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vbluguitar (11 posts)
Jun-07-01, 09:04 AM (EST) "Lock Up Survey" LAST EDITED ON Jun-07-01 AT 09:07 AM (EST)Does MSTS Lock up your PC? post your machine specs here and lets get some attention...Seems like this bug occurs during outside veiwing - especially camera 4. Sometimes it happens when you press "4" key, sometimes it happens when you are in that veiw mode. I have also had it happen in other external views, however. Sometimes it results in a frozen screen with looped sound, sometimes it results in the "send to Microsoft" report, sometimes it just reboots the PC. Seems like alot of people are experiencing this. Post you machine specs here. Lets do some research so that we can present it to MS and hopefully get a fix. I am using a PIII 800
I have 448 Megs of Ram
I have a Voodoo 5500 with 64 megs
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Subject Author Message Date ID RE: Lock Up Survey rmo20 Jun-07-01 1 RE: Lock Up Survey Ricky Jun-07-01 2 RE: Lock Up Survey ergobob Jun-07-01 3 RE: Lock Up Survey Calgary_Train_Head Jun-07-01 4 RE: Lock Up Survey Zero_Signal Jun-07-01 5 RE: Lock Up Survey jcj Jun-07-01 8 RE: Lock Up Survey amiekowski Jun-07-01 6 RE: Lock Up Survey amiekowski Jun-07-01 7 RE: Lock Up Survey rhcp Jun-07-01 9 RE: Lock Up Survey buzzbenz Jun-07-01 10 RE: Lock Up Survey amjohansson Jun-07-01 11 RE: Lock Up Survey BNSF Jun-07-01 12 RE: Lock Up Survey DKlemm Jun-08-01 17 RE: Lock Up Survey Chopper Jun-07-01 13 RE: Lock Up Survey PsyDoc Jun-07-01 14 Wow vbluguitar Jun-08-01 15 RE: Lock Up Survey dfdco Jun-13-01 28 RE: Lock Up Survey gxm149 Jun-08-01 16 RE: Lock Up Survey nihongo Jun-08-01 18 RE: Lock Up Survey trainguy Jun-08-01 19 RE: Lock Up Survey railohio Jun-08-01 20 RE: Lock Up Survey Rock_Lobster Jun-08-01 21 RE: Lock Up Survey busteryo Jun-08-01 22 RE: Lock Up Survey littlejeffy Jun-08-01 23 RE: Lock Up Survey TomGoodrick Jun-08-01 24 RE: Lock Up Survey trainguy Jun-09-01 25 RE: Lock Up Survey MarkA Jun-09-01 26 RE: Lock Up Survey Speedbrake Jun-13-01 27 RE: Lock Up Survey JRB Jun-13-01 29 RE: Lock Up Survey SouthShore Jun-13-01 30 RE: Lock Up Survey sustratiotes Jun-16-01 31 RE: Lock Up Survey Master Qui Gon Jun-16-01 32 RE: Lock Up Survey jrm252 Jun-16-01 33 RE: Lock Up Survey : Computer SHUT ... Aladar Jun-16-01 34 RE: Lock Up Survey chuckzeiler Jun-20-01 35

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rmo20 (6 posts)
Jun-07-01, 09:19 AM (EST) 1. "RE: Lock Up Survey" Only used it one day so far in EXPLORE mode on the Amtrak and BNSF lines. All camera views including zooming works fine on my PC. No lockups so far. Smooth full screen graphics on a 19" monitor.No problems encountered yet.Here's the hardware I'm using MSTS on...Dell Dimension 4100 series
Windows ME
Intel P3 933Mhz
256MB SDRAM
40GB Ultra ATA HDD
48X MAX variable CD-ROM
32MB DDR ATI Radeon 4X AGP grahics card
19" P991 Dell Monitor (really a Sony Trinitron with the Dell name on it)
Turtle Beach Santa cruz sound card. Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
Ricky (42 posts)
