"Freight" engine used also for passenger service?

Hello!I need to know if the "freight" locomotives like the
GP38, GP40, SD40, GP9 etc ... are used also for
passenger service sometime.Which ones if applicable?Being an European I have problem in knowning the right
engine to use; where can I find informations about the
differences between the engines stated above?Thanks in advanceRoberto

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RE: "Freight" engine used also for passenger service?, JonN, Jul-03-04, 06:36 PM, (1) RE: "Freight" engine used also for passenger service?, dti407, Jul-03-04, 06:54 PM, (2) RE: "Freight" engine used also for passenger service?, NewEnglandRailFan, Jul-03-04, 09:21 PM, (3) RE: "Freight" engine used also for passenger service?, ASR_Q301, Jul-03-04, 11:15 PM, (4) RE: "Freight" engine used also for passenger service?, runaway_b_unit, Jul-03-04, 11:17 PM, (5) RE: "Freight" engine used also for passenger service?, erniep, Jul-03-04, 11:54 PM, (6) RE: "Freight" engine used also for passenger service?, greysprout, Jul-04-04, 00:23 AM, (7) RE: "Freight" engine used also for passenger service?, plainsman, Jul-04-04, 02:54 AM, (8) RE:, rsitaly, Jul-04-04, 03:13 AM, (9) RE:, longislandmike, Jul-04-04, 06:25 AM, (10) RE:, ASR_Q301, Jul-04-04, 07:58 PM, (11) RE:, davereage, Jul-04-04, 10:52 PM, (12) RE:, longislandmike, Jul-05-04, 08:26 AM, (13) RE: "Freight" engine used also for passenger service?, milepost56, Jul-05-04, 03:05 PM, (14) RE: "Freight" engine used also for passenger service?, ghyybbn, Jul-31-04, 00:07 AM, (15) RE:, whleighton, Jul-31-04, 00:24 AM, (16) RE:, mrmike, Jul-31-04, 02:38 AM, (17) RE:, ghyybbn, Jul-31-04, 01:42 PM, (19) RE:, GaryH2, Aug-04-04, 06:27 AM, (22) RE: "Freight" engine used also for passenger service?, callagst, Jul-31-04, 12:51 PM, (18) RE: "Freight" engine used also for passenger service?, imprezzed, Aug-02-04, 08:30 PM, (20) RE: "Freight" engine used also for passenger service?, LRC_lover_9th, Aug-08-04, 12:38 PM, (28) RE: "Freight" engine used also for passenger service?, Night_Train, Aug-04-04, 04:45 AM, (21) RE: "Freight" engine used also for passenger service?, runaway_b_unit, Aug-04-04, 10:32 PM, (24) RE: "Freight" engine used also for passenger service?, rsitaly, Aug-05-04, 01:04 AM, (25) RE: "Freight" engine used also for passenger service?, NewEnglandRailFan, Aug-04-04, 07:47 PM, (23) RE: "Freight" engine used also for passenger service?, rsitaly, Aug-05-04, 01:11 AM, (26) RE: "Freight" engine used also for passenger service?, Gixxer86g, Aug-05-04, 05:46 AM, (27) RE: "Freight" engine used also for passenger service?, BeaverMon, Aug-08-04, 01:35 PM, (29) RE: "Freight" engine used also for passenger service?, kylestabell, Aug-20-04, 12:43 PM, (30)

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Well, off the top of my head, some Mexican GP38-2s were used in passenger service. They were given high-noses to make room for a stem generator.The Alaska Railroad uses it's SD70MACs for passenger service. Head-End power for the passenger coaches is provided by a special car with a generator.Jonathan Nikiforovs.
Milepost 180, CP Belleville Sub.Repainter for Yonder Locomotive Works.

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Freight units could be used if there was no passenger power availble. Depending on the railroad, locomotives like the GP9 would see local passenger and freight service.

Greg Zoll

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Also, Scenic railroads use older stuff for passenger runs like Alco S1's, RS3's or GE U18B's or EMD GP7's and 9's-Dave

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Some railroads in the 60's and 70's ordered locomotives like GP38's, SD45's, SD40's and GP40's...but they ordered them with "Head End Power".Some examples of these were Southern Pacific and Erie Lackawanna's SD45's, which were extended at the end to accomodate a Head-End Power unit. These were called "SD45P".SP and Central of New Jersey also purchased the GP40P's. These had SD45 style flares (a spotting feature). The CNJ GP40P's were ordered by the New Jersey Department of Transportation, but run by CNJ. These later became GP40PH-2's on New Jersey Transit (still in operation today).On the GE side, NJDOT ordered some U34CH locomotives to run on the Erie Lackawanna in 1972. These were equipped with Head End Power (hence the H). They are identical to U36C's, but the HEP unit takes out 200hp. They have a feature where they can run as a freight locomotive (for work trains) or as a Passenger locomotive.>Mike Forster<
Perth, Western Australiapacificnational_nr103@hotmail.com
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Some east coast commuter agencies have special passenger equiped GP40's, some passenger service GP9's had large air tanks on the roof known as "torpedo tubes", BNSF still uses a few of these but on freight trains. A variation of the SD40 is the passenger SDP40.

