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Started by natebeal May 15, 2003 17 posts 8 min read

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natebealMember since May-15-03 · 1 postsMay 15, 2003 9:19 PM

Maybe I'm wrong here....but those pics of the NS train, look at the signals, arent those PRR style?? So is that train on the horseshoe curve line as well? I'm slightly salivating of thinking of running double headed k4's to Cresson...

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RE: NS Line Signals, Emmo213, May-15-03, 05:39 PM, (1) RE: NS Line Signals, dcushing, May-15-03, 06:18 PM, (2) RE: NS Line Signals, Emmo213, May-15-03, 08:03 PM, (3) RE: NS Line Signals, prr643, May-15-03, 08:15 PM, (4) RE: NS Line Signals, Emmo213, May-15-03, 08:28 PM, (6) RE: NS Line Signals, OhioCentral6325, May-15-03, 08:17 PM, (5) RE: NS Line Signals, Adam3291, May-15-03, 09:00 PM, (7) RE: NS Line Signals, Emmo213, May-15-03, 09:17 PM, (8) RE: NS Line Signals, Adam3291, May-15-03, 09:25 PM, (9) RE: NS Line Signals, Emmo213, May-15-03, 09:29 PM, (10) RE: NS Line Signals, Adam3291, May-15-03, 09:46 PM, (11) RE: NS Line Signals, OhioCentral6325, May-16-03, 03:48 PM, (13) RE: NS Line Signals, midimaio, May-20-03, 05:12 AM, (16) RE: NS Line Signals, Dokkensound, May-16-03, 03:01 AM, (12) RE: NS Line Signals, jdtrainman, May-19-03, 00:14 AM, (14) RE: NS Line Signals, ATF1224, May-19-03, 10:25 AM, (15)

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Emmo213Charter Member · 91 postsMay 15, 2003 9:39 PM

RE: NS Line Signals

The PRR had a large interest in the Norfolk and Western, and there are TONS of similarities between the two, with one of them being the signals. So no, you're not wrong, they do look like PRR signals. But at the same time, it doesn't look like the K4 will be included. But come on, somebody is bound to make it shortly after MSTS2 comes out. It's only a matter of time now.Brianp.s. Good eye, by the way, on the signals. I'm pleased they're all yellow.

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dcushingMember since Aug-14-02 · 128 postsMay 15, 2003 10:18 PM

RE: NS Line Signals

It sure looks like a K4 on the box top. Has there been some announcement that I missed that said there would not be a K4?

Duncan

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Emmo213Charter Member · 91 postsMay 16, 2003 12:03 AM

RE: NS Line Signals

Nope, that's the M that's at the Railroad Museum of Pennsylvania on the box. And no, they haven't said that there won't be a K4, but why show us the M if they have the K?Brian

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prr643Member since Sep-27-02 · 6 postsMay 16, 2003 12:15 AM

RE: NS Line Signals

That's no M1, take another look, no air tank above the pilot, very distinctive feature and even at that perspective it's to short for an M. Also, Steam pipes to the cylinders are visible. The M1 in screen shots is an M1b, and if you notice there are no steam delivery pipes visible because they where inside the frame. you can see both the M1 in the screen shots, and the K4 on the box at http://www.microsoft.com/games/pc/trainsim2.aspx. My bet is it's a K4 either numbered 3750 or 1361Tom von Trott

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Emmo213Charter Member · 91 postsMay 16, 2003 12:28 AM

RE: NS Line Signals

LAST EDITED ON May-15-03 AT 08:29 PM (EDT)

Ah this is true. Sorry, I should have looked at the picture longer. After blowing it up, you can't make out the number, but it does indeed look like a K4. And now I also remember why I've only posted like 100 times, too. I'll stick to my N&W. Good call Tom.Brianp.s. There's also a little larger pic of the box here http://www.microsoft.com/games/trainsim/

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OhioCentral6325Member since Apr-7-03 · 29 postsMay 16, 2003 12:17 AM

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How can you tell that it's an M1 on the TS2 box? The keystone is too blurry to see the number on the number plate. You can't see the side of the engine to see its wheel arrangment. Most importantly, how many frieght engines on the Pennsy had a drop-coupler? Yes, some of the PRR M1s did have drop-couplers, but there is no air tank above the pilot of the box shot. I think you need to get your information straight before posting on the forums.

