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Had an interesting weekend. My youngest loves first person shooters as much as he loves trains, so I bought DOOM 3 for his upcoming birthday. First problem, he has Windows 98, and ID Software has gone over to the Dark Side - DOOM 3 was written only for WINNT, either Win2k or WinXP. After seeing "wrong operating system, you won't be able to run this, install anyway?" I clicked on okay, go ahead, I'll see if I can figure out how to make it run on 98SE. So the next thing that comes up is "disk full". Mike has an 80 gig hard disk, but after creating a few hundred routes and painting 3 meg pictures with paintbrush a zillion times, he does tend to load up the disk. This time instead of spending several hours cleaning up his HD myself, I explained the properties window that shows used space versus free space, and told him to select and delete assorted routes and bitmaps until he got at least 10 gigs free. Mike is a high functioning autistic, and often goes where angels fear to tread, so the next thing I knew he had "non system disk or disk error" on bootup, he had deleted all his system files.I got a plan B for that, a complete backup of \Windows and the root files on another hard disk, so I restored his system after quite a bit of work and swapping hard disks around.Next I went web hunting, "DOOM 3 Windows 98", and sure enough found some genius hacker who figured out two bytes in the EXE file to make DOOM 3 run on any Windows version. I can't fathom why, if it will work with a simple hack, they chose to make it so XP or 2K was required? Possibly John Carmack bought stock in Microsoft and wants everybody to upgrade, this is the first from ID Software I've seen that has a 25 digit key code like Microsoft, and requires disk 1 in the drive as copy protection. Worst thing was the disk 1 asks for the keycode, "in the jewel case", yup, it's in there alright, but on the inside underneath disk 3.Anyway, after several false starts I finally got it installed, hacked, and running, and it looks worth the trouble.I'm Doomed – image 1I'm Doomed – image 2I'm Doomed – image 3One thing missing is a good sniper rifle, the early weapons are a pistol, shotgun, and light machine gun, and none of them do much damage until you get up close and personal with the bad guys. Hopefully there will be longer range weapons further on, I always prefer to pick them off from a distance. One cool thing is the bad guys, being demons, don't need light to see, so they tend to turn the lights out in a room before attacking sometimes.I'm Doomed – image 4You get a flashlight with an inexhaustable battery, only problem is you're apparently a one-armed Marine, since you can't hold the flashlight and pistol at the same time. That gets hairy, use the flashlight to find zombies hiding in dark corners, then quickly switch to the shotgun - and you're shooting in the dark, only catching glimpses of the target in the muzzle flash. You do get a few grenades early on in the easiest difficulty setting, so it's possible to do "reconnaissance by fire", toss a grenade around a corner and see if anything shoots back. Spooky atmosphere, great sounds, evil enemies and hazardous environments, what more could you ask?Worth the bucks IMAO.

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Looks nice, but the requrements for Doom 3 would KILL my current computer. Oh, well I'll have a new one by spring anyway...Jonathan Nikiforovs.
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I got it as well, works pretty good on my GeForce FX 5200 Ultra, if I put the quality on medium. Quite frankly, the differences between medium and high aren't too noticable when you're fragging away anyway. Runs pretty smoothly for me.Gameplay is good, but it gets repetitive after awhile. I'm surprised you let your son play a game with such blood and gore, some of the effects in that game even made me cringe a bit. Well as long as they know it ain't real

