Is This Forum Useful?

I think it's time to close this forum, but I want to hear from the members first.MSTS2 was originally supposed to have been released by now, but it's quite clear that did not happen and there is currently no official word on when, or even if, it will come out. Thus there really is nothing to discuss and all this forum seems to generate is needless arguing. Unless I hear some very good reasons to keep this forum open I plan to close it within the next few days.

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I vote to close it for the time being and then reopen when (AND IF) Microsoft announces a new date for 02.J. H. Sullivan

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I'll second that.

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>I vote to close it for the time being and then reopen when
>(AND IF) Microsoft announces a new date for 02.
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>J. H. Sullivan
Yup... I'd vote for that option meself.Catchya

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Rumor has it that an announcement should be coming shortly. I say we hold off on closing this forum for a little while longer and see what shakes out. Just my two cents.

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I would vote for the lack of usefulness.You can only speculate for so long...-Jeff

Union Pacific is my drug.

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After thinking about it, I believe it will be a good idea as well to close the forum. Reopen the forum once Microsoft comes out with official news concerning MSTS 2.Edward K.

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It's sad that it has come to this, but it's probably the wise thing to do.Koz

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Yes, its time to close this forum; just a whole lot of noise about nothing here.MC

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Agreed... Close it for now...

Sounder Commuter Rail
Everett to Tacoma
Coming Summer 2004

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close it.

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I suggest you close it. This forum has caused too many MSTS2/Trainz 2004 flame wars.

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I'm gonna sound repetative, but I vote to close it.

Bradley Linda
Waco, Texas

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Coming Fall/Winter 2004

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>I suggest you close it. This forum has caused too many
>MSTS2/Trainz 2004 flame wars. But where will the Trainz Trollz go to then??

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>>I suggest you close it. This forum has caused too many
>>MSTS2/Trainz 2004 flame wars.
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>But where will the Trainz Trollz go to then?? Some place warm? LOL!Chuck Schneider

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But where will the Trainz Trollz go to then??Yes. Yes, I see now. You are definitely Chuck's ghost writer.

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Thank you, I take that as a compliment.

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I agree close this forum.Ken

How did I survive before MSTS

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Hi Nels,most of what had to be suggested for MSTS-NEXT has and if MICROSOFT have not got the Message by now, then they never will ! Looks like that so far Members are in favour of it being closed down !O t t o

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Yea close it, every day its starting to look very unlikely that there will be another verison of MSTS.

Sean Summer AKA Poltergeist
"The voices, the voices, I hear them, they're with me, so I follow I follow..." ~Eminem's "Guilty Conscious"

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The arguing in the MSTS2 forum never bothered me. I guess some people really wear their heart on their sleeve. I liked the MSTS2 forum because it kept the MSTS2 discussion out of the other forums. It is similar to the way crime is relegated to certain areas of big cities. People regularly express political and religious views on the train-sim forum that are very offensive to me, but that's life and I'm here for train simulators.

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Also, if this forum is closed but still viewable, new members might actually read through it and find the answer to their questions without having to ask again, and again, and again... Most posts for the last few weeks are really just repititions of what has already been said. If M$ puts out an announcement next week with a release date, then open it back up, but the good disccusions are already worn out because of no new info.Stetson

12-year-old Simulator Adict

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Nel's go ahead and close it. Personaly I think most of the so called flame wars are just good fun but some are easily offended and everything on this one lately has P.O.ed some one it seems.

JEFF

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Agreed. Put it in stasis.

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Okay, I've always idolized Jimmy Steward in "12 Angry Men". I'm going to be a decenting vote.This forum does serve one very useful purpose. It keeps this discussion out of the other forums. If you close this forum, won't that create even more flame wars between people who still want to talk about this and therefore post this stuff in the Microsoft Train Sim forum and those who don't want it there?If people want to talk about it, how are you going to stop them form just talking about it elsewhere? Think about it.

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I will also decend. I say keep it open. Why?So long as MSTS 2 remains to be realised there is always the possibility that something said here could impact on its development.This forum remains the glimmer of hope,the oasis in the desert, the port in the storm that there is life after KUJU. Here we can pray for a perfect TS, one without Send/dont send windows, one with workable AI traffic, and everything else that can exist in simulator Valhalla. Please, don't turn off the life support. Keeps our dreams alive. Hope is not lost.If MSTS 2 is really dead, then we should wait until it is certain. If an MSTS2 framework is already cast in stone, then perhaps what is said here may go on to MSTS 3.I beg of you kind sir....

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Close! Every thread seems to get lock the last few days anyway.

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I actually change my vote to 'OPEN'. I've actually always enjoyed the little arguments, and things aren't so out of hand that people are telling each other to F*#K OFF.Let's not sink to the level of other forums and carry the shame of having to close a section.This forum does have value, even though it may not be apparent.Koz

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I've been thinking about this for the last few hours, and you know, suppose we closed the forum and then M$ comes out with a big MSTS 2 announcement - where will we go? The other forums will most likely then explode with MSTS-2 related comments as we desