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LAST EDITED ON Dec-07-04 AT 02:42 PM (EST)

As I sit here getting ready for work I think back on the great history my nation has. How it started from humble beginings of a people oppressed by their King and Country, seeking a better life.
We have come a long way from there.

However the further we go, the further from our minds go the sacrafices. Quoting Churhill, "never have so many owed so much to so few" (or something like that).

Today is December 7th 2004 and I have yet to see anything remebering the few (2,335 servicemen and 68 civilians) who lost their lives this day 63 years ago. Listed below are some facts and FDR's speech the following day to Congress.
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Sequence of EventsSaturday, December 6 - Washington D.C. - U.S. President Franklin Roosevelt makes a final appeal to the Emperor of Japan for peace. There is no reply. Late this same day, the U.S. code-breaking service begins intercepting a 14-part Japanese message and deciphers the first 13 parts, passing them on to the President and Secretary of State. The Americans believe a Japanese attack is imminent, most likely somewhere in Southeast Asia.Sunday, December 7 - Washington D.C. - The last part of the Japanese message, stating that diplomatic relations with the U.S. are to be broken off, reaches Washington in the morning and is decoded at approximately 9 a.m. About an hour later, another Japanese message is intercepted. It instructs the Japanese embassy to deliver the main message to the Americans at 1 p.m. The Americans realize this time corresponds with early morning time in Pearl Harbor, which is several hours behind. The U.S. War Department then sends out an alert but uses a commercial telegraph because radio contact with Hawaii is temporarily broken. Delays prevent the alert from arriving at headquarters in Oahu until noontime (Hawaii time) four hours after the attack has already begun.Sunday, December 7 - Islands of Hawaii, near Oahu - The Japanese attack force under the command of Admiral Nagumo, consisting of six carriers with 423 planes, is about to attack. At 6 a.m., the first attack wave of 183 Japanese planes takes off from the carriers located 230 miles north of Oahu and heads for the U.S. Pacific Fleet at Pearl Harbor.Pearl Harbor - At 7:02 a.m., two Army operators at Oahu's northern shore radar station detect the Japanese air attack approaching and contact a junior officer who disregards their reports, thinking they are American B-17 planes which are expected in from the U.S. west coast.Near Oahu - At 7:15 a.m., a second attack wave of 167 planes takes off from the Japanese carriers and heads for Pearl Harbor.Pearl Harbor is not on a state on high alert. Senior commanders have concluded, based on available intelligence, there is no reason to believe an attack is imminent. Aircraft are therefore left parked wingtip to wingtip on airfields, anti-aircraft guns are unmanned with many ammunition boxes kept locked in accordance with peacetime regulations. There are also no torpedo nets protecting the fleet anchorage. And since it is Sunday morning, many officers and crewmen are leisurely ashore.At 7:53 a.m., the first Japanese assault wave, with 51 'Val' dive bombers, 40 'Kate' torpedo bombers, 50 high level bombers and 43 'Zero' fighters, commences the attack with flight commander, Mitsuo Fuchida, sounding the battle cry: "Tora! Tora! Tora!" (Tiger! Tiger! Tiger!).The Americans are taken completely by surprise. The first attack wave targets airfields and battleships. The second wave targets other ships and shipyard facilities. The air raid lasts until 9:45 a.m. Eight battleships are damaged, with five sunk. Three light cruisers, three destroyers and three smaller vessels are lost along with 188 aircraft. The Japanese lose 27 planes and five midget submarines which attempted to penetrate the inner harbor and launch torpedoes.Escaping damage from the attack are the prime targets, the three U.S. Pacific Fleet aircraft carriers, Lexington, Enterprise and Saratoga, which were not in the port. Also escaping damage are the base fuel tanks. The casualty list includes 2,335 servicemen and 68 civilians killed, with 1,178 wounded. Included are 1,104 men aboard the Battleship USS Arizona killed after a 1,760-pound air bomb penetrated into the forward magazine causing catastrophic explosions. In Washington, various delays prevent the Japanese diplomats from presenting their war message to Secretary of State, Cordell Hull, until 2:30 p.m. (Washington time) just as the first reports of the air raid at Pearl Harbor are being read by Hull.News of the "sneak attack" is broadcast to the American public via radio bulletins, with many popular Sunday afternoon entertainment programs being interrupted. The news sends a shockwave across the nation and results in a tremendous influx of young volunteers into the U.S. armed forces. The attack also unites the nation behind the President and effectively ends isolationist sentiment in the country.Monday, December 8 - The United States and Britain declare war on Japan with President Roosevelt calling December 7, "a date which will live in infamy..." Thursday, December 11 - Germany and Italy declare war on the United States. The European and Southeast Asian wars have now become a global conflict with the Axis powers; Japan, Germany and Italy, united against America, Britain, France, and their Allies.
--------------------------------------------------------------------Mr. Vice President, Mr. Speaker, members of the Senate and the House of Representatives:Yesterday, December 7, 1941 - a date which will live in infamy - the United States of America was suddenly and deliberately attacked by naval and air forces of the Empire of Japan. The United States was at peace with that nation, and, at the solicitation of Japan, was still in conversation with its government and its Emperor looking toward the maintenance of peace in the Pacific. Indeed, one hour after Japanese air squadrons had commenced bombing in the American island Oahu, the Japanese Ambassador to the United States and his colleague delivered to our Secretary of State a formal reply to a recent American message. And, while this reply stated that it seemed useless to continue the existing diplomatic negotiations, it contained no threat or hint of war or of armed attack. It will be recorded that the distance of Hawaii from Japan makes it obvious that the attack was deliberately planned many days or even weeks ago. During the intervening time the Japanese Government has deliberately sought to deceive the United States by false statements and expressions of hope for continued peace.The attack yesterday on the Hawaiian Islands has caused severe damage to American naval and military forces. I regret to tell you that very many American lives have been lost. In addition, American ships have been reported torpedoed on the high seas between San Francisco and Honolulu. Yesterday the Japanese Government also launched an attack against Malaya. Last night Japanese forces attacked Hong Kong. Last night Japanese forces attacked Guam. Last night Japanese forces attacked the Philippine Islands. Last night the Japanese attacked Wake Island. And this morning the Japanese attacked Midway Island.Japan has therefore undertaken a surprise offensive extending throughout the Pacific area. The facts of yesterday and today speak for themselves. The people of the United States have already formed their opinions and well understand the implications to the very life and safety of our nation. As Commander-in-Chief of the Army and Navy I have directed that all measures be taken for our defense, that always will our whole nation remember the character of the onslaught against us. No matter how long it may take us to overcome this premeditated invasion, the American people, in their righteous might, will win through to absolute victory. I believe that I interpret the will of the Congress and of the people when I assert that we will not only defend ourselves to the uttermost but will make it very certain that this form of treachery shall never again endanger us. Hostilities exist. There is no blinking at the fact that our people, our territory and our interests are in grave danger. With confidence in our armed forces, with the unbounding determination of our people, we will gain the inevitable triumph. So help us God. I ask that the Congress declare that since the unprovoked and dastardly attack by Japan on Sunday, Dec. 7, 1941, a state of war has existed between the United States and the Japanese Empire.Regards,
Erik Pierson
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Erik
A Milwaukee talk station that we can pick up here in Chicago did note it and had members of that generation call in including one fellow that had a freind who's father was some big muckety muck in Washington and was able to see FDR give the Day of Infamy speech(the fellow then lied about his age several months later to enlist in the Navy)a good many of those calling in made the comparison to December 7 and 9/11.
Don't forget either that Dec 8 was also the day that ol Adolph made the really bad career move of declaring war on us as well.
BTW ABC radio news also mentioned the day as wellGary S


