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What do you think will be new in terms of routes? I hope the New Haven Line is one. I would like to see some thing in New York.-NHtrain

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Hopefully not MP 4.1 Hopefully something modern Canadian.....Later,
Chris Wilson
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I'd like to see the CP Galt sub....but actually...on second thought...I'd rather have MLT do this route then have M$ goof it all up!
j/kSomething Canadian!Jay http://www.freewebs.com/peterbiltsrule "Bring in the workers and bring in the rails, We got to lay down the track and tear up the trails"

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Something through the Moutains, Tennesse Pass? or Salude? or Moffat Tunnel?
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>Something through the Moutains, Tennesse Pass? or Salude?
You have been reading TRAINS , Haven't you?
It is hard to think that 2 poeple mentioned Canada and Tim Kent is not here yet? WOW, things are changing -NHtrain

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Well with only 5 routes being inlcluded, and one of them being in Germany, and the other being Horseshoe Curve in 1946, that leaves only 3 other routes, with one other probally going to the Europe, Russia, Africa, or China. I wouldn't be surprised to see a route from Canada this time around, and one other US route, most likely modern seeing how they already got a older US route, i.e. Horseshoe.What would I like to see...Donner ranks right up there as does BNSF across Arizona from Needles Ca. to Winslow AZ. About 200 miles, but combines desert running, and then climbing up to over 7000 feet at Flagstaff.

Chris Bogley
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Chris- I'd love Donner, along with Tehachapi, Raton, etc. But I doubt Donner or any other Borg route will get included. Licensing agreements, and the UP's well known stance against TS.

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>Chris- I'd love Donner, along with Tehachapi, Raton, etc.
>But I doubt Donner or any other Borg route will get
>included. Licensing agreements, and the UP's well known
>stance against TS. I agree Donner Pass is the one I wantFormerly Smp1151 & pathankful1

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>Well with only 5 routes being inlcluded
Acutally, It said 5 NEW routes! They will most likely keep all the ones they already have. -NHtrain

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We seem to have Enough Mountain running.......Canadian or the States......I would like to see more yard switching in an urban area.......or The "BN" racetrack through the western suburbs of Chicago...with the high density commuter system "Metra". The "Joint" line in Colorado would be nice too....if we have to have more grades.For our Canadian friends the bayview area right around the botanical gardens would be great lotsa a CN and CP action with "GO" commuters. But just running up and down mountains gets kinda boring........I guess I`m just used to high traffic flatland railroads.CG

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I second the Bayview idea!
hehe.I'd like CN and CP In toronto.
Maybe having all the GO lines.
Or CN from Toronto to Sarnia- for the VIA's.
I'd also like to see the BNSF in Chicago along the racetrack.Thats a nice area.

Rob.
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Sorry to burst your bubble, but don't count on the original 6 being included with the new 5 routes, and also don't count on MSTS 2 being compatible with version 1 stuff. Preapre now so you won't be shocked later.As for Donner, SP owned the route before UP took over, so they could eaily make it a SP route to avoid the UP stronghold, unless that also includes SP likeness.Whatever the case may be, I'm sure it will be worth the wait, as second versions of most PC games often are, but for now, I'll just enjoy what we got, because even after MSTS 2 comes out, it will be a long time before we end up where we are today with the countless add-ons.

Chris Bogley
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The only UP owned railroad that doesn't fall under the licence agreement is Western Pacific, so don't expect anything UP, SP, SSW, MP, DRGW, MKT, etc... in MSTS2. Look for either BNSF/BN/CB&Q/NP/GN/SP&S/ATSF, CSX/B&O/C&O/WM/ACL/SAL/L&N/RF&P, NS/N&W/SR/NKP/WLE/CG, Conrail/PC/NYC/PRR/NYNH&H/CNJ/LV/RDG/PRSL/EL/ER/DLW, CP/D&H/SOO, CN/WC/ACR/IC/ICG/GM&O, KCS, Amtrak, VIA, commuter lines, shortlines, tourist lines, or a mix. Also look for the possibility of rapid transit systems. The problem is that an accurately modeled New York Subway would crash MSTS because it would skyrocket the amount of objects per tile, and it would kill frame rates.I'm hoping for New York Central's Hudson Division from Grand Central Terminal to Albany or Troy, the Pennsylvania Railroad from Pennsylvania Station to Philadelphia or Washington, any branch of the Long Island Railroad, the New Haven Line from New York (GCT and Penn) to Boston, a portion of the Quebec-Windsor Corridor, the B&O Metropolitan Subdivision, the New River Gorge, the CB&Q's Racetrack from Chicago to Omaha or Denver, one or more NYCTA line(s), or the Channel Tunnel route from Paris to London via the CTRL. Having most of these would be great, but all would be asking for too much.