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Adam3291Charter Member · 925 postsMay 16, 2003 1:00 AM

RE: NS Line Signals

Fellows I would like to point out to you the difference between a K-4 and a M-1 not counting the wheel arrangement. Do you see the air tank of the biolot of the M-1? Not look at the box for TS 2. Well it dosen't have one. The only engine that didn't have that was the passenger engines I believe so I have to say that it is a K-4.Adam

NS Line Signals – image 1
Norfolk Southern Piedmont Division, Linwood Yard, Linwood, NC
NS Line Signals – image 2
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Emmo213Charter Member · 91 postsMay 16, 2003 1:17 AM

RE: NS Line Signals

I'll probably regret this eventually, but ..... a) let's try to be nice here. I mean this to no one person, but in general. We're all guessing about this and don't have any real proof. I bet they haven't even started making the boxes yet so that might not even be what they look like and b) in the world of railroading, there are no true laws. See picture here for example. http://prrsteam.mrdek.com/k_5371.html Awaiting the responses, Brian

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Adam3291Charter Member · 925 postsMay 16, 2003 1:25 AM

RE: NS Line Signals

Hi Brain, this engine has a solid steel pilot. When the PRR converted there K-4's to the solid stell pilot the tanks where no longer put there. Here is a pic
NS Line Signals – image 3 Adam

NS Line Signals – image 4
Norfolk Southern Piedmont Division, Linwood Yard, Linwood, NC
NS Line Signals – image 5
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Emmo213Charter Member · 91 postsMay 16, 2003 1:29 AM

RE: NS Line Signals

That's commonly called the post-war version, correct? Again, I know a little about the PRR but probably not enough to keep up with you guys.Brian

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Adam3291Charter Member · 925 postsMay 16, 2003 1:46 AM

RE: NS Line Signals

Yes, those that had the solid pilots where the post war version. Kuju is modeling the PRR during the post war ear so all of the engines had the solid pilots.Adam

NS Line Signals – image 6
Norfolk Southern Piedmont Division, Linwood Yard, Linwood, NC
NS Line Signals – image 7
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OhioCentral6325Member since Apr-7-03 · 29 postsMay 16, 2003 7:48 PM

RE: NS Line Signals

Hey! That picture was taken in Trinway, Ohio, that's now part of Ohio Central. If you have ever seen any of the video tapes or been on one of the trips, a lot of the photo run bys take place in Trinway. Unfortunely, Trinway in that picture doesn't look anything like the Trinway of today. What's interesting though is there is a large vacant lot covered in stone with no vegetation in Trinway (this is where photo run-bys take place). Maybe that vacant lot was once part of the PRR facilites in Trinway that can be seen in the picture on the internet?Just something that I thought I might point out.

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midimaioMember since Jul-2-02 · 144 postsMay 20, 2003 9:12 AM

RE: NS Line Signals

The drop coupler was normal on any PRR with a modern front end. K-4s, L-1s, M-1as, an even some I-1s were known to have drop couplers.

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DokkensoundCharter Member · 414 postsMay 16, 2003 7:01 AM

RE: NS Line Signals

Those should be N&W Color position signals. While they were similar to the PRR signals there were a few differences. I think I have some N&W signal flashcards somewhere I'll scan and post some time.

Dokkensound
Train Artisan
Lighting & Sound

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jdtrainmanMember since Apr-8-03 · 179 postsMay 19, 2003 4:14 AM

RE: NS Line Signals

At an operating session in Chicago last night, we discussed this very issue.....N&W was a subsidiary of Pennsy originally. As stated previously, the position light signals were of Pennsy origin.Later in the game N&W modified the signals with colored lights, specifically red for the stop indication.....Looked at an N&W rulebook last night, too....only colors noted in position light signals were red or yellow.JBD

Jim Duncan
Team GM&O

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ATF1224Member since Apr-9-03 · 451 postsMay 19, 2003 2:25 PM

RE: NS Line Signals

LAST EDITED ON May-19-03 AT 10:29 AM (EDT)

We still Use N&W CPL signals here on the Winston-Salem District... These are the signal aspects for intermediate signals:
-----------------------------O O (Both Red) Restricting (Stop on an absolute signal)----------------------------- O
(Both Yellow) Approach
O----------------------------- O
(Both Green) Clear
O-----------------------------Absolute signals (Those with a home board) have the same indications except the may have multiple heads and a 3rd small light under the signal head.EDIT: Apparently the forum will not let me show the Approach signal as it is. It is two yellow lights at a 45 degree angle ( / ) from one another, slanting to the right.

Jake Mensel - Norfolk Southern Winston-Salem District NS Line Signals – image 9

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