Jun-07-01, 09:39 AM (EST) 2. "RE: Lock Up Survey" LAST EDITED ON Jun-07-01 AT 09:44 AM (EST)
Nope, not a lock up here.Homemade PC
Windows Me
Pentium 3 1Ghz
19" Sony Trinitron Sony Trinitron
384 MB RAM
30GB Hard Drive (ata 100)
Creative Lab GeForce II 32MB (12.40 driver)
Creative Live 5.1 Sound Card
50X CD-ROM
Creative 8X CD-Burner
Zip Drive (scsi)
Jaz Drive (scsi) Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
ergobob (40 posts)
Jun-07-01, 10:30 AM (EST) 3. "RE: Lock Up Survey" Working great here:System:A7V Motherboard with 4in1 drivers Version 4.29
Athlon 1100 with Bios 1007
512 mb RAM (Crucial PC133)
Win98SE running DX8a
Visiontek Geforce 3 (driver version 12 -- 4.13.01.12)
Two IBM GXL 20 gig 7200 rpm hard drives
SB Live Value
Creative 56K Modem
3Com USB Cable Modem
Adaptec SCSI for CDROM and Zip Drive
Internal Zip 250, Floppy, & Plextar 40X cdrom
Alpha top of line cpu fan plus 2 case fans in front over hard drives and 1 fan out the back in a Full Tower
300W AMD Approved power supply
Viewsonic 815 21" monitor
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Calgary_Train_Head (1 posts)
Jun-07-01, 10:46 AM (EST) 4. "RE: Lock Up Survey" I have lockups on my system.OS: Windows 98 SR2
CPU: AMD K6-2 400Mhz
RAM: 256 MB
Video: Voodoo3 16MB
All Drivers Up-to-DateOccurs most often in external views or when viewing sideways out of the cab.... Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
Zero_Signal (14 posts)
Jun-07-01, 11:18 AM (EST) 5. "RE: Lock Up Survey" LAST EDITED ON Jun-07-01 AT 11:20 AM (EST)Calgary_Train_Head, it sounds like you have the exact same problem that I do.My specs.PII 400Mhz
64MB RAM
12MB Voodoo 2
Windows 98 Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
jcj (4 posts)
Jun-07-01, 12:00 PM (EST) 8. "RE: Lock Up Survey" I HAVE LOCKUP IN ANY VIEW SOME TIME AFTER A FEW MINUTES SOME TIMES AFTER I START A TRAIN I HAVE THE NEW UPDATED DRIVES AS PE RYOUR ADVICE & ADVICE IF MICROSOFT DEFRAG & REINTALLED MY MACHINE IS A ATHLON 900 MHZ
320 MB RAM
VISIONTEK 32MB GFORCE2 DDR
20 GB HARD DRIVEPLEASE HELP ME I NEED TRAIN TO MOVEps I ALSO TRIED TO GET THE WIPERS TO WORK ON THE ACCELE TRAIN TO WORK WHEN PRESSING V IT DOES NOTYOURS
JOSEPH JUST
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amiekowski (4 posts)
Jun-07-01, 11:50 AM (EST) 6. "RE: Lock Up Survey" Works fine. Frame rates a little low at times.PIII - 650 MHz
128 MB RAM
10 MB video memory
30 GIG Hard DriveArt Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
amiekowski (4 posts)
Jun-07-01, 11:58 AM (EST) 7. "RE: Lock Up Survey" Works fine. Frame rates a little low at times.HP Pentium III - 650 MHz
Hard Drive - 30 Gigs
Video Memory - 10 MB
RAM - 128 MBArt Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
rhcp (39 posts)
Jun-07-01, 12:38 PM (EST) 9. "RE: Lock Up Survey" Same kept happening here. Mostly when I pressed the "2" key.
PIII700
GeForce2MX 32
Asus MB
600 mg free
SB Live! Value Since my sound kept running in real short loops, I figured it was sound card related so I got the new drivers for my SB at soundblaster.com and so far seemed to fix it......
