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Member since Jul-18-02 · 172 posts

Posting this to search for answers to which one would be better,well not better but give one more control
1--Skyconductor2
2-- Enviromental Controls I have sky2 and not really happy with its workings on XP so searching out an alternative Just Rollin Down The Tracks Dale

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Member since Apr-8-03 · 543 posts

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You do have Sky! Conductor v2.6, right? Not that I have any experience with the second program, but I was hoping to make sure that you've got the best possible setup for comparison.

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Member since Jul-18-02 · 172 posts

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>You do have Sky! Conductor v2.6, right? Not that I have any Yes I have skyv2.6>experience with the second program, but I was hoping to make
>sure that you've got the best possible setup for comparison. Just Rollin Down The Tracks Dale

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Member since Jun-26-02 · 724 posts

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Dale,I have used both a lot and much prefer Environment Contol because it gives more flexability and control. By the way, it does not conflict with Sky Conductor.I like EC's ability to extract skies and water from other routes and the ability to modify each season. For example, if you want frozen water in winter, you can do that.Bill Burnett

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Looks like I missed something, is Enviromental Control on the downloads? Nice to see you here Bill, you do like water in your route! I prefer mine in scotch!David

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Member since Apr-8-03 · 543 posts

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Well, EC v1.0 is in the library; no clue if it's up-to-date or not. I only personally downloaded it today, so I've no experience with it. The filename is envctl10.zip.

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Member since Jul-18-02 · 172 posts

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Bill myself,I've just D/L'd the EC so am about to read up on it and see if it has more user control or what.Not that Sky Conductor2 isn't good its great but want myself to be able to manipulate weather Just Rollin Down The Tracks Dale

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The question is, do you have to alter the activity to fit the weather? Like if an activity for NEC 4.0 is set for summer sun and you want winter rain in your environment program, will the program override or do you have to set the activity up in advance?
In FS2002 you have a couple of options. Using ActiveSky which is a real-tim eweather program (oh, if only we could have that for MSTS!) you just start your flight, open ActiveSky and it finds your location and downloads weather conditions realtime, and often. On the other hand, you can use FSSkyWorld (also from Howintheworld) to specify what types of clouds and preciptation will be in what layers (cirrus, startus, etc.) and then you create those layers before you start your flight. That means that those layers are universal for the whole flight, but the results are pretty dynamic all the same.TomTrain simming and flightsimming to my heart's content
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An activity has a preset season, weather type and time of day: you can't change that unless you change the activity.The environment is independent of an activity, however, in the sense that you can change the environment for a particular season/weather combination, without changing the activity. For example, you can add rain and take away fog through an environmental change, without changing the activity. (Swapping summer and winter is more complex, as you have to also separately change the terrain and object textures to show snow or not.)
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Well, I wrote Environment Control. Working right now on a version 2. I'll try to provide an un-biased comparison.Sky Conductor is an extraordinary utility. It makes the MSTS environment (at least the sky part of it) so much more realistic. When I first used it, I simply could not use the default MSTS environments again. Jak Fearon's (the guy that wrote SC) sky textures are absoutely beautiful.Also, it's very easy to use, once you get past the install issues. Changing the Clear Weather sky in SC changes the clear weather sky for all the routes that you've got. Same with Rain and Snow.Then we get to the problems with it, which I tried to work around with Environment Control.The MSTS environment works by looking at the weather and season combination that you've selected for your activity. It then looks up, in the "routename".trk file, in the route folder, the name of the environment file which corresponds to this weather/season combination, and fires it up when you load the activity. That's what activates all the details of sky, sunrise, sunset, moon, water, rain, snow, wind (!), whatever, that comprise your environment.That much is simple enough. In a basic way, if you want a different environment, you could create one with a new name, insert the name into the right spot in the TRK file, and you're cooking.The problem with Sky Conductor is that that's not the way it changes skies. The default MSTS came with default environments written into the TRK file (of course). Instead of changing the TRK file, SC simply copies new versions of the default files into the ENVFILES directories of each route (where the environment files are stored). The new verions use the SC sky textures, and are also altered in other ways.Sounds simple enough. But if you went into that default environment file, and made changes yourself; then you might say to yourself, I'll save a copy of the original somewhere for safe keeping, and use this original name, so I don't have to edit the TRK file. If you did that, the next time you changed SC files, your edited file would get written over, and you'd lose your changes.The basic idea of Environment Control is to make it easy to change the designated environment files in the route's TRK file. Also, to have a simple way to organize alternate environments which you might create, and to install them into the route.There are three things that EC does. (1)It stores sections of environment files, and makes it easy to put those sections together in different combinations to make new environments. (2) It keeps a library of environments you've assembled or you've downloaded, and has an easy way to install them into a route (version 2 will have a way to un-install them from a route). (3) It has a very easy way to select which environments that are installed with a route go with which Season/Weather combinations. (This is the "edit-the-TRK-file procedure).As an aside, what this means is that Sky Conductor and Environment Control are perfectly compatible. With Environment Control one simply loads the default MSTS files into the Season/Weather slots which your activity uses, select your sky in Sky Conductor, and you've got SC skies.But if there's another nice environment that you've got installed for that route, it's just as easy to switch to that one.Bottom line, in my opinion. Sky Conductor has great skies. But, by itself, it leaves you hobbled for really interesting experimentation with different environment combinations. With Environment Control, you get the experimenting-flexibility, and you can still use Sky Conductor!My humble opinion.Jeff Bush

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Member since Jul-18-02 · 172 posts

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Thanks Jeff for replying.Ive had SC for sometime and also the upgrade 2.6 which fixes a couple of issues with SC.Enjoy Jak's program very much but it like you point out can't create an enviroment for just one specific route but changes all.
Want to experiment with altering my env'file so am trying out your EC ,so well see what happens.
Just Rollin Down The Tracks Dale

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