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Well, I ain't one a 'doze that subscribes to the theory that simulated violence is bad for children, and after all, Mike is gonna be 15 on the 29th. After Columbine the news media and pundits went spastic about the fact that the two kids had played the original DOOM. Conservative estimate over a million teenagers played DOOM 1, so if you're gonna draw any quasi-scientific conclusion it would have to be that DOOM usually PREVENTS teenagers from shooting up their classmates by a ratio of 499,999 to 1! Might as well make a cause-and-effect connection between ski masks and robberies, bank robbers often wear ski masks so if you wear a ski mask it might induce you to rob a bank? Better get Congress to pass a law against ski masks. And if any of the outlaws like vanilla ice cream a study should be made of a possible connection with the dairy confection. System requirements, yeah, they are pretty steep.P4 1.5ghz or AMD XP1500+
Windows 2000 or XP
384mb RAM
64mb video card
16 bit sound cardExcept for the OS Mike's system meets that;AMD XP1600+
Windows 98SE
768MB PC-2100 DDR RAM
128mb GEFORCE 4 Ti-4400
SB 512 PCIAnd like I said, it's a very simple hack, any freeware hex editor go to offset 00374F1E and F, change the numbers from HEX 45 78 to 00 00, and it runs just fine on 98SE. Wierd.I dunno about it getting repetitive, I just got to the comm center, and having a hard time doing it without cheating. Most first person shooters are set up to favor the "charge in full speed with guns blazing" over smart tactics, and this is no exception. Trouble is I'm 51 years old and don't have the reflexes for the fast approach (primary reason why I don't play deathmatch anymore, these kids are two fast for me these days), so I'm stuck with slow and cautious. It works for me, but unless there's lots of med kits and ammo it's actually safer to go like hell.One thing I still haven't figured out is the air cannisters, supposedly they give you a longer time on the surface, but I don't know how to activate them.I'm Doomed – image 8I died six times trying to get from one airlock to another on this level, finally made it by memorizing the route and running as fast as I could without stopping to shoot flying monsters. There are air cannisters on the surface, I just don't know how to use them.

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Hey Jim,My wife got Doom3 for me last week. Pretty creepy in some spots. I admit that it's scared the crap out of me a few times. The combination of sound effects, lighting, and music, really make it worth getting. That's all I've been playing for the past week.I'm in the monorail level, which from what I gather is only about halfway through. It is getting a bit harder to stay alive at times. I get so intent on seeing what's around the next corner, that I forget to save, and then I have to do it all over again!!!So far I agree with ya that it's worth getting. Oh, and BTW, all you have to do is walk over the air canisters to give you an extra 30 or so seconds of oxygen.Have fun, and watch your backside.Marv

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LAST EDITED ON Oct-05-04 AT 07:42 PM (EDT)

Looks like a pretty cool game to me. I prefer Grand Theft Auto: Vice City because sometimes I'll get bored of popping heads with my Colt M4, so I can just jack a car and go for a ride, maybe a street race or something. Then back to shooting when I get the cops attention......
Man, I can't wait for 10/21/2004 to come around so that I can buy GTA San Andreas (RockStar said it would be released on the 19th, but it probably wont hit the shelves until the 21st). >One thing missing is a good sniper rifle
Yeah, you would know, wouldn't ya.
I like the PSG-1 .308 Caliber LaserScope Sniper Rifle from GTA Vice City, although it costs an arm & a leg (how 'bout Phil's arm?), $6000.

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Marv, "My wife got Doom3 for me last week", if they made more women like that guys wouldn't be so reluctant to get married! I'm just now supposed to be heading for the monorail, only I passed up maintenance due to not having access, so I'm thinking I oughtta stop by there first if I can. Assuming one of the PDA gadgets I picked up since then has the right code. Here's a cool screenie from that level;I'm Doomed – image 15The visual effects are outstanding, at least that's one thing about ID software that hasn't changed. One thing I don't like is the constant spawning, you're sure you cleared an area and suddenly they pop up in all directions. If this thing has cooperative multiplayer it would help, when you're single player you get your back up against a wall and the wall drops down and zombies are shooting you in the back. I haven't read the docs to see if it has coop multiplayer yet, my LAN ain't working at the moment anyhow. Mike and I used to do team play against the AI bad guys in DOOM 1 &2 and Quake II, helps considerably when you're not the lone hero against all the evil minions. I'm wondering already if there's a mod for DOOM 3 that makes an easier difficulty level than "Recruit"! I can't imagine how anyone could play this on nightmare mode without cheating, even the easiest level is nuts. Thanks for the tip on the air cannisters, apparently I've been getting that extra 30 seconds and not noticing it. 30 seconds ain't very long when you get to be my age, I need all the time I can get just to think about which way to go!Mousy, I never tried GTA, altho one of my grandkids has a Playstation 2 with True Crime: Streets of LA, and of course as soon as Uncle Mikey tried it he wanted one too. No sniper rifle in that either. All the combat in DOOM 3 so far has been up close and personal, even the chain gun you shoot at someone 50 meters away and it don't really do any damage. Reminds me of the movie version of "Starship Troopers", the big bugs had no ranged weapons, only teeth and claws, so instead of getting a few hundred meters away and picking them off, these idiots were running toward the bugs with the assault rifles on full automatic, like they only had an effective range of 10 meters or so. When the bugs retreated, the troopers advanced to stay within range of the teeth and claws, THAT made a lot of sense.