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buzzbenz (48 posts)
Jun-07-01, 03:01 PM (EST) 10. "RE: Lock Up Survey" I've had this happen a couple of times, when pressing "2" view, the machine will freeze up. BUT... this has only happened like three times and they were all after a long session of going into an acitvity, doing it, exiting, going inot another one, derailing, exiting, etc, etc. I had to jump in and out of acitvities like this something like ten times in a 30 minute or an hour period before this will happen, so i really don't consider it an issue - more along the lines of "Program Abuse" (wonder if that's a crime ).Sys Specs:
Built this myself:Athlon T-Bird @ 800 MHz
Soyo K7VTA Motherboard
300W Power Supply
128 MB Micron RAM
GeForce2 GTS 32 MB DDR
SB Live! Value
30 GB Western Digital HD (about 23 GB free)
16X DVD / 32X CDROM (Matsuwhateveritscalled)
4X / 8X / 32X CD ReWriteable (Sony)Also has a Modem and a Real Magic Hollywood Plus DVD Decoder card.------ BUZZ Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
amjohansson (1 posts)
Jun-07-01, 07:34 PM (EST) 11. "RE: Lock Up Survey" It happens mainly in external view on my machine. Sometimes right when I go to external and sometimes I can run for 2 or 3 minutes in external before it happens. It has only happened once or twice in cab view. Strangely it happens most often in the Northeast Corridor with either of the Acellas.Specs:Home Built
Celeron @ 400 MHz
360 MB RAM
Creative Blaster Banshee (VooDoo Banshee) 16 MB
Crystal Sound Fusion on board sound card
10GB Maxtor HDD (4 gig free)
32X CDROM
4X / 8X / 32X CD HP ReWriteable
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BNSF (57 posts)
Jun-07-01, 07:44 PM (EST) 12. "RE: Lock Up Survey" Never locked upAthalon 1200mhz
128mb PC133 SDRAM
(Compaq)TNT2 32mb AGP 4x
80.0gb Maxtor HD
200mhz bus
SB 128 voice pciCompaq Presario 7000US Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
DKlemm (69 posts)
Jun-08-01, 11:24 AM (EST) 17. "RE: Lock Up Survey" Same here,never locked up. Do get low frame rates but that I believe is my fault and running to many apps at once.David Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
Chopper (18 posts)
Jun-07-01, 09:07 PM (EST) 13. "RE: Lock Up Survey" Experiencing lockups especially when using external views.Dell Dimension 4100 1Ghz. 256 RAM Windows 98 SE
GeForce 256 (Dell OEM) Driver 4.12.01.0532 Date 8-11-2000
Soundblaster Live Value Driver 4.06.00.0628 Date 9-15-99
DirectX 8.0
Norton System Works 3.0 - Usually disabled during sim sessions
Most Windows updates installed
IE 5.0 service pack 2
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PsyDoc (3 posts)
Jun-07-01, 09:47 PM (EST) 14. "RE: Lock Up Survey" AMd K6-2, 350Mhz clocked around 400.
128Megs RAM.
Creative Blaster TNT
SOund Blaster Live
20Gig HD
Win98 2e
50x CDLock almost inevitable, but only after I've been on a run for at least 15 minutes - usually more like 30 minutes. Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
vbluguitar (11 posts)
Jun-08-01, 09:17 AM (EST) 15. "Wow" OK, well it looks like we have a lot of people who never have lock ups and then some that do. The nice thing is that people with very different hardware are all having the same problem. This means that it most likely is a program bug. One user above said that it only happened after an hour or 2. Another said that it happed after a few minutes of play. My experience has been both. Sometimes it happens right away and sometimes it happens after 3 hours of play. One thing that I have noticed, if you keep the frame counter on (shift-Z) and stay in the cab during any frame rates below 18, and then go outside only when they are above 18, you can avoid the problem. In fact I have not had it crash since I started this practice. This is a temporary solution until Microsoft hopefully fixes it. Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
dfdco (3 posts)
Jun-13-01, 10:22 AM (EST) 28. "RE: Lock Up Survey" Let's face it fellow simmers: MicroShaft has released another hyped-up piece of junk WAY before assuring that it works. Lock ups?? All the time. And where are the vehicles waiting at the crossings? Route Editor is a joke. Options are minimal at best.
Where's the inevitable patch Billy-Boy??? And how much was Mr. James paid to write those rave reviews? What was HE running the game on, a CRAY? Aside from the graphics, this sim is very disappointing. Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
gxm149 (3 posts)
Jun-08-01, 10:59 AM (EST) 16. "RE: Lock Up Survey" I have mainly experienced lockups when switching from the internal Passenger view on the passenger trains to one of the external views and every time it has locked my computer forcing me to reboot. Fortunately it only happens as an occasional thing, but still annoying. I have also found that the sound seems to cut out along the Northeast Corridor root when you go under certain roadway bridges, especially near Chester south of Philadelphia. I am using a 466 MH Pentium II system with 128 MB of Ram, A Rage Fury Pro video card with 32 MB of memory on the card, A Soundblaster Live 3d sound card, and I have plenty of HD space free though I am not sure the exact amount. I hope this helps, thanks. Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
nihongo (9 posts)
Jun-08-01, 11:44 AM (EST) 18. "RE: Lock Up Survey" Is there an 'anti-lock' software you can run to stop this lock from happening?Or is the game not able to run in windows? I don't have it yet, is it similar to FS? Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
trainguy (2 posts)
