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i have downloaded a few routes and when I try to start up MSTS or the tools it crashes before the main menu. any suggestions? i have all updates and xtracks. help is obliged.
CompmmuterP.S. I lost my cd!Newbie, but I have to give praise to the great route and train builders! thanks to all who build routes and trains! especially to you tram and subway builders! Long live MCT! Long live NOT!

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Installing one of the "Downloads" probably screwed up your MSTS, you copying something into the wrong folders !?Never add anything to your machine or individual Software until AFTER BACKING-UP whatever.Making a mistake, all you have to do then is to RESTORE after having deleted the mess created by Install or Operator Errors !!Looks like you will have to go back to "Square One", REMOVING MSTS and DELETING ALL OF IT'S FOLDERS before re-installing, including the April 2002 Update, if it is not MSTS-1.2 you are re-installing.O t t oEdit-P.S.: Just noticed that you "lost" your MSTS CD ? Looks like you will have to buy another one unless you got a Back-Up of MSTS on your machine !!!

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So is there any error message you get?

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yes. i get a S/DS right before the game should start.Newbie, but I have to give praise to the great route and train builders! thanks to all who build routes and trains! especially to you tram and subway builders! Long live MCT! Long live NOT!

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How does one lose a CD?Kevin Arceneaux
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>How does one lose a CD? By forgetting where one puts it.

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I don't know about that, why would it not be put back in the rack with the rest of the CD's? I try to keep mine in one place, considering my son and I share the computer, if I don't they get scattered all over the corner. And I know they do not have legs so it couldn't have walked out of the room.Kevin Arceneaux
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>I don't know about that, why would it not be put back in the
>rack with the rest of the CD's? My 2 CDs are still in the box, in that paper casing, which is lying somewhere in the living room...

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Having had to put up with many Computing Clients over the years, Kev, you have no idea how careless and disorganised some can be where CDs, Hardware and Software manuals are concerned ! My major client had to spend serious money once not being able to prove that the WIN Software they were using was properly licensed, not being able to produce the original CDs nor Manuals with the "Certificate of Authenticity" on them, having had to purchase multiple copies again.

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Otto, I am not anal about it, the shelve with the CD's is a mess, but they are ALL on it. Manuals go into a drawer in the filing cabinet, some never to see the light of day again.Kevin Arceneaux
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You've probably downloaded routes that require X-Tracks or the updated global tsection.dat file. My suggestion would be to install X-Tracks 3.7 before blowing away your MSTS installation. This will probably solve your problem....JBD

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thing is, i just downloaded Xtracks from this site! i have downloaded that Piccadilly route from msts.nl and it would never show up, either. think that has something to do with it?Newbie, but I have to give praise to the great route and train builders! thanks to all who build routes and trains! especially to you tram and subway builders! Long live MCT! Long live NOT!

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>You've probably downloaded routes that require X-Tracks or
>the updated global tsection.dat file. where does one find the tsection.dat File? through a search? what should I search for?
Newbie, but I have to give praise to the great route and train builders! thanks to all who build routes and trains! especially to you tram and subway builders! Long live MCT! Long live NOT!

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by the way, i have had this problem before and the only way to fix it was to reinstall. but my computer's cd-rom drive is the slowest in the world. to uninstall and reinstall would take a day!lest, that was with my old pentium 3 993mhz...Newbie, but I have to give praise to the great route and train builders! thanks to all who build routes and trains! especially to you tram and subway builders! Long live MCT! Long live NOT!

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I had no problem installing/uninstalling on my 380mhz machine....

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Yes, no X-Tracks can be a problem for most of the add-on routes out there now....No route showing up means that you don't have any paths defined in the route. Check to see if the .pat files are in the PATHS folder or if any were even put in with the route. If not, you need to use Activity Editor to create paths. Only routes with at least one path defined will show up in the actual game....JBD

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LAST EDITED ON Oct-13-03 AT 08:35 PM (EDT)

when i try to open it in the AE to make a path, it says: Error: Continue?
Failed to load Track Database.|Yes | |No|well, at least that's sort of what it looks like. but that was before the times of S/DS. now it won't even open before doing an S/DS. i don't have a screen shot because the S/DS came unexpectedly.Help?.?edit 1: P.S. if anyone has a hint to disable S/DS? like through the Registry Editor?edit 2: P.P.S. I am sorry if i am not the best dialog box drawer.Newbie, but I have to give praise to the great route and train builders! thanks to all who build routes and trains! especially to you tram and subway builders! Long live MCT! Long live NOT!

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First thing to do is open Windows Explorer (NOT internet explorer), make a new folder named Backup. Then browse to \Train Simulator\Routes. Select all the folders in \Train Simulator\Routes except \Europe1, Europe2, Japan1, Japan2, USA1, USA2, and the tutorial route. Move all the add-on routes folders to the backup folder (click and drag, cut and paste, however you do it you don't want anything in the \Train Simulator\Routes folder except the six default routes and tutorial route). Now try to run trainsim and see if it will run with just the default routes. If it won't, then your problem is in a consist, try Conbuilder, Route Riter, or Route Control Lite (from the file library utilities section), run the error checkers from there.If that does work, then one of the add-on routes is the problem. Copy or move one add-on route from Backup to \Train Simulator\Routes, start the game, run that route. If no error messages, copy or move another route from Backup to \Train Simulator\Routes and try that one. When the error repeats, you've narrowed it down to which route is the problem.

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thank you problem solved. thanks for the help. but i still need help for the LUL piccadilly route.thanks again,compmmuterNewbie, but I have to give praise to the great route and train builders! thanks to all who build routes and trains! especially to you tram and subway builders! Long live MCT! Long live NOT!

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