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Hentis (92 posts)
Aug-14-01, 01:10 PM (EST) "Oh yeah another one not looking where they were going" Either trying to end it all or just plain senile me thinks!!!! Any one seen a Mini van in MTS?
Woman injured in car, train collisionBy Jim Collar of the Northwestern MENASHA -- An 82-year-old Menasha woman was hospitalized Monday for injuries sustained when her car collided with a train near downtown Menasha. Viola Cummings, 701 Warsaw St., was struck by a Wisconsin Central train just before 11:30 a.m. at the train crossing near the intersection of Third and Racine streets. Cummings, who drove southbound in a mini van, was struck on the driver’s side of the vehicle by the westbound train. Onlookers said Cummings was apparently trying to make it through the intersection before the train crossed Racine Street. The train consisted of two engines and a grain hopper car. "Witnesses said (the van) did not stop at the crossing," Menasha Police Lt. Charles Sahr said. "It continued at a steady pace." Nurses at Theda Clark Regional Medical Center in Neenah said Cummings was in good condition Monday afternoon. The crash is still under investigation, officers said. Many accidents could be avoided if people stayed patient and didn’t gamble at train crossings, said Jim Tracey, state coordinator for the Operation Lifesaver train safety program. Tracey said people often misinterpret the speed of trains. Often, trains cannot stop before accidents happen. "Trains can stop, but they can’t stop quickly," Tracey said. "When people see a signal, they need to turn down the radio, listen and look before proceeding." The train crossing at Third and Racine streets doesn’t have gates that block traffic when trains approach. Bell and light signals were working when Cummings approached the crossing, Sahr said. Tracey said almost half of all train accidents happen at intersections that have some type of warning device. Last year, accidents at railroad crossings killed two people in Wisconsin and injured 21 others, according to the Federal Railroad Commission. There were 122 accidents at crossings throughout the state in 2000, the commission reports. In 2001, 44 railroad crossing accidents lead to 16 injuries with no deaths through May, according to the commission. During Monday’s crash, the train struck the van on the middle, rear portion of the vehicle, which caused it to spin and tip on its side before coming to a rest on the south side of the tracks. Neenah firefighters assisted Menasha police and firefighters to remove Cummings from the vehicle using the Jaws of Life. Sahr did not comment on whether gates are needed or sought for the tracks, which are located near an intersection with several businesses. Onlookers said there have been problems with the signal, including signals activating without a train in the vicinity. Sahr said the signals were not an issue in the Monday crash. "They were clearly operating," he said.
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Subject Author Message Date ID RE: Oh yeah another one not looking... bandwidth Aug-14-01 1 RE: Oh yeah another one not looking... Euston Aug-14-01 2 RE: Oh yeah another one not looking... Walt Aug-14-01 3 RE: Oh yeah another one not looking... Hentis Aug-14-01 4 RE: Oh yeah another one not looking... bandwidth Aug-14-01 5 RE: Oh yeah another one not looking... Hentis Aug-14-01 6 RE: Oh yeah another one not looking... bandwidth Aug-14-01 7 RE: Oh yeah another one not looking... Hentis Aug-14-01 8 RE: Oh yeah another one not looking... Walt Aug-14-01 9 RE: Oh yeah another one not looking... Gandalf Aug-14-01 10 RE: Oh yeah another one not looking... Hentis Aug-15-01 11 RE: Oh yeah another one not looking... Euston Aug-15-01 12 RE: Oh yeah another one not looking... Kevo00 Aug-17-01 18 RE: Oh yeah another one not looking... cjmaclean Aug-15-01 13 RE: Oh yeah another one not looking... nwallace Aug-16-01 14 RE: Oh yeah another one not looking... Hentis Aug-16-01 15 RE: Oh yeah another one not looking... Boweavel Aug-17-01 16 RE: Oh yeah another one not looking... dansherman Aug-17-01 17

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bandwidth (29 posts)
Aug-14-01, 01:52 PM (EST) 1. "RE: Oh yeah another one not looking where they were going" I saw that in the Northwestern this morning also. Just in a hurry!! I'm surprised she was still alive, getting hit broaad side. They put gates here in Oshkosh and preople still go around them. Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
Euston (119 posts)
Aug-14-01, 03:00 PM (EST) 2. "RE: Oh yeah another one not looking where they were going" Come on... 2 engines and a wagon (huh?, low horsepower?) its not like you would have to wait all day or anything.Do insurance forms in the US say: Do you regularly drive your vehicle over railroad tracks? If yes, don't even thing about using xxx InsuranceEuston

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Walt (99 posts)
Aug-14-01, 05:11 PM (EST) 3. "RE: Oh yeah another one not looking where they were going" I like the signs the old CNS&M used to put at crossings. They ran high speed interurbans at as much as 90 MPH. The signs said "It takes approximately 3 seconds for our train to pass this crossing, whether your automobile happens to be on the tracks or not." Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
Hentis (92 posts)
Aug-14-01, 05:18 PM (EST) 4. "RE: Oh yeah another one not looking where they were going" anyone post a piccy of it on here at all?