Jun-08-01, 03:51 PM (EST) 19. "RE: Lock Up Survey" Locks up anytime, anywhere (usually after 15-30 minutes) without fail. I'm forced to power off the PC and reboot. This usually happens when switching views, but I've even had it lock up after just leaving the game paused for a few minutes.Intel Celeron 600
192M RAM
Hercules GeForce2 MMX 32M
Soundblaster PCI128 Sound CardI've tried turning down the hardware acceleration on both the sound card an video card. I've also tried different video card drivers with no luck. Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
railohio (2 posts)
Jun-08-01, 04:27 PM (EST) 20. "RE: Lock Up Survey" I've been having the same problem with the program. Typically for me it is switching between the external view and an cab view. I have been having the same problem everyone else is having. Usually resulting in my PC going to direct reboot or locking up with a looping sound. I was starting to think that this was a sound card issue but it may not be. Someone needs to take all these reponses that we are putting together on this form and forward it to MS development team. Brian
Railroads of Ohio
http://railohio.railfan.net900 mhz Athlon
Abit KT7A
16 Mb Voodoo 3000
96 Mb PC100
4 GB HD-66 mhz 5400 rpm (upgrading to 30 Gb HD-100 mhz 7200 rpm)
Philips Rhythmic Edge 3D PCI Sound Card PSC702 Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
Rock_Lobster (1 posts)
Jun-08-01, 06:48 PM (EST) 21. "RE: Lock Up Survey" Have the same problem, lock ups in outside viewsPII 400
96 meg Ram
Voodoo Banshee 8megs 4.12.01.1222 version
10 gig w/3 gigs free
Ran set up and tutorials fine. can hear sound when locks up but video freezesThanks
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busteryo (3 posts)
Jun-08-01, 07:47 PM (EST) 22. "RE: Lock Up Survey" I don't have the lock up problem after i get to my train but when the activities are loading almost all of marias pass and some of the other routes. Please help. reply if you have my problembut a solution to your lockups is open your cover if it is easy to open and sit a fan aimed right in it. I have had this problem with other programs. See if there is any saimillar people having the problem considering how long their computers have been running. then how long it is before it locks up in MSTS. Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
littlejeffy (2 posts)
Jun-08-01, 09:08 PM (EST) 23. "RE: Lock Up Survey" Only time it ever locks up on mine is when trying to use an add-on activity. Other than that no problems at all with stability.Pentium III-800EB
256MB PC133
Asus P3V4X, 1005 BIOS, 4.31v 4-in-1 drivers
GeForce2 MX 32MB 4x AGP, nVidia 6.50 driver
DirectX 8.0a
Sound Blaster Live
Logitech MouseWare 9.38 driver Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
TomGoodrick (87 posts)
Jun-08-01, 11:34 PM (EST) 24. "RE: Lock Up Survey" I finally had a lockup after many many hours of running. I have used external views on many occaisions without any probem. This lockup happened whil driving an Acela Express out of Philly at mile 8.0 running 31 mph in a 40 mph zone. I was using External View 1 when the inage just froze and all sound stopped. No inputs of any kind were possible.I am using a Dell PIII at 1 GHz.
I have 128 mb SDRAM.
My video card is an NVIDIA Geforce 2 GTS 4X AGP with 64 mb RAM and recent drivers.
I have a 30 gig drive with 17 gig free. Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
trainguy (2 posts)
Jun-09-01, 08:02 PM (EST) 25. "RE: Lock Up Survey" Well, I bit the bullet and did a reinstall of Win98 after reformatting my drive. I reinstalled MSTS and had only one lockup after 6 hours, a big improvement. The framerate also improved, which was a bonus. It's a bit of an extreme solution, but the lockups were driving me nuts, so I guess it was worth it. Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
MarkA (5 posts)
Jun-09-01, 09:33 PM (EST) 26. "RE: Lock Up Survey" I've had lockups 2 out of 2 times when running Flying Scotsman in Explore route mode. Both times was while using outside views (one was key 2 and the other was maybe 6 (looking straight down on front of train)). The sound was still going after the lockups. Both times required reboot.I've only run the sim for about 1-2 hours so far. No lockups elsewhere yet. I have to run the sim from train.exe instead of launcher.exe -rungame, as launcher takes over all CPU and slows frame rate to 1-4 fps.Also sim will not exit back to Windows. It just goes to a blank screen with Train Sim on title bar. Have to kill the exe from task mgr.400mhz PII 128mb ram
Win2k SP2
3dfx voodoo 3 16mb video
Awe64 Gold 16bit Audio
600mb swap file
About 17gb free disk spaceMark Anderson Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
Speedbrake (5 posts)
Jun-13-01, 09:31 AM (EST) 27. "RE: Lock Up Survey" LAST EDITED ON Jun-13-01 AT 09:32 AM (EST)I have time releated (vs view related) lockups, usually after 4-5 minutes. Locks screen and keyboard.Dell Dimension XLS R400
400 MHz Pentium II
256 MB SDRAM
geForce 256 3d Prophet 32 MB Video
(had Guillemot v6.35 drivers / changed to Nvidia 12.41)
Turtle Beach Montego A3DXStream sound
(most current from Dell site v4.06.1187)
30 GIG HD over 17 GIG open
Windows 98
DirectX 8.0a (loaded from MSTS Disk)I'm beginning to think my sound card is too old and that the drivers are not compatable with DirectX 8.0a
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JRB (4 posts)
Jun-13-01, 12:20 PM (EST) 29. "RE: Lock Up Survey" Train Simulator locks up in any view after about 3-5 minutes running, regardless of the route, locomotive, time of day, weather, price of tea. I explored this issue with a Microsoft tech rep, to no avail --- they've become strangely silent on the subject.JRBPentium III, 700 mhz.