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What I'd like to see in MSTS2 is the Western Maryland mainline from Cumberland to Frostburg . That section of track is still in operation, and would be perfect for MSTS2. That short stretch of track has lots of scenery, a tunnel, and has 4 horseshoe curves in it. This would be a great route to model from the 50's.mrWM734

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John
Though don't forget UP is now marketing(read selling) their image and are apparently no longer afraid that MSTS will be used as a loco thief trainer so a UP route is not all that far fetched.Gary S

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Is it still Microsoft & Kuju doing the texturing and rout building? It would be a shame to see Microsoft goof up on Horseshoe curve area, as for many PRR fans out there that I know of, it is also sacred ground. Also, does anyone know what kind of locomotives they will be including, and if so, do you think that they will correct many of the issues they had with the first copy? (Ie, miss-aligned wheelsets, crappy texturing, poor physics, Missing snow textures, etc...)No harm meant by this, so for any body who may be offended by this post, I deeply appologise.

Thomas Pearce,

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I would like to see an Aussie route and a Russian or Ukraine route. For North America, I would like something in the Appalachians or Eastern Quebec, these areas are tough for the individual to model, and would be fun to run. For Australia, maybe something in Victoria. A route through Kiev would be interesting as well for the Ukraine. Finally, I know it won't be there, but a great route would be to climb the Transylvanian Alps of Romania.
Bob

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I'd be very surprised NOT to see a CP route included. I seem to remember hearing a lot about how CP was only too happy to participate in MSTS development. Maybe HAC will have something more to say about this.Having said that, I'd love to see something in the Toronto area.Cheers

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Since BNSF was a "partner" in version 1, I would suspect another BNSF route could be possible.

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need some eastern flavor in here, I'm hoping for the riverline, pre-CSX or something else NY related

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I, too, would love to see something from Russia or the Ukraine - heck, I'm sure RZD or UZ could need the money MS would have to pay them for their cooperation ! As for the rest - an Aussie scenario would indeed be nice, as would one from South America or Africa...maybe even narrow-gauge? That is, assuming that MS (or, more precisely, Kuju) recognized there is actually more than just one track gauge in the world ...
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1.SP's Modoc Line!!!!!!!
2.CR's Horseshoe curve....
3.an Aussie route - prehaps Melbourne to Geelong??? (then we could use R711!)
4.South african - Cape Town to Worster!!
5.Houston to San Antonio??? (lots of chemical and stack trains!!)What locos......???a new SD70M (but J/C is working on his one)
a good looking SD45 (similar to the quality of the SD40-2 in TS V1.2)
some F's or E's with proper unturbo 567 sound (PRR E8's!!!! + Horseshoe curve!)
GP60's?? (Kuju could get everything they want from BNSF!)
Cheers
Mike"What would you do if I sung out of tune? Would you stand up and walk out on me? Lend me your ears and I'll sing you a song, and I'll try not to sing out of key, oh - i get by with a lil help from my friends....." (The Beattles)17 year old train fan from Perth West Australia.

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I know this will come as a huge shock and be hard to swallow for many of you, but the US is _not_ the centre of the world. I doubt there'll be more than one or at the most two American routes. There are, after all, people elsewhere in the world playing MSTS too.I would guess that as there are five routes, there may be one route from each of the five parts of the world (America, Europe, Asia, Africa, Australia)

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Aside from Germany:America
Britian
Australia
Sweden
In other words: Everyone who helped out in the war!That's my 2 cents. Stand clear.----------------------------------FORMERLY 'THE KOZIOL' BEFORE THE STUPID DELETED ACCOUNTS DISASTERAL QAEDA IS SUSPECTED

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Sweden helped out in the war??? When???

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>Sweden helped out in the war??? When??? I think he means helped out the Germans. The "neutral" Swedes voluntarily provided tons and tons of supplies and raw materials for the Nazi war machine.But on a lighter note, why has no one mentioned India? That seems like a very promising route - great rolling stock, lots of diversity, spectacular scenery. The sheer density of objects might be an fps killer.

