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LAST EDITED ON Sep-13-03 AT 12:20 PM (EDT) by Macster (moderator)

1) Read the README file that came with the download or is available under the *view* tab before you download. "Downloader Beware"2) Send the developer an email if you have a problem... yes, the one in the README file.3) Give them a day or two to answer their email. 4) Using the forum to create a "complaint" instead of using an email is surely "instant gratification" for you, but it is not the same as sending an email to the developer. Ever try or witness someone else using the forum to ask NALW if you can upload a repaint of one of their items... They don't consider a post in the forum the same as an email either.5) Ask for *help* in the forum instead of complaining. It works better, honest.
IE: "Can someone convert these 1024X1024 textures to 512x512 for me?" You *will* get offers of assistance from those who know how to help.6) Don't claim metal anguish or that the uploader has slovenly testing pratices... it's just not nice and it is clear that you are not asking for help, so you won't get any... (Did I need to say that?)7) Before downloading, did you review the file contents? Text files are readable *before you download*. Sound familiar? Cool, you've read this far... I'm proud of your achievement. 8) HEY! It was a free download. It may even come *without* support. If that's a problem... there are guys at MLT, DEKOSOFT, 3DTRAINS, etc who would love to take your money and provide *real* product support (On their respective products, of course.) if that's what is really needed. SO...In summary: Complaining in the forum provides chum for all the other complainers swimming nearby so you can all have a big complaint frenzy. Whoo Hoo... such fun!Publicly stating that you have a problem with a download and that you are asking the forum for assistance will have the opposite effect. People might actually fall at your feet begging to begin helping you out.
When the price of a "product" is free, the complaint department is probably under-funded and is therefore "unstaffed".


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Yep, you nailed it on the head!Kevin Arceneaux
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Pete
Hear,hear
If we creators goof send a calm email,PM,or at least in my case a friendly "Hey are you aware that..." post.
In spite of how much testing we may do,sometimes we do have a brainf*rt and forget something or Mr Murphy likes to point out that his laws are still in effect.
If we make an honest goof,let us know,we want to know, please don't act as though it's some sort of personal insult aimed at youGary S


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http://www.train-sim.com/cgi/dcforum/dcboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=3712&forum=DCForumID6 Long as it don't try to overwrite my system files without warning me first, I don't have a problem with it. I'm not everybody tho, so when you do upload something, it's best to delete or move the "build" folder that you have the working copy in, then extract and install your own zip to see if at least that works.Biggest argument in favor of open forum discussions, that 1024x1024 texture problem with low end video cards was discovered over a year ago, the reason many people are uploading 1024x1024 textures without alternatives (or at least a warning that you need a 32mb video card or better), is because most of them haven't gotten the word on it.

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LAST EDITED ON Sep-13-03 AT 01:38 AM (EDT)

Well said, Pete! VERY well said!Now hopefully folks will take heed of your advice....Henry<edited for clarity>

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Excellent post, Pete. Now how to we force people to read it? Can we convince Microsoft to make it a splash page in future versions of MSTS?I'd just add "search the forum" between #1 and #2. Most problems are not unique and often there will be a discussion right here that addresses the issue and offers solutions.I know I've had very good results when contacting developers off-line. Most - actually all so far, but I've probably just been lucky - have been happy to help, and discussing issues in private ensures that they will be much less on the defensive about potential problems with their work.Rob.

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Member since Sep-9-02 · 226 posts

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excellent post! should be required reading, especially for those who think that the world owes them something...unfortunately, the concept of common courtesy seems to have been lost over the past 25 years. a pity...Tim

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Very well said Pete.
This thread should be anchored.Hawk"First thing I remember knowin', was that lonesome whistle blowin'-And a yungun's dream of growing up to ride-
On a freight train leavin' town, not knowin' where I'm bound.
No-one could steer me right-But Mama tried."

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Quite, and it is now Anchored.Thanks Hawk.

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Member since Aug-7-03 · 61 posts

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Mr. W: Well said. But I think we should also occasionally drop the authors a line to say "THANK YOU". I am sure a lot of work goes into creating those great files in the library.Cyndi

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I have had problems with several things both pay- and freeware and have had never difficulties solving those probs due to the outstanding assistance of the community members!Cheers!SebastianFeel free to IM me on: sstyrnol@hotmail.com
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Just a quick Follow-UP

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I suddenly started having a weird problem with MSTS wanting to see a disk in my CDROM drive when it starts up... The odd thing is it didn't care "what" cdrom... Any cdrom would do. I figured that's not right and came here to search for an answer...I wanted to see if it had happend before. Figures... I'm not alone.Through searching, I found: http://www.train-sim.com/dcforum/DCForumID3/19805.htmlPerfect Solution... Never underestimate the power of a search function... Oh, if you want to search multiple words, you might want to press "AND" instead of "OR".Pete Willard

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Member since Jul-10-03 · 5 posts

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Thanks Pete. Now if I can just ask this question without seeming to whine....Everything was clickin' off fine in MSTS (with Cajon add on) until tonight. I've moved into the area of creating activities--thanks to many n-i-c-e people like you who have walked me through the rough parts. Thanks guys and girls. But back to tonight, I had just completed creating an activity,when I get this message:FAILED LOADING ACTIVITY HEADERS. I've reloaded the sim and still get the same message. Please keep in mind that--although I never complain--my ignorance of MSTS is still vast and comprehensive.Thanks in advance for your help.Dink

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