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This is a really great game.Very true to Doom 1 and 2.And now we finally have an explanation as to why Mars has chainsaws.Check out Farcry.That game has got some great sniping fun,killer AI and awesome graphics.

"Hold tight,feel the drivers bite,hear the whistle moan.Engine rockin' to the left and right,vibratin' in my bones.Once the locomotive steals your soul,you got a Casey Jones!"---Ian"Lemmy"Kilmister

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Farcry, thanks, I'll look for that.Finally found the monorail, people think you have to go thru a lot in MSTS to get to the trains!I'm Doomed – image 17Not much of a train, two shorty cars.I'm Doomed – image 18"Station 2 will be the next stop, no smoking or shooting on the train."I'm Doomed – image 19Couldn't get the raildriver to work with this. I'm Doomed – image 20There's only one train, why do they have signals?Looking at all this it occurred to me again that it's a shame John Carmack isn't a trainfan, we coulda had really great trainsims starting 10 years ago. That guy really knows how to make smooth realistic animation.

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Anyone can tell what the music is like? I love the music in the UT series. Especially UT2K4. /JonatanSteam rules!
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Well, I'm definitely the wrong guy to ask, since the first thing I usually do for any first person shooter is turn off the music. If I feel the need to listen to music while playing a game I got a tape player and a box of old time rock & roll, pop in a Rolling Stones tape or something. Disco was really really bad, but what followed after 1980 isn't much better.That said, it don't seem too bad, something like good mood music in a movie (think "DAS BOOT", where the music actually enhanced the action on the screen instead of distracting from it). Which is fortunate since there don't seem to be any way to turn it off.One word of warning they don't mention on the box, it's more addictive than the PO&N, I haven't done any trainsimming since I started playing DOOM 3. Altho I have been driving a monorail today.I'm Doomed – image 26Hmmm, must be the end of the line!

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Hehe, looks like the ole Chaingun is back for more too. Tell me, does it do anymore damage then it did?-BeaverMon is no more, Ben D is here to stay-
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Jonatan,they did a killer job on the sounds as a whole.There's some parts of this game thnat scare the s**t(lose 25 points) out of me.It's really a great game.And VERY addictive.

"Hold tight,feel the drivers bite,hear the whistle moan.Engine rockin' to the left and right,vibratin' in my bones.Once the locomotive steals your soul,you got a Casey Jones!"---Ian"Lemmy"Kilmister

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>Had an interesting weekend. My youngest loves first person
>shooters as much as he loves trains, so I bought DOOM 3 for
>his upcoming birthday. I love this statement, followed by all the rich description of JIM PLAYING THE GAME!! LOL!!!

Clayton

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Huh? What? Quit distracting me, I'm trying to figure out this teleportation puzzle. I keep ending up back where I started and running around in circles trying to figure out how to get back to where I was so I can teleport somewhere else! Hee-hee, yeah, funny thing is I tried True Crime once, spent maybe a couple weeks on Thief 1, less than an hour on Thief 2, played Dues Ex all the way thru once, but every version of DOOM so far has had me hooked until the next one came out. Quake II was also like that, I still have Quake II and assorted mods on my disk and play it occasionally. In DOOM 3, Mike hasn't reported to the sarge yet, he's still wandering around the beginning level talking to the characters and trying wierd things."Hehe, looks like the ole Chaingun is back for more too. Tell me, does it do anymore damage then it did?" Looks like LESS damage, but that could be because the monsters are a lot tougher. They also tuned the physics in this one, at longer ranges I think you tend to miss a lot or something. Even the chain gun requires more precision in aiming, and of course you really don't get time to aim since you're busy reacting to the little culprits popping up behind you. I still think the easiest difficulty setting is too many monsters and not enough ammo, but of course I'm an old geezer now. I was 40 when DOOM 1 came out, did a lot better with that.

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Aim for the head.My Dad was in his 50's when he became addicted to Doom1/2 on our 486.He loved video games right from the get go.He brought home the Atari 2600 the day it came out.

"Hold tight,feel the drivers bite,hear the whistle moan.Engine rockin' to the left and right,vibratin' in my bones.Once the locomotive steals your soul,you got a Casey Jones!"---Ian"Lemmy"Kilmister

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Those FPSs just make me dizzy/nauseated on PCs. I do OK playing them on game systems because I can sit further back from the tv than I can from the monitor. Oh well.

Clayton

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