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jason7890Member since Apr-11-03 · 16 postsApr 22, 2003 12:05 PM

Has anyone else noticed that the steam trains aren't exactly realistic. i may be wrong as i only have the default ones but thenoise doesn't link with what you are doing. eg when braking the scotsman still continues to pour out steam and puff. Can this be changed for more realism?

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RE: Steam trains, mrmike, Apr-22-03, 09:24 AM, (1) RE: Steam trains, msoholt, Apr-22-03, 11:03 PM, (4) RE: Steam trains, heffed, Apr-22-03, 11:39 PM, (6) RE: Steam trains, msoholt, Apr-24-03, 09:22 PM, (12) RE: Steam trains, abarten, Apr-22-03, 09:24 AM, (2) RE: Steam trains, abarten, Apr-22-03, 09:56 PM, (3) RE: Steam trains, jjsluce, Apr-22-03, 11:27 PM, (5) RE: Steam trains, abarten, Apr-23-03, 10:33 AM, (7) RE: Steam trains, ndbprr, Apr-23-03, 02:52 PM, (8) RE: Steam trains, Fodda, Apr-24-03, 05:57 AM, (9) RE: Steam trains, Hovertrain, Apr-24-03, 01:17 PM, (10) RE: Steam trains, msoholt, Apr-24-03, 09:21 PM, (11) RE: Steam trains, baldwin, Apr-25-03, 03:38 PM, (13) RE: Steam trains, msoholt, Apr-25-03, 03:54 PM, (14) RE: Steam trains, msoholt, Apr-28-03, 12:34 PM, (15)

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mrmikeCharter Member · 494 postsApr 22, 2003 1:24 PM

RE: Steam trains

Jason,
Go to the file library search page & enter sndfix.zip
You'll be in business. My Computer specs are in my profile
Mike
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This Smile says it all"

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msoholtMember since Apr-4-03 · 40 postsApr 23, 2003 3:03 AM

RE: Steam trains

Tried a search in the trainsim library for all sections for sndfix.zip. Received no results. Can you verify, or suggest a search by section?

Marty
Box Elder County, UT
Home of the Golden Spike

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heffedMember since Apr-8-03 · 528 postsApr 23, 2003 3:39 AM

RE: Steam trains

It's actually sndfix10.zip. It also only applies to the Flying Scotsman, but it's worth it I think. I also like scotspol.zip which are shiny/polished textures for the Scotsman. She looks purdy all dolled up! -Jeff

Union Pacific is my drug.

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msoholtMember since Apr-4-03 · 40 postsApr 25, 2003 1:22 AM

RE: Steam trains

Thanks. I'll try that - along with some of the others below.

Marty
Box Elder County, UT
Home of the Golden Spike

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abartenMember since Aug-28-02 · 152 postsApr 22, 2003 1:24 PM

RE: Steam trains

There's an improved steam sound I found on an Italian site awhile back. I'll post the URL when I find it.Al Steam trains – image 2
http://alfredbarten.com

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abartenMember since Aug-28-02 · 152 postsApr 23, 2003 1:56 AM

RE: Steam trains

I found it. Go to http://ildeposito.cjb.net, select UTILITA/SUONI, then select Suoni per Locomotive a Vapore. These are sounds by Stuart Williamson.Cheers, Al Steam trains – image 3
http://alfredbarten.com

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jjsluceCharter Member · 172 postsApr 23, 2003 3:27 AM

RE: Steam trains

Hi Al. I can't get that URL to work. I get "The Page cannot be displayed".
See you
John

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abartenMember since Aug-28-02 · 152 postsApr 23, 2003 2:33 PM

RE: Steam trains

I pasted it in from the actual site. I notice that in my message there's a comma underlined at the end - this should not be part of the URL. Try removing the comma, or try this http://ildeposito.cjb.netCheers, Al Steam trains – image 4
http://alfredbarten.com

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ndbprrMember since Apr-9-03 · 19 postsApr 23, 2003 6:52 PM

RE: Steam trains

Smoke is not a function of accelerating or braking. It is a function of coal being added to the fire by the fireman. Steam engines don't function like internal combustion engines where you step on the gas and they go. There is a delay to burn the coal or oil, heat the water, turn it to steam and build pressure. That all takes time so smoke is not a function of whether the train is braking or not. There were many cases where a train would have a long hill to pull following a stop and the fireman would build as much of a fire and steam pressure as he could and often overfill the boiler with water to preheat it knowing that very soon the engineer would require more steam than could normally be generated. Steam on the other hand is a function of cutoff that the engineer establishes through the throttle position and the valve gear set up. As you move the valve gear toward center you reduce wear and stroke and generally increase speed. Steam should be reduced normally when a train is braking.

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FoddaCharter Member · 136 postsApr 24, 2003 9:57 AM

RE: Steam trains

A whole host of sound sets including Stuart's 2 cylinder and 3 cylinder steam engine upgrades are available for download from http://www.uktrainsim.com2 Cylinder Sound Set - V1.1 - Full Update <1415332 bytes> - 2cSndSetV1-1.ZIP
File ID: 2910 Date: 02 Sep 20023 Cylinder Sound Set - V1.2 - Full Update <1496520 bytes> - 3cSndSetV1-2.zip
File ID: 2896 Date: 01 Sep 2002Excellent sounds for player and AI engines, with information to tweak the whole lot for perfect representation on all engines. One of the must-have add-ons for MSTS.

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HovertrainMember since Apr-10-03 · 463 postsApr 24, 2003 5:17 PM

RE: Steam trains

I also found that a handful of locomotives will stop chugging when the regulator is at 0%

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msoholtMember since Apr-4-03 · 40 postsApr 25, 2003 1:21 AM

RE: Steam trains

Which ones? Can their sound criteria be applied to other engines? I agree that having the sound of the throttle wide open when the throttle (OK regulator) is closed is a little irritating.

Marty
Box Elder County, UT
Home of the Golden Spike

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baldwinCharter Member · 445 postsApr 25, 2003 7:38 PM

RE: Steam trains

All of Stuarts' files have this built into them, and are made for several different wheelsizes, and 2 or 3 cylinder. They are well worth the download and time to learn how to use them.mervyn@madasafish.com

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msoholtMember since Apr-4-03 · 40 postsApr 25, 2003 7:54 PM

RE: Steam trains

Sold: I'll have to give these a try.Thanks,

Marty
Box Elder County, UT
Home of the Golden Spike

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msoholtMember since Apr-4-03 · 40 postsApr 28, 2003 4:34 PM

RE: Steam trains

Wow, what a difference. I downloaded Stuart's 2 cyl file from the site that Al suggested. While it's still not true driver sync, it's pretty darned close - a big improvement.It's not an easy install, but following the instructions, and with a little trial & error I'm getting the effects I want.I started last night with John Fowler's SP Pacific 2479. I also noted that the driver rotation on the engine is too fast for the speed being represented, so I used the "b" file option for this locomotive. I suspect I'll use the "a" option for smaller-drivered engines. Anyway, the exhaust rythm seems to be appropriate for the represented speed now, and once you get above 30 mph or so, the drivers move fast enough that you really can't see the difference anyway.I did find that I had to sort of build my own sound files by adding much of the american sounds of bell and whistle to the FS style sms file included in this down-load. Not being particularly conversant in the building if eng files and so forth, I found with a little observation and trying things out, I was able to replace the English peanut whistle with a multi-chimed whistle a little more appropriate for the engine I modified, and added a bell. I am still not satisfied with the airbrake sounds, but I think I can play around with it a little until I get the effect back that the Pacific originally had.Thanks, again for the advice, and hope the same helps Jason 7890, who originated this thread.

Marty
Box Elder County, UT
Home of the Golden Spike

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