Pink Engine Curse?

Something very strange has been happening with MSTS today. When I went to load it up, around noon for the first time, there were loud train noises all the time it was loading. When the screen comes up with Drive a Train on it, the noises stop. It has never done it before, and it doesn't do it on the desktop, but I have turned this on & off a dozen times and the noise is always there. No whistles or horns, just the sound of an engine. Will it eventually stop or should I try changing something?Annabelle

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RE: Pink Engine Curse?, annabelle, Aug-15-03, 07:51 PM, (1) RE: Pink Engine Curse?, DTA, Aug-15-03, 08:21 PM, (2) RE: Pink Engine Curse?, IcyFire, Aug-15-03, 08:27 PM, (3) RE: Pink Engine Curse?, derekmorton, Aug-15-03, 08:54 PM, (4) RE: Pink Engine Curse?, sniper297, Aug-15-03, 10:48 PM, (5) RE: Pink Engine Curse?, derekmorton, Aug-16-03, 05:06 AM, (6) RE: Pink Engine Curse?, rgh69, Aug-16-03, 05:43 AM, (7) RE: Pink Engine Curse?, Hovertrain, Aug-16-03, 11:05 AM, (8) RE: Pink Engine Curse?, DTA, Aug-16-03, 06:43 PM, (9) RE: Pink Engine Curse?, sniper297, Aug-16-03, 07:28 PM, (10) RE: Pink Engine Curse?, DTA, Aug-16-03, 08:12 PM, (11) RE: Fuschia Engine Curse?, sniper297, Aug-16-03, 11:45 PM, (12) RE: Fuschia Engine Curse?, John 136 6000 GO, Aug-17-03, 03:09 AM, (13) RE: Fuschia Engine Curse?, DTA, Aug-17-03, 04:53 PM, (14) RE: Fuschia Engine Curse?, John 136 6000 GO, Aug-17-03, 05:20 PM, (15) RE: Fuschia Engine Curse?, DTA, Aug-17-03, 06:09 PM, (16) RE: Fuschia Engine Curse?, OTTODAD, Aug-17-03, 06:31 PM, (17) RE: Fuschia Engine Curse?, DTA, Aug-17-03, 07:18 PM, (18) RE: Fuschia Engine Curse?, OTTODAD, Aug-17-03, 07:25 PM, (19) OINK!!, sniper297, Aug-18-03, 01:40 AM, (20) RE: OINK!!, OTTODAD, Aug-18-03, 06:57 AM, (21) RE: OINK!!, silvermeteor, Aug-18-03, 07:52 AM, (22) RE: OINK!!, Bing, Aug-18-03, 08:05 AM, (23) RE: OINK!!, drjoe, Aug-18-03, 09:05 AM, (24) RE: OINK!!, John 136 6000 GO, Aug-18-03, 11:41 AM, (25) RE: Tech support funnies..., Robber Baron, Aug-18-03, 02:18 PM, (26) RE: Tech support funnies..., annabelle, Aug-18-03, 02:30 PM, (27) RE: Fuschia Engine Curse?, GP15Dash1, Aug-18-03, 05:19 PM, (29) RE: Fuschia Engine Curse?, Lone_Gunman_SG, Aug-18-03, 03:30 PM, (28) RE: Fuschia Engine Curse?, DTA, Aug-18-03, 06:17 PM, (30) RE: Fuschia Engine Curse?, Motley24Crue2, Aug-18-03, 09:24 PM, (31) RE: Fuschia Engine Curse?, John 136 6000 GO, Aug-19-03, 00:48 AM, (32) RE: Fuschia Engine Curse?, bnsf4794, Aug-20-03, 03:06 PM, (33) RE: Fuschia Engine Curse?, storkels, Aug-20-03, 04:04 PM, (34) RE: Magenta Engine Curse?, sniper297, Aug-20-03, 04:23 PM, (35) RE: Magenta Engine Curse?, storkels, Aug-20-03, 04:40 PM, (36) RE: Fuschia Engine Curse?, OTTODAD, Aug-20-03, 04:54 PM, (37) RE: Fuschia Engine Curse?, DTA, Aug-20-03, 05:22 PM, (38) RE: Fuschia Engine Curse?, OTTODAD, Aug-20-03, 08:48 PM, (39) RE: Fuschia Engine Curse?, DTA, Aug-20-03, 09:13 PM, (40)

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My computer son was just over, (he lives next door), and he told me to check my CD drive and see if I had a music CD in it. I did. Took it out, ran MSTS again & no engine noise! He said that sometimes an older CD would cause the computer to do strange things. Thanks anyway.AnnabellePS It's hard to have brilliant sons.