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bandwidth (29 posts)
Aug-14-01, 05:35 PM (EST) 5. "RE: Oh yeah another one not looking where they were going" They only picture they had was the women on a stretcher after the jaws of life got her out of the van. Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
Hentis (92 posts)
Aug-14-01, 05:46 PM (EST) 6. "RE: Oh yeah another one not looking where they were going" sorry I should have explaind it better. Piccys ofthe sign that you mentioned.
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bandwidth (29 posts)
Aug-14-01, 06:02 PM (EST) 7. "RE: Oh yeah another one not looking where they were going" Sorry, don't know what you mean by piccy's? Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
Hentis (92 posts)
Aug-14-01, 06:08 PM (EST) 8. "RE: Oh yeah another one not looking where they were going" LAST EDITED ON Aug-14-01 AT 06:08 PM (EST)ok dont worry about it.
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Walt (99 posts)
Aug-14-01, 07:38 PM (EST) 9. "RE: Oh yeah another one not looking where they were going" Sorry, I looked through all my North Shore books and no picture, although it was mentioned in the text a couple of times. The North Shore ran between Chicago and Milwaukee, with a branch to Mundelein. They had numerous grade crossings, and accidents were a major problem. The signs were part of one of the many safety programs they ran to reduce crossing accidents. Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
Gandalf (27 posts)
Aug-14-01, 10:16 PM (EST) 10. "RE: Oh yeah another one not looking where they were going" It boggles the mind! We eat at a restaraunt located nest to the UP mainline in Southern California. There is a gated crossing at a busy intersection in the middle of a very long curve. The other night, we watched a very long train pass and stop on the other side of the intersection, leaving the raod clear...Obviously the gates were still down. There are three tracks crossing the road. We watched in amazement as car after car after car went around the gates in both directions. This was bad enough on the "outside" of the curve where they could at least see a short distance down the track in both directions, but crossing the other way, one side was totally blind with 2 70MPH tracks still to cross.I knew there would be oncomming traffic (the three tracks go down to one, and the first train had obviously stopped to meet a train coming off the single track...sure enough about 5 minutes after the first train stopped, a good size train came rumbling round the curve at about 50. Thank God nothing happened. I was raised on stories from my grandfather about his days working section gangs in the 20's and 30's and my Uncle who was an engineer on the DRGW. It's bad enough that people have such little regard for their own safety, but hitting and killing or even injuring someone can emotionally scar an engineer for life.Stop. Look. Listen. Live!
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Hentis (92 posts)
Aug-15-01, 12:04 PM (EST) 11. "RE: Oh yeah another one not looking where they were going" To be honest I dont know of Much round my area ( Poole, Dorset GB) for cars but for Pedastrians...... we have a level crossing ( Full length barriers ) in the middile of our shopping high street ( I guess you guys would call it a mall but its uncovered) any way as soon as the bells start ringing and the lights flash the fun begins....... The stupid ( and yes I do mean STUPID ) shoppers start running to try and dodge the barriers ..... many times have I seen idiots ruuning and get smacked on the head or trapped by the gates. I tell you what I have never generally seen old people run so fast apart from trying to dodge the barriers when they go down, when they get trapped its a hoot as they panic cause they think the trains commiung straight away even though they are on CCTV . When people get hit or trapped I laugh my head off ( I get rude looks but hey there the ones that are hurting and feeling stupid not me!!!!!!!).
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Euston (119 posts)
Aug-15-01, 02:04 PM (EST) 12. "RE: Oh yeah another one not looking where they were going" LAST EDITED ON Aug-15-01 AT 02:07 PM (EST)Get this: near Blackpool (UK) a car swerved off the road and was hit by a Cordia 175 DMU - and the news said it was a freight train ( ) I bet that never happens on MSTS.Euston

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Kevo00 (9 posts)
Aug-17-01, 05:21 PM (EST) 18. "RE: Oh yeah another one not looking where they were going" I'm surprised the UK media reported that car collision into a nice new class 175 as a freight train considering the UK press brands any minor incident on the railways a crash, even when that 170 hit the buffers at Edinburgh Waverley. That Poole crossing is made ever more ludicrous of course by the fact that there is a perfectly good footbridge right next to the crossing for people to use when the trains are passing. Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
cjmaclean (141 posts)
Aug-15-01, 04:44 PM (EST) 13. "RE: Oh yeah another one not looking where they were going" In Germany there are usually twin lights each for both road lanes at grade crossings - one yellow, the other red. The rule of the road is that even when the yellow light comes on (telling the barriers are about to lower within a few seconds) ALL traffic going over the crossing, pedestrian as well as wheeled, is supposed to stop. When the red lights come on, the barriers do go down, and whoever still tries to dodge the barriers (if possible) is putting his life at risk. You learn that in driving school, and it was something my instructor emphasized when I was making my license. Okay, that isn't actually news, I suppose. Well, as for me, I remember having seen a clip of a crash test, train vs. car. I believe it was made in Britain, I think the loco running in front of the short consist to be wasted in the test was a 37 or the other one which looks similar from its nose (sorry, forgot the class number for that one, but the loco was in BR blue and yellow ).