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I know the US isn't the centre of the world....CANADA is! LOLJay http://www.freewebs.com/peterbiltsrule "Bring in the workers and bring in the rails, We got to lay down the track and tear up the trails"

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I would most like to see a Norfolk Southern Route in MSTS 2, I would also like to see the BNSF Fort Worth Sub.I would like to see the LGV Paris Sud Est Route.Chris
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Not knowing the actual potential in Japan (initially, M$ Marketing must have foreseen some potential or they wouldn't have included the two Japan1 & Japan2 routes) I would place my bets for the three remaining routes as follows:- Some JNR High Speed Shinkansen route
- A modern day England / possibly Commonwealth route
- A heavy haul steam route (South Africa? China?)Just wild guessing...Lukas a.k.a Swissie

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>- Some JNR High Speed Shinkansen route
>- A modern day England / possibly Commonwealth route
>- A heavy haul steam route (South Africa? China?)
>
>Just wild guessing... I wouldn't mind any of those either - particularly not the first or third! Dominik Mann Visit www.tssf.de - www.bahn.de - http://mercurio.iet.unipi.it/ - www.eisenbahnforum.de

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5 Dutch routes! Okay 1 Dutch route is good enough, but from the north to the south though! (just 200 miles) A boundary crossing route, from Canada to the USA and back.A modern UK trackA German track, North-South route! And why not? An Australian route, never saw much Australian routes anyway.

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Would love to see the Rathole maybe from Danville south. That would be a good one. Lots of trains and mountainsA rapid transit line would be awesome. The high volume of trains on those is appealingAlso I bet someone will "edit" the 1946 horseshoe curve pretty quick to make it "modern". BobFlorida Railfan Page
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Birmingham to Atlanta in late 1940's. "Cresant"

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Well...
It seems to be:2 US Routes (PRR Horseshoe cuve 1946 and one modern-day Santa Fe route)
2 European Routes (one German and one Swiss (at least one modern-day))
1 Asian Route (Bridge on the River Kwai, mordern-day)

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>1 Asian Route (Bridge on the River Kwai, mordern-day)
Uhh, Last time I mentioned that I got flamed like I was in a tank of Hydrogen with a match lit. I would love to see it and I even play the Colonel Bogey March while in MSTS, but to many of the worlds good veterans would not like it(the movie made the thing many times better than the real, I leaned this through being flamed).-NHtrain

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>Well...
>It seems to be:
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>2 US Routes (PRR Horseshoe cuve 1946 and one modern-day
>Santa Fe route)
>2 European Routes (one German and one Swiss (at least one
>modern-day))
>1 Asian Route (Bridge on the River Kwai, mordern-day)
Uh...where did you read about the Santa Fe and the Asian route? Haven't seen any announcement about that.As for the German route - I think MS's original announcement spoke of a high-speed line and explicitly mentioned the name "Deutsche Bahn"...so I'd say you can make that two modern-day European routes with quite some certainty . That's because the Re 465, which I, too, take as a hint towards a modern-day Swiss scenario, is a fairly recent engine that was introduced in the mid-90s.
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Ahh, we have a winner: TrainFreak has correctly answered the question -- it'll be 2/2/1 and we know two of them: PRR and something Swiss; Germany and modern US make perfect sense, whoops what's this guess about the River Kwai?? I'm thinking something Aussie.Dave Nelson
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Dave
I saw (I think in the MSTS2 post in the General forum)someone had mentioned seeing photos of the real Kwai bridge on the Kuju(IIRC)site
Gary S

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I just hope a Hong Kong to Guangzhou East route.......with chinese loco,KCRC local trains,loco and KTT.......
From gamespot screen know that msts will have Re460....it can use for make the KTT loco
I hope M$ or kuju will come and see this topic.....

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I did hear roumers about Euston to Crewe.MS complained that not enough people bought M$T$1, I think they should have included a modern route instead of the long drag in it's 1920's form, maybe the long drag in it's rail blue era?--
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I'd like to see some down south lines with chemical industries and the southern swamplands and heavy forests. Also a canadian route would be nice. I hope that TA does the texturing etc. for the models for MSTS2

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They're might be a British route, on the basis that Kuju are British-based and have been sniffing around the S&D (link as proof --> http://www.sdjr.co.uk/SD7News.html ) and rumours are of a black 5 like this one --> http://www.uktrainsim.com/filelib-info.php?form_fileid=338&CUTHERE=2d6fcf3d41e5a338b1400ef698c3b2ce and a 9F --> http://www.uktrainsim.com/filelib-info.php?form_fileid=242&CUTHERE=2d6fcf3d41e5a338b1400ef698c3b2ceWhich means I'm not too sure about there being 2 American routes; we know about one but last time the two US routes were quite different - please remember that the United States is not the centre of the universe! Besides which it'll only be a short while until you lot produce some nice modern US stuff. If theres only 1 American route, that could mean 1 US, 1 British, 1 German, 1 Swiss and another, rumours of which are probably gonna come from someone who can read and understand oriental languages.
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There was speculation a while back that Maple Leaf Tracks was working on CN's Dundas Sub. We also know that through the efforts of Harold Clitheroe, CP has become more or less a "partner" railroad in MSTS. If Microsoft is contracting out some of the development, as is perhaps seen with the rolling stock, then maybe some route development is being contracted out as well. I would like to see Toronto area with CP, CN, Via/Amtrack, GO. I think one could end up with a very entertaining mix of activities.Chris