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Its even harder to have thick mothers! LOL (no malice intended!, just a joke). My son does the same for me, as does Otto, and he is ancient!David

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Joke or not it's really uncalled for

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>Joke or not it's really uncalled for This is where David is missing out.
People are not 'thick'.
Once they learn not to leave music cd's in the drive, all will be well.Thick is like telling David many times that things are unneccesary.Derek

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Couldn't be pink anyway, only periwinkle cabooses (or is it cabeese?) cause that."Thick is like telling David many times that things are unneccesary."Looking in your profile, Derek, I note you're an Aussie, David's profile don't say where he's from but I think he's a Limey, and I know Shawn is from the USA. Me being a Yank and not all that familiar with the various meanings among all the people who claim English as their native tongue, I'm wondering if "Thick" is actually an insult, or intended as one. Example, "pissed" in the USA means angry, in Britain it means too drunk to stand up.Moral of the story, I know some people think "DTA" stands for "David The Arse", but assuming someone's post is mean spirited on an international forum frequently results in unnecessary flamewars. First thing is to confirm he meant what you thought he meant, THEN scorch the dirty bugger! ("bugger", BTW, is not considered profanity here as much as it is in Britain.) What exactly does "thick" mean in this context to different nationalities?

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>it is in Britain.) What exactly does "thick" mean in this
>context to different nationalities? 'Thick' would be taken to mean slow.Annabelle has admitted to being not computer literate, everybody has to learn, Annabelle is learning fast as far as I can see and I help her when I can.DTA on the other hand has shown that he is rather intolerant.Derek

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"Thick" in the UK means; dumb, unreasonable or idot, stupid.
"Thick" in the US means; not thin, stupid or even very friendly?Then again, that's British humor. Sometimes they say; "thick as a brick" which means a slow learner.Just an explanation.

Met vriendelijke groet,
Richard.

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>People are not 'thick'. Just thinly challenged

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The curse of english usage strikes again. Oh well! It cannot be helped, and I couldn't care less anyway.By using my son and Otto in the same post, I would have thought it very transparent what I meant. On one hand I have a younger person telling me what to do, as he has much more knowledge than me. Plus Otto helps me out who is a lot older than me. I am the thicky in the middle.Do you guys want everything on one syllable sentences?David

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Possibly you need to translate it into American for those of us too "thick" to understand the Queen's English!

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You always know what I mean Sniper, you should be the devils advocate on here! BTW I still have a love/hate relationship with that route of yours. Along with that addictive Island route, that smells of coconuts. LOL!David

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I thought I WAS the devil's advocate!I'm probably more tuned in to Brit humor than the average Yank, Monty Python and Faulty Towers were the best thing on US television before cable TV. Now that we have cable TV, the best things are reruns of Monty Python and Faulty Towers. At least we have computer games now, back then it was BBC on the PBS channel or Pong on the Atari, nothing else was worth watching. Before we had 5 channels of nothing but garbage, Ted Turner gave us 800 channels of nothing but garbage.I did some NATO cruises with the Royal Navy back in the late 70s, and spent a few days in England. Once I was hitting it off pretty good with a "bird" I met in a "Pub", but she had to run. She wrote her address down for me, and said "Will you knock me up tomorrow?" I DID manage to keep a straight face, but to an American that means something entirely different from what she meant!

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" She wrote her address down for me, and said "Will you knock me up tomorrow?" I DID manage to keep a straight face, but to an American that means something entirely different from what she meant!"In the past I've made a few comments about the differences in usage of various terms around the "English speaking world". That expression is one of the examples I've used of the way things can have quite different meanings in different places. There's more than one man who, having emigrated to N. America from Britain, has got himself into an embarrassing situation by the use of the expression "knock up".Another example, within North America, would be the use of the word "boy" to address someone. In certain parts of the Maritime provinces of Canada - especially Newfoundland - it's friendly and informal way of addressing someone (obviously addressing a male!). Somewhat similar to a Brit or Aussie using the term "mate". As and example, in a Newfoundland campsite, my wife and I were strolling towards the river, wearing swimming gear and carrying a towel and we met a young fellow and his lady coming the other way. He comment to me was "She's cold, Boy!, refering to the river water. (I thought it moderately warm, but then I'm more accostomed to swimming in Lake Ontario). Now in the Souther States, I understand that addressing a fellow as "boy" could lead to trouble, since it's a serious put-down.In and international forum, we do have to be careful about (a) what language we use, and (b) how we interpret things. Since it's quite likely that some of these variations of usage are not known to the users (would DTA know that to "knock someone up" in N. America means to make that person pregnant? rather than to make a casual visit to that person?) we should also be a bit careful about taking offense.While I do feel that some of DTAs posts have been not at tactful as they might have been, I didn't think his post in this case was bad - if you read the whole thing, not just half a sentence. Like he wrote, the references to both his son and to Ottodad take the possible sting out of it. The term "thick" in this context is somewhat similar to the N. American use of the word "Dumb" to mean someone who is not very smart. It can have a fairly wide range of meaning, from quite mild to quite extreme, which had to be read from the context in which it is used. And incidentally, since the original meaning of the word "dumb" is "unable to speak" it is a rather offensive slang variation since it equates a physical disability with a lack of intelligence. Seems to me there are to many thin skins around here, and to many people who are quick to quick to point out the shortcomings of others and forget that we all started life with the same amount of knowledge and experience. CheersJohn