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There was quite a bit of discussion of the attack on Pearl Harbor this morning on NPR. A fair portion of it centered on the efforts of Adm. Kimmel's family to clear his record of the finding of "dereliction of duty" that he received after hearings on the attack.If you're interested in the history of the attack, by far the best books are those by Gordon Prange, "At Dawn We Slept" (from which the movie "Tora! Tora! Tora!" was developed) and "Pearl Harbor: The Verdict of History." He and his students also wrote "Dec. 7, 1941" which is an hour-by-hour account of the day. The National Park Service Historian for the USS Arizona Memorial also gave a short interview. He said the attack was successful because of "a lack of imagination." That is, the military leadership (and the civilian leadership as well) simply could not conceive of the Japanese being able to launch such an attack. I thought that was interesting, since that was essentially the same comment made about the intelligence community concerning 9/11. I agree on both counts - the people in charge just couldn't get past their preconceived notions about what the enemy was capable of doing. A fairly common story in military affairs throughout history.Andy

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Nice post Erik.Not that it's a big deal. But Regis made note of it this morning on his show. And I believe that the president made mention during his speech to the Marines at Pendleton this morning.I'm glad that some still remember.Have a sparkling day.
Bob

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I've been reminding folks all day,and quite a few didn't want to hear it.

"Hold tight,feel the drivers bite,hear the whistle moan.Engine rockin' to the left and right,vibratin' in my bones.Once the locomotive steals your soul,you got a Casey Jones!"---Ian"Lemmy"Kilmister

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I caught Tora Tora Tora on the History Channel today (about the 11-billionth time I've seen it) and it still never gets old watching it.
Of course I'm also one who likes "Midway" and "The Longest Day" too Met a guy who was on the USS Vestal (moored next to USS Arizona) one time. He said Vestal shook like hell when Arizona blew. said the keel of the AZ came out of the water a couple feet.

Brad

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"A Bridge to Far" has always been a favorite,as is "The Longest Day" and "Saving Private Ryan"."Sands of Iwo Jima" is another classic.But my favorite WW2 flick of all time is "Kelly's Heroes".It's fiction,but with a whole lot of historical detail.And the T-34 "Tigers" in "Kelley's Heroes" were re-used in "Saving Private Ryan".

"Hold tight,feel the drivers bite,hear the whistle moan.Engine rockin' to the left and right,vibratin' in my bones.Once the locomotive steals your soul,you got a Casey Jones!"---Ian"Lemmy"Kilmister

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I caught Tora Tora Tora on the History Channel today All great flicks gotta include Saving Private Ryan in there as well.
The movie Pearl Harbor is also OK once you get past the cheesey love story they had to shoehorn in for the female demographic(about the only complaint I had with the main part of the story was they couldn't decide if they wanted to remake Tora Tora Tora or 30 Seconds Over Tokyo so cramed them both together.
Met a guy who was on the USS Vestal (moored next to USS Arizona) one time. He said Vestal shook like hell when Arizona blew. said the keel of the AZ came out of the water a couple feet.
Don Brynelsen(OLN580) was at a local airport around here where they had a B-17 and a B-24 on display for the day(had to work that day myself)where he met a gentleman of an age to have crewed in a 17 when it was a working aircraft and not a flying museum piece,in their chatting Don commented on the Mephis Belle bomber jacket the man was wearing and comes to find out that this gentleman was the crewman(waistgunner IIRC) from Chicago on the Belle and that he was given the jacket by the actor that played him in the movie.
Don thought after the fact that he should of gotten some contact info from the man(Don's a writer)but thought of it too late alas the gentleman passed away a couple of years ago.Gary S


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