256 MB
Soyo 6VBA 133 motherboard
Elsa Erazor X2 GeForce (32 mb), DDR, driver v. 4.13.01.1240
Diamond Monstor MX400 audio
50x CD Rom
Iomega 250mb ZIP
56K Modem
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SouthShore (10 posts)
Jun-13-01, 12:57 PM (EST) 30. "RE: Lock Up Survey" So far, so good. Was thinking of upgrading to Win2000 Pro, but I hessitate because I haven't had any issues yet. I get about 17/20 fps in any outside view (2,3,4) and depends on angle. Inside of cab I get between 24/30 fps. I have noticed that the faster my consist runs (speed)I get better frame rates.PIII 550
30 Gig H/D
Hercules Phrophet 32meg w/Nvidia 12.60 drivers.
256 Ram
1024 X 768 X 32 color.Using the following utilities:
Cacheman
End-it-all
Rambooster.I'am at Browning in Marias Pass and have yet to get a D/E (i.e.-uncoupling!) Knock on wood! I have also yet to get lock-ups or CTD (cash-to-desktop). Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
sustratiotes (2 posts)
Jun-16-01, 05:20 AM (EST) 31. "RE: Lock Up Survey" First installed MSTS, and got black screen on startup. Changed ASUS AGP-V6800 video card drivers to Ver. 5.33a (Asus beta, not Nvida ref drivers) and everything works fine now. Good frame rates (~21) with default settings. System specs:+ Asus P3BF (front side clocked to 133)
+ PIII 800 MHz
+ 256 MB PC 133
+ Asus V6800 AGP Video Card (32 MB DDR SGRAM, 2x, sideband off, default clock speeds)
+ IBM 7200 RPM H.D.,1 MB Cache (DMA Enabled)
+ Netgear Netgear FA310TX (V4.02 drivers) 10/100 Fast Ethernet Card
+ Creative SB Live Sound Card
+ PDPI L4 Game Card
+ Custom fan cooled case (twin 4" NMBs, run at 2/3 voltage)
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Master Qui Gon (83 posts)
Jun-16-01, 05:32 AM (EST) 32. "RE: Lock Up Survey" No Lock Ups after a week of play.AMD Athlon 1.2 ghz
384 Meg o' RAM
NVidia GeForce2 36 Meg
Soundblaster Live PCI
80 Gig HD with 50 gig freeMaster Qui-Gon Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
jrm252 (1 posts)
Jun-16-01, 10:01 AM (EST) 33. "RE: Lock Up Survey" Same problem here...Game freezes after 3-15 minutes.P2 350
Windows 2000 Advanced Server
192meg ram
Hercules GForce 2 MX
Soundblaster 16 Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
Aladar (5 posts)
Jun-16-01, 10:18 AM (EST) 34. "RE: Lock Up Survey : Computer SHUT DOWN !!!" Hi,
Great game, a little slow on my screen (specially the mouse) but my computer shut down every time I exit an activity. Really boring...PIII 600 MHz
384 Mo RAM
GeForceII MX 400 64Mo with latest nVidia drivers (12.41)
TNT2 32Mo (for a second display)
20 Go HDD
Asus P2BF MB
Windows 2000 with SP2 (french)Voila....
Aladar
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chuckzeiler (16 posts)
Jun-20-01, 09:43 PM (EST) 35. "RE: Lock Up Survey" I will get a lockup when I click on "Send Report" to Microsoft when the Microsoft Train Simulator crashes for any reason. Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

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