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In the 70's our passenger power on Canadian National in northern British Columbia were F-7's (9100 freight engines). Usually single unit with a steam generator car behind to provide steam heat to the coaches.
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Ernie

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Many GP9's and ones from different makers (Trainmasters on the SP for example) of the same era were considered dual purpose engines, they could be used to either service. The SP TM's were used om commuter trains and then used on freight during the off hours. The EL units were NOT purchased for passenger service, they did not have steam generators, they were purchased because they had larger fuel tanks than the standard SD45.You will also see units "pinch hitting" for passenger units that failed on the road, or in case of the SP, because they had specialized equipment (icebreakers for over Donner)

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Even Southwest Chief had a BNSF Dash 9 as a lead headed out of Raton NM up Raton Pass last year. I don't know if the unit was cut out at the top of the pass or stayed on to Colorado?
Bob

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Thanks a lot to all!Roberto

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If I can add just one more answer to your question. Here on the Long Island RR, before the new engines and trainsets came in, the LIRR used GP38-2s and FA & F9 powerpacks (also MP15ACs)in commuter service for 20 years. Hey, really, it's your railroad use what you want!Mike

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> Hey, really, it's your railroad use what you want! ES44AC-P's??? Gen-EVO's? >Mike Forster<
Perth, Western Australiapacificnational_nr103@hotmail.com
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Ontario Northland sometimes uses a GP38-2 on it's passenger service to Toronto.Dave Reage - Beta Tester
Halifax, Canada

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Mike,I don't know those engines, but yes!Mike

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In the mid 50's, the B&M and the CNW ordered there geeps with modifications on the long hood end which housed the train lighting equipment. Soon after that the commuter agencies starting using new cars with 480volt power systems and went to modified locomotives like the F unit that could house a generator in the same carbody. If that wasn't available then they used power cars behind the lead unit or on the end of the consist were they could double as a cabcar. Most agencies now use covered wagon style locomotives like the F40 or F59 which have generate there own power from the prime mover.All modern Amtrak equipment is 480 volts and requires the proper locomotives like the Genesis or F40 that generate AC power from the prime mover in the locomotive. Any reference to other locomotives pulling Amtrak usually can be answered due to system failure on one of the locomotives in the consist. When the need for emergency help is required, usually the host railroad will lend power to Amtrak to assist to the next stop.

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I know what your talking about. I'm from california, but i live and work in germany, I have seen in CA, AMTRAK using SD90Mac's and 70's in full passeger sets. but me personally say what ever looks good, do it, ie...2x GG1 5 stripe and a lot of heavy frieght behind them !!!

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ghyybbn,"2x GG1 5 stripe and a lot of heavy freight behind them !!!"...surely, you jest, heretic!!! Besides, the G's weren't geared to pull freight.Bill

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Hi Bill, While the GG-1s were designed for passenger service, some of them were re-geared for freight service in later years. My Computer specs are in my profile
Mike
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Bill..I surely do not jest...I am a big fan of the GG1, so much so , that I wish they would bring back the majestic beauty ! And if you did some research on the GG1 you would know that it did in fact pull frieght! As I said "2x GG1 5 stripe and a lot of heavy frieght behind them"

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Indeedd GHyybbn is correct! GG1s were usually doubleheadded (MUed) for freights since their "freight" gearing was something like 80 mph (instead of the passenger gearing of 100 mph) Old Rivets (#4800 - the original GG1) was permanently geared for freight.I believe in freight the GG1s only used something like 18 of the 22 notches on the throttle.Both PC and PRR used GG1s for freight.More info can be found in the Pennsy Power books.GH

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The QNS&L always used a freight locomotive on their passenger trains. In the 50s and 60s it was GP-9 power (2 northbound, 1 southbound). Since 1973, except for the period when the Budd RDCs were operated from 1994 to 1998, they have used SD40-2s as power. No HEP, they use, and have always used, a power car similar to the ONR car available in the file library. Originally the power car also had a steam generator for heat, until the existing ex-Southern Crescent stainless steel cars were modified with all-electric systems. They also used the steam jenny for culvert ice clean-out in the springtime with a work train. Normally a spare board assignment lasting about a week, I caught it several times in my 28 years.

Steve C

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CN Also has a couple of GP40's geared for 75mph passenger service. They've been used in montreal on the AMT and have also been on the head of the American Orient Express and the odd VIA Train if VIA is short of Power.

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Sure do. In fact, I actually saw one doubleheading with an Amtrak F40 on the AOE at Ottawa Union Station.P.S. Thought I saw one the same day on the AMT at Montreal Station or as I like to call it Gare De Montreal.

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>Hello!
>
Roberto, this is not passenger, but UP business.http://www.trainorders.com/videos/download/000/90.wmv
right click and save pls.1.65mSD & GM are great for business,
mark

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Oh yeah, a lot of business specials are run with freight engines now because the railroads don't want to keep old passenger engines for them anymore. Sometimes a power car is used for power in the coaches, but if there isn't one then how do they get power? Do they use axle gererators, or do some of the freight diesels have HEP?

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Thanks for the movie Mark!WOW ... 2 engines for a very short passenger (more precisely business as you noted) train ... maybe it had to go over high grades.Roberto

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PC used GP9's for Passenger. I found this out the other day when I learned that Housatonic GP9 #7324 which is a former PC GP9 runs long hood forward and was set up for Passenger service with a steam generator in the short hood.-Dave

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After reading your answers, I have tried some passenger trains made by 2 CSX SD04 (I love the CSX DEKOSOFT set ...) plus some great Train Artisan luxury cars ... and, always speaking about MSTS, they worked perfectly in my opinion.I know that CSX doesn't offer a passenger service ... but as noted above, I love the set and the livery!Roberto

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Conrail also ran the GG1's.And the EL used the U34's on freights on the weekends quite often.Which didn't make NJDOT too happy.

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In the game I had 2 Dash-9's on both ends with the UK coaches (I like the Passenger View).That was 1 of my earlier "expearaments". (laughs like a mad scientist)

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I may be repeating someone but in my area most of the passenger engines for my local commuter trains are mainly SDP45's and two GP9's, Amtrak Rgeularly operates B44-8W's(the four axle Dash-8) for commuter service and the more commonly seen C44-9W's are used either as helpers or alternitives to the Genesis P40.

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