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Well put, and I must admit tact is not my strongest point! LOL!Regarding Knock me up, In the south of the UK, it has the same meaning as the US, i.e. get somone pregnant. Knock me up in the north of England, dates back to the times, before alarm clocks, when knockers used to ride round on bikes literally knocking on windows, to get miners awake for their coal shifts. Sadly, I am one of those nerds who completes the Telegraph crossword everyday, (incidentally, crosswords in the UK and the US are also totally different, another piece of useless information!). I have always been interested in the use of english, and words and there changing meanings. Everyone should have a hobby!David

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Now that's interesting. When I grew up, in the south of England (born in Hillingon - almost the west end of the Pickadily Line), spent most of my youth living in Sudbury (Middlesex) a few minutes from Sudbury Town Station (also Pickadilly Line), then lived in High Wycombe for few years before coming to Canada. I also spent some of my school time at a boarding school just outside Canterbury. That I think qualifies as Southern England. I do have North connections also (Mum came from Liverpool), and west country connections (Dad's family came from Devon, though he was born and raised in Swindon - great Railway town that it then was).I always knew the expression "knock up" as meaning to call on someone casually, without any particular appointment or advance arrangement (except perhaps an invitation or understanding that you/I will knock them up sometime or other). I never encountered the sexual usage of the expression until after I had migrated to Canada. My understanding of the origin of the expression was that it was related to the door knockers with which most homes were equiped (at least on the front door). To visit someone you needed to knock on the door to get their attention to the fact you were there, and hence you would "knock them up" (similar to "ring someone up" to mean a phone call). The explanation Dave gave is obviously a credible one, also. Possibly this indicates a difference in origin in different regions. That would be quite possible in a country which until fairly modern times had very strong regional dialects (not just accents) such that people from different regions would have a very hard time understaning each other (try listening to a recording of someone speaking in the full dialects of Devon or Northumberland).It's really quite amazing how a topic can drift, isn't it. This started with Annabelle's pink engine woes, and ended up with a discussion of the etymology of English vs N. American slang. Marvelous.CheersJohn

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(Gets out Chambers and Oxford dictionaries):Knocker-up: someone whose job it is to rouse workers in the morning.Knock someone up: wake them by knocking, exhaust them, sl. to make someone pregnant.Knocking shop: a brothelKnock someone off: Kill someone, have sexual intercourse with a woman. (interesting double meaning there!).Knock Off: stealEtc etc. The general word knock, with various add-ons has a multitude of uses.If you haven't read them, I can only recommend the books by Bill Bryson. Start with "Notes From A small Island", and work your way through all of them, extremely funny with loads of trivia added. In addition he writes a lot about english usage in the UK and America.David

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Very entertaining and educating, guys !Knocked some more understanding of the variations in the English language into my old Austrian brain cells ! But making detrimental comments about a female's capabilities labels the man making it a "Male Chauvinist Pig" ! O t t o

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It was not detrimental, Otto, merely a joke. To be honest, I must admit I enjoy poking fun at fragile US sensibilities, especially when they rise to the bait everytime! As for the MCP accusation, it couldn't be further from the truth. I enjoy sitting at home while my wife works, love washing up, and like shopping at Tesco, though I admit some of my purchases don't go down too well! I can cook, although I leave a lot of mess afterwards, (never worked that one out!), and my rice dishes are beyond reproach, (basmati only, except for risotto, loads of water, rinse after cooking, not before).My wife hates MSTS, so I only invite her to see an activity twice a day, but as I have got her to like both cricket, and Neil Young, there is hope for her yet.A note to Sniper: Of course you are the devil's advocate, and you always have been. Train or non train wise, I couldn't do what you do, and you have my total admiration in both regards.David

