01, 01:23 AM (EST) 25. "RE: Another TGV teaser shot..." LAST EDITED ON Nov-29-01 AT 01:28 AM (EST)ABSOLUTLY BEAUTIFUL!!!!!!! probally only time ill ever see a TGV pullin out of 30th street. i would loveeeeeeeee to reskin that baby. Kuchinator Rail System goes TGV HIGH SPEED!. now i have to patiently wait nice work man, i remmeber seein ur earlier posts several months ago when it was in its infancy, its coming nicely. well closest i saw was an ICE train at 30th street many years ago when amtrak was evaluating them and they let ya walk through it. i think it was an ICE train, i do remmeber for sure it was the one with the special cars that tilt in curves to maintain comfort levels and balance for higher speed.
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delamaize (8 posts)
Nov-30-01, 01:45 PM (EST) 27. "RE: Another TGV teaser shot..." you wrote me and told me about this in one of my messages, and I'm verry impressed, when can I get this beuitful model? son I hope.
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cjmaclean (564 posts)
Nov-30-01, 02:08 PM (EST) 28. "RE: Another TGV teaser shot..." Gawd, I cannot help but continue to be struck with awe...Kuju, THIS is what you should have done for us!!!!!!!!!!
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Joshua_Hill (72 posts)
Dec-01-01, 07:53 PM (EST) 29. "RE: Another TGV teaser shot..." Absolutely brilliant... the realism is almost unreal!The shape, the textures... the windows... and especially the bogies... wow!!!Josh /=\ Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

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