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1: ICE Route: My guess is the NBS Rhin-Main, the latest of them (and a real roller-coaster it is...).
2: Horseshoe: No prizes...
3: Bern-Lotshberg-Simplon (or however it's spelt). See the screenshotThe guesses:
-Something UK, maybe historical, like the Great Western Railway.
-Asian route, Chinese steam? or another Japanese commuter route?
-Australian Route?
-Africa?
-The Railroad on the dark side of the moon?

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>1: ICE Route: My guess is the NBS Rhin-Main, the latest of
>them (and a real roller-coaster it is...). Could be...but something tells me it would be more likely that it is a standard mainline upgraded for high-speed traffic - also known as "Schnellfahrstrecke" in German - , because this would allow for a greater variety of traffic, whereas the NBS is used exclusively by ICE 3 units...well, except for the odd track inspection train or towing engines in the case of a breakdown.>2: Horseshoe: No prizes... Can't argue with you there .>3: Bern-Lotshberg-Simplon (or however it's spelt). See the
>screenshot It's "Bern-Lötschberg-Simplon", or, in actual present-day terminology, "BLS Lötschbergbahn AG" . This sounds like a nice scenario, too, though I am not personally familiar with the real route.Look here for more information: http://www.bls.ch/>
>The guesses:
>-Something UK, maybe historical, like the Great Western
>Railway. Not a bad idea, though I believe it's more likely that we get a complement of two North American routes, two European routes, and one from another continent.>-Asian route, Chinese steam? or another Japanese commuter
>route? A Chinese steam line would definitely be cool . However, I'm not su sure about whether they might give us yet another commuter route - I personally believe a Shinkansen line might be more likely.>-Australian Route? ...hopefully either a narrow-gauge or broad-gauge one .>-Africa? That would be a really nice change of pace. Maybe a South African route with lots of steam - especially Garratts? >-The Railroad on the dark side of the moon? WTF?! Did Amtrak expand??!?!? Now that would explain why they're in the gutter finance-wise... *LOL*
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It would be M$ best advantage to play the Asian + Australian scenarios, seeing there is currently no Asian or Australian payware market for MSTS1. This would give M$ the advantage with having alot more Asian and Australian consumers - and of course that means more $$$. (Just what M$ wants).I'm assuming Horseshoe is a combined passenger/freight route, in that case we have:1 Old American Combined Route
1 Modern German Passenger Route
1 Modern Swiss Passenger RouteI'm bargaining on 1 Asian and 1 Australian route (ok maybe wishing not bargaining) - also predicting one of them is freight because we don't seem to have a pure freight route. I would bet the Australian route is Freight.Then again, it would disappoint alot of people if there wasn't an American Freight route....................So all we can do is wait. I don't blame or curse Microsoft for keeping secrets - none of us have been involved in a MSTS pre-release before and I think it's more exciting this way. Certainly their site will be getting alot of hits of people listening eagerly for announcements!Koz

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SHEWW ITS BEEN A LONG TIME SENSE I HAVE POSTED ANYTHING BUT ANYTHING W/ NS WILL DO!!...preferably a mid-atlantic NS route ..lol..I also think doin the CSX Mountain Sub would be pretty cool too..

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it would be nice see a continuation of the NEC to New York from Philly P Robinson

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I think the majority of BLS' traffic is actually freight, so make that (at least) two combined routes

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Okay besides the 40's era Horseshoe Curve and the Gallitzin Tunnels, I'd personally like to see:1. ANYTHING CANADIAN (because despite my residence in the US, I AM CANADIAN jus tlike the beer, but the GTA would be good)2. BNSF/UP Orin Line (Powder River Coal Basin)3. Some shortline thrown in the mix
Of course what I do want the most is Locotrol LSI
BNSF Detector Milepost 666.
No defect
Train Speed 66.6mph
Axle Count: 666
Ambient Temperature 66.6 degrees
outI'm otherwise known as the SatanTrain

Hey everybody it's Dr. Satan
The boogie Man is real and you found him

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