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I know you were joking, that was just a general reference, sometimes applied to me, having had to put up with thousands of females, staff and customers, when I managed Supermarkets and Superstores ! O t t o

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It's all Annabelle's fault, she always starts these flamewars. Adam: "Lord, it's very nice here in the Garden of Eden, but kind of lonely. Any chance you could make me a perfect companion?"God: "PERFECT?! That's gonna cost you an arm and a leg!"Adam: "Okay, what can I get for a rib?"

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I purposely avoided reading this thread because of the way that it started off. Now I am oh so glad that I did. What a hoot. (No, that wasn't an owl. That's US slang for laugh!)DTA - I understood your comments and believed them to be a joke although I thought most of the humor was lame based on the way that I, an American, would see things. BTW, Annabelle is from the US too.Sniper297 - You always come along and cool things off with your humor. Are you sure that you weren't a comic in a previous life?John 136 6000 GO - Then you come along and you and DTA give us a lesson in the differences words can have in different countries.OTTODAD - Then you jump in and DTA goes from being "Thick" about American humor to a Male Chauvinist Pig.Sniper297 - Always the voice of reason, you wade through all of the fluff and firmly place the blame for this mess where it rightly belongs on Annabelle.It should be obvious that the good Lord got his money's worth when he told us all to speak different languages. We can't even communicate without stepping on each others toes when we speak the same language.This has been educational and a laugh on this Monday morning. Thanks everyone!Rick, President/CEO
Blue Ridge & Allegheny RR

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Churchill used to say in reference to the English and Americans, "We are two peoples separated by a common language." Surprised someone didn't trot out that one, if they did I missed it. Not incidentally, just playing a music CD shouldn't wreck the MSTs sound capability. While it is IN the CD tray, that I can understand, but not after it has been removed and the system is rebooted.None of this even comes close to the classic from the techies at Dell: They got a call from a woman who complained the coffee cup holder on her Dell computer was broken. Since no such device exists, the questioning proceeded. Turned out she thought the CD tray was put on the computer to hold her coffee cup: She was running out the tray, using it to hold the cup and one time forgot and closed the tray with the cup in it. I"m told the techies at Dell have a "laugh switch", which they can use to temporarily take themselves off line during a telephone conversaton. If they can't hold back the laughter at least the customer won't hear it. I don't know what they did to fix her broken coffee cup holder.Bing

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OK, great thread.OK Ottodad, now is the time for Aussie/USA slang terms that have different meanings.RE: Annabelle's fault and MCP's. Many of us seem to have a little of the "knight in shining armor" complex, jumping to Annabelle's defense ( defence for DTA ) at the "drop of a hat" ( wonder what's the origin of that phrase ). I suspect that a lady ( and I will always call her a lady, just the way I was "raised." ) with Annabelle's, ummm, life experience, can probably take very good care of herself when necessary. It is still nice to see chivalry in action.RE: Tech support
Tech: Right click on the desktop
Customer: OK
Tech: In the dialog box that pops up, click on properties
Customer: what box?
Tech: Did you right click on the desktop?
Customer: Yes
Tech: and you have no dialog box?
Customer: no
Tech: OK right click on the desktop again
Customer: I did and I still don't see any box.
Tech: Are you sure that didn't work?
Customer: I used a pencil, should I have used a pen?

Joe Morris
CRR #33
Vice President and
General Manager
Canton vRailroad

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LAST EDITED ON Aug-18-03 AT 11:44 AM (EDT)

>None of this even comes close to the classic from the
>techies at Dell: They got a call from a woman who complained
>the coffee cup holder on her Dell computer was broken. Since
>no such device exists, the questioning proceeded. Turned out
>she thought the CD tray was put on the computer to hold her
>coffee cup: She was running out the tray, using it to hold
>the cup and one time forgot and closed the tray with the cup
>in it. I've come across that story before, or very close variations, attributed to most of the major computer and tech support companies. I've also heard or read quite a few other stories about the relationship between techs and their customers, sometimes at the expense of the tech, often making fun of the customer, and occasionally both. I used to work in tech support (software, not hardware) in times gone by, and we had a lot of these stories circulating.
>I"m told the techies at Dell have a "laugh switch", which
>they can use to temporarily take themselves off line during
>a telephone conversaton. If they can't hold back the
>laughter at least the customer won't hear it. I don't know
>what they did to fix her broken coffee cup holder. In fact, all call centres have such a button, switch, key or icon on the screen. It's usually labeled "mute", and can serve exactly the purpose described by Bing. It can also be used to prevent the customer from hearing the tech asking someone else how to do something of an advanced nature (or very basic, for that matter, at some tech support centres). I prefered to use the "Hold" button - it was more dependable.CheersJohn

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Speaking of funny tech support incidents, here's an e-mail I got from one of the users at one of my clients last week:I spil;l;ed a gl;asasas of waster on the keyas asnd now thias ias whast happenas when I type./ Thias ias reasl;l;y asl;owing down my productivityl./Thaasnkasthias ias not as joke

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David,All of this only goes to prove (once again) that Britons and Americans are separated by a common language. Kurt

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"She wrote her address down for me, and said "Will you knock me up tomorrow?" I DID manage to keep a straight face, but to an American that means something entirely different from what she meant! "
I cant say anything "Well sir there's nothing on earth like a genuine bona-fide electrified six-car monorail!"My grandma says that Train Simulator was the cheapest train set she ever bought me

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Back to trains and english differences. Some while ago, I had no idea that a turntable in the UK is called a roundhouse in the US. I had an activity on the Ohio route which ended up at a roundhouse. What did I look for? A round house! Bailing off is another phrase that had me stumped, and there are any number of german translations into english, on the Pro train routes that got me confused to begin with. The more we learn, the less we know! LOL!David

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hehe very interesting thread, made me laugh Robert Steskal
Philadelphia, Pa

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>" Some while ago, I had no idea that a turntable in the UK is called a roundhouse in the US."Since I live in Canada, not U.S.A., I may be misunderstanding things, or perhaps we have a different usage in Canada than in the States (there are quite a few of those). I thought a roundhouse is an engine shed which is shaped like a ring (or part of a ring) with the shed tracks fed by a turntable. Then there are trucks and boggies. When I was a kid in England I used to see coal trucks in the sidings of our local station, while here in Canada we see the trucks in two quite different places - underneath locomotives and wagons, or on the roads.Oh well! We all speak English, don't we! John

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Yep, we all speak english, but us Yanks are the only ones who speak it properly... LOLJohn G
Southern CA, USA

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Just to get me caught up.I've been on this forum for several months and at the risk of looking like I'm out of it, what does this "LOL" mean that I see all of the time, I have some idea, but I really don't either. BTW, I'm an American also, in my fifties.Thanks,Steve

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One of you girls needs to help me out here, running out of synonyms for "pink".LOL = shorthand for Laughing Out Loud.I'm a kind of slow hunt & hammer typist (getting faster as the years go by tho, practice might not make perfect but it do improve speed!), so I don't usually do chat rooms, but I remember a few from the olden days.Back in the Days of DOS and Dinosaurs, before Al Gore invented the Internet, you typed something like "ATDT7735551212" on the command line to dial up a BBS. You could also set your computer as a host with the proper software, and someone else could dial up and you could transfer files back and forth and also "chat". Due to the slow speed connections in those days, it was common to abbreviate as much as possible since every letter you typed was 8 more bits that had to go thru the phone line. My current yap-yap would probably average 20 minutes per post at 300 baud.Some other shorthand;IIRC = If I Remember Correctly
ROTFL = Rolling On The Floor Laughing. Variations, ROFLMFAO = Rolling On Floor Laughing My Fat *#&! Off
BTW, California, you don't speak English properly either, youse guys out dere gots dem funny accents!

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Sniper,Thanks,Hey! I'm from California!Steve

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This "Abbreviations" lark has been getting out of hand over the years, accelerated by Computing and other advances in technology, especially in the USA !Getting so bad that a "Dictionary of commonly used Abbreviations" could prove to be a "Best Seller" ! O t t o

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Sadly, it already exists Otto! LOL! I see my wife and kids doing text messages on their mobiles and it does my brain in. I am going to be the last person in the world to get a mobile, and I was also one of the first to get a credit card (Barclays staff got them automatically), and when I got rid of it, it still had the original £15 limit! I have never used credit cards, and never will.David

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I didn't know you were a Dad too ? Not fighting with your kids to get in front of your MSTS Monitor, are you ? O t t o

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Not likely, they have both flown the nest, although one (Keren), is currently visiting and eating us out of house and home! Wouldn't want it any other way. Its somewhere to park my ex-PCs, but both have laptops now! David

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