Anyway, the clip was running, and there was that short train closing up to the cars real fast (70 to 80 km/h, I would estimate), the 37 (?) belching smoke from its exhausts.WHAM! The loco hit the two cars placed side by side on the simulate crossing broadside. Sparks flew, and flames erupted, and the poor 37 (or its look-alike cousin from that other class ) flew off the tracks and on top of the already wrecked cars. It was plain to be seen that the chance of survival for the imaginary passengers inside the cars would have been precisely zero, if not lower.
As for me, I will NEVER EVER play kamikaze games like these with trains. You do not need to be a genius to recognize that when a hundred-tons-plus loco crunches a one-ton-plus car there cannot be anything different from adverse consequences for the car's passengers.In our town there are actually two railroad crossings, one on the edge of the town on a busy country road going out of town to the neighboring towns to the south and east, and a second crossing near the actual station on a main street which is a bit less frequented than the aforementioned road, though. The crossing near the station has full barriers with folding gratings on the bottom side to keep pedestrians from diving through under the barriers. The other one has half barriers only. On the latter one I have occasionally seen people running the barriers even when they are closed. However, since about two
years ago there is a small platform not even ten feet behind the crossing with direction to Frankfurt, so when trains are coming from Frankfurt they are actually stopping right before the crossing to drop off and take on passengers, and after that continue to the main station into the town center. When coming FROM the station heading towards Frankfurt, the train has to slow down, of course, and is then stopping right behind
the crossing. I think the only real danger either for cars or pedestrians to get hit is when the train is going out toward Frankfurt. All right, the trains that are running to and from my town are "only" commuter EMUs (class 420 S-Bahn trainsets), but about one year ago, right in the next town, two young girls (22 and 18 they were, I think) were killed when they attempted to dodge the half barriers at the crossing there and were rammed by the oncoming train. That these trains have a single centerline coupler-buffer (Scharfenberg coupler we call them) right at side window height certainly did not help matters.Well, that's my two cents...
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nwallace (21 posts)
Aug-16-01, 06:50 PM (EST) 14. "RE: Oh yeah another one not looking where they were going" Ha,I have heard about gates being dropped on people who go through the red flashing lights (before the gates go down)Deliberatley to scare them out of skipping lights again, luckily there is enough time to get out before the train gets there. Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
Hentis (92 posts)
Aug-16-01, 07:34 PM (EST) 15. "RE: Oh yeah another one not looking where they were going" Most of the time the boke in the signal box cant be arsed to stop the barriers from lowering so yes he does it to put the fear of life into them but hey why shouldnt he..... I dont think they try it again!!!!!!!!Hentis
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Boweavel (56 posts)
Aug-17-01, 04:58 AM (EST) 16. "RE: Oh yeah another one not looking where they were going" I performed a good deed once..by lifting the booms for about 2kms' worth of vehicles on either side to get threw..the story ?well was late at night and i was first to the signal..20mins later !!! a train decides to show up, rolling at almost less than walking pace..eventually it and its 47 cars.(yes i counted i had been there almost half an hour ) and guess what..the bugger stopped his train with about 4 foot of the rear of the last car just near the very edge of the road..i couldnt believe it...so now im fuming, not mention the other 100 or so cars backed up on either side, so i rang the emergancy number...and you wont believe..the train aparently was having problems and it was basicaly unmoveable..he asked can traffic get around the train ( it was a single line ) i mentioned yes if it wasnt for the boom gates, so he said get a few blokes and lift em other wise we were gonna be there for a lot longer..so we did ...after over an hour...the cars had gotten threw and i eventually got home ( the sad thing is i live less than 500 mtrs from said crossing..longest trip home ive evr had ;} Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top
dansherman (11 posts)
Aug-17-01, 10:03 AM (EST) 17. "RE: Oh yeah another one not looking where they were going" Knew a fellow years ago who was trying to get home (way out in the middle of nowhere), but the train was blocking his crossing. He grabbed his trusty Winchester, aimed it at the train driver and said "Back that sob up or I'll do it over your dead body." Well, he got home that afternoon, but spent the next 90 days in jail. Lucky for him that everyone around (except the train driver) knew he was all bluff or he'd still be in prison. Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

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