M$TS locks up for 30 seconds..then frees..then locks

It does this all the time with any loco or train..with 5 different sets of Nvidia drivers (all un-installed and installed properly.)Win2000..all service packs installed, over a gig of ram, 1.5Gig processor..GF3-TI500 vid card.It all started as soon as I installed Direct X 9a. Of course I cannot un-install it now (per M$'s instructions.)..never had this trouble with the DX 8.1s.No new programs..except 3DCanvas and Adware6 added. (these after the trouble started.)It even locks up in the TSM model display window as well as M$TS.Displays were always and still are 1024 x 768.
32 bit color.As I said before..my sim worked fine until I installed DX9a.I could sure use any help on this.NOTE: PLEASE....Don't post "I have it an it works fine for me". This does not help... I know it works fine for some..but it does not for me....Paul.

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RE: M$TS locks up for 30 seconds..then frees..then lock, Motley24Crue2, Jun-24-03, 11:55 PM, (1) RE: M$TS locks up for 30 seconds..then frees..then lock, Stooopid_person, Jun-24-03, 11:59 PM, (2) RE: M$TS locks up for 30 seconds..then frees..then lock, GMOF3A, Jun-25-03, 00:11 AM, (3) RE: M$TS locks up for 30 seconds..then frees..then lock, DCRR1, Jun-25-03, 01:20 AM, (4) RE: M$TS locks up for 30 seconds..then frees..then lock, derekmorton, Jun-25-03, 02:50 AM, (5) RE: M$TS locks up for 30 seconds..then frees..then lock, obo, Jun-25-03, 04:28 AM, (6) RE: M$TS locks up for 30 seconds..then frees..then lock, sniper297, Jun-25-03, 09:43 AM, (7) RE: M$TS locks up for 30 seconds..then frees..then lock, GMOF3A, Jun-25-03, 09:54 AM, (8) RE: M$TS locks up for 30 seconds..then frees..then lock, sniper297, Jun-25-03, 10:21 AM, (9) RE: M$TS locks up for 30 seconds..then frees..then lock, Bing, Jun-25-03, 10:58 AM, (10) RE: M$TS locks up for 30 seconds..then frees..then lock, GMOF3A, Jun-25-03, 01:31 PM, (11)

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Well the question i have for you is.... your Video Card does it Support Direct X 9 100% if it doesn't then this is the main reason you are having Problems!Robert Steskal
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>NOTE: PLEASE....Don't post "I have it an it works fine for
>me". This does not help...
I have it an it works fine for me.

--You are reading my signature now, don't waste your time reading it!--
Eh, where did my signature go?
Where has my favourite LUL train gone? Maybe it was sent for bolt checking again...

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As I said Philip, your comments do not help..for that fact, I've never seen any post you've made that actually did contribute anything good.As for supporting DX9...I cannot say.The trouble now is..how do I get DX9 off my system without a system wipe and reload?

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Paul;
Try running DXDIAG. It should show any problems.
I can't think of any easy way to uninstall direct x.
Good luck
John

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Your dream has come true, directx busterhttp://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=directxbuster&btnG=Google+Search&meta=Derek

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Not sure what would be going wrong for you, but have you tried the guru3d forums? To start with, here is their NVidia troubleshooting overview:http://www.guru3d.com/forum/showthread.php?s=a9a1f2590b17628be91c531d9e159be3&threadid=43125In particular, they recommend the 30.82 drivers as being the most stable, so if I were you I'd settle on that version while you work on solving the problem. Once you get things going again you can try moving back to a more recent release if you feel like it.Rob.

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Supposedly you can't roll back an Nvidia driver without using Detonator Destroyer, and you can't uninstall DirectX either. The one time I had a similar problem tho, I found I could "roll back" to the previous DirectX version by booting into safe mode, running scanreg /restore and rebooting into safe mode again, then reinstalling DirectX 8 from the MSTS disks. Could also try that directX buster that derek provided.
Had the problem with two different GEFORCE 2 GTS/PRO cards, one a Creative clone the other a generic, neither one likes DX9, and both are slower and considerably more unstable with any Nvidia driver later than Detonator 21.81.

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Thanks Jim and gang. I'm seeing now that is may well be a GF card issue.I'm looking into another possibility, that an update of some sorts has caused a conflict. I can certainly shut down all applications..then run MSTS for a longer period without lockups..but it still locks....but, it looks more like what Jim has described, a driver issue. I'm wondering if I actually have all 5 driver versions trying to conflict at one time...hhmmmm.

Paul...
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Yeah, forgot all about that one. The whole point of Detonator Destroyer was to get rid of all previous versions since installing one version over another was iffy at best. I did do that with the GEFORCE 2 cards, erase all traces of previous drivers, but same thing, doggone things crashed/locked up with DX 7, 8, and 8.1, in either an AMD T-bird 800 on an ASUS A7V, or an AMD Palomino 1600 on an ASUS A7A-266, with any Nvidia driver later than 21.81 even with a squeaky clean install. The Palomino 1600/A7A-266 machine currently has a Ti-4400 in it happily running 40.72, but I gave the Thunderbird 800/A7V/GEFORCE 2 machine to Mike's mother, still with the 21.81, and fortunately she ain't interested in trying to tweak for more speed. FYI, I currently have a Radeon 9700 that came with this new rig, DX9 and 6.13.10.6166 pre-installed. Last month I tried the latest ATI driver and it ran like a 3 legged elephant, so I'm back with 6.13.10.6166. Whatever these problems are they're not exclusive to Nvidia.

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Paul - Absolutely get all but one driver off the system. Two are not good. Five are an invitation to disaster. Get and use Detonator Destroyer for Win98 or the equivalent for WinXP which I believe is NFR = "Nasty File Remover". RivaStation and Guru3D websites will guide you to these utilities. You might have to boot to Safe Mode to clean out the old drivers; if it were me I would not fool around. I would first remove ALL Detonator drivers, reboot back to Safe Mode, then reinstall the one I would be using. Just one. For me, with DX9, that is 44.03, the current "official" nVidia driver and I believe the first which makes real use of DX9 capabilities. Never, ever have more than one driver resident in the system. Some people say they can do it and get away with it. I say, why take a chance? You've got pieces of drivers laying around all over the place, is my guess. Your system ain't a gonna like it.Bing

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I thank you Bing...And Jim/everyone else. I'll work on finding the drivers and clean them all out. I have WIN 2000..so NFR is a "must" to do this, it looks.Thanks again folks..at work now..will try it at home tonight..P.

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