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Texas Eagle 550Member since Oct-2-02 · 65 postsDec 15, 2002 7:41 PM

Does the Empire Builder use 2 p42's or does it use 3. Just so I can be accurate as possible

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xlspecial261Member since Oct-25-02 · 78 postsDec 15, 2002 8:10 PM

RE: Question About the Empire Builder

I have only seen it with two units. The Roadrailers get added/cutoff at St. Paul, so I guess two units are sufficient to haul it through the mountains as they are in the flatter midwest.Todd Jones
(Been in the hole for that train too many times)

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Cell0518Charter Member · 347 postsDec 15, 2002 8:24 PM

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2 is typical. If you have a lot of Road Railers, boxes, etc.
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Texas Eagle 550Member since Oct-2-02 · 65 postsDec 15, 2002 8:34 PM

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The Empire Builder has Roadrailers?

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MacsterCharter Member · 1063 postsDec 15, 2002 8:48 PM

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The Empire Builder typically runs with...3 P42s, One is cut for the Portland Section of the Builder.
1 Baggage car - Seattle Section
Transitional Crew car - Seattle Section
3 coach cars - 1 on the Portland Section
3 sleeping cars - 1 on the Portland Section
2 Lounge Cars - 1 on the Portland Section
1 to 4 Washington State DOT Reefer cars - Wenatchee to Chicago/Chicago to Wenatchee
2 MHC or Boxcars out of Portland.. 2 usually to Portland.. 1 or 2 to Seattle..The Portland Section train is made up like this.
P42, Lounge, Sleeper, Coach, sometimes, sleeper, lounge coach.The Seattle Section train is made up like this.
2 P42s, Baggage Car, Transition sleeper, 2 Sleepers, Lounge, 2 Coaches.Hope this helps.

Brian E. Bundridge

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xlspecial261Member since Oct-25-02 · 78 postsDec 15, 2002 9:06 PM

RE: Question About the Empire Builder

>The Empire Builder typically runs with...
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>3 P42s, One is cut for the Portland Section of the Builder. Where is this third unit added? I only recall seeing three units on the Builder one time east of the Twin Cities. I've never seen or heard of them adding a unit at St. Paul. (I used to work there and was at Midway several times when the Builder made it's stop.)btw-I see this train about every trip I make.As for the Roadrailer question; The Builder hauls Railers between Chicago and St. Paul. They are cut off at Midway on the Minnesota Commercial where the Amtrak depot is located.Todd Jones

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IcyFireCharter Member · 1126 postsDec 15, 2002 9:05 PM

RE: Question About the Empire Builder

while were on the subject, what's the consist for the auto train?

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Texas Eagle 550Member since Oct-2-02 · 65 postsDec 15, 2002 11:01 PM

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P40
P40
Transition Sleeper
Sleeping Car
Sleeping Car
Sleeping Car
Lounge
Dining Car
Sleeping Car
Sleeping Car
Sleeping Car
Dining Car
Coach
Coach
Coach
Dining Car
22 Auto Carriers

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mttcrlsnCharter Member · 26 postsDec 15, 2002 9:05 PM

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Well back a few years ago both #7 and #8 ran with three units on average and on occasion even four units. But as Todd mentions they only run with two units on average now. During 2001 they had been running with two P40/42 units and a F40 but that stopped about the time the budget crunch really started to hit.

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TransconCharter Member · 1412 postsDec 16, 2002 3:52 AM

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I have a picture in my 2001 Amtrak Travel Planner that has four units on the front of the train...I saw the train in Wisconsin Dells, WI this past summer, it had quite a few Amtrak reefers and boxcars on the rear...------------------------------------------------------------I'll never let go of the railroad that inspired me to be involved with trains, the Union Pacific! Question About the Empire Builder – image 9 John Ekhoff
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IcyFireCharter Member · 1126 postsDec 16, 2002 12:03 PM

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I made a semi-prototypical consist in MSTS with 3 P42's pulling, then I chopped it down to 2 P42's, and Im still surprised it managed to pull 50 cars alltogether, I guess its just cuz there passeneger loco's and no one really thinks of them hauling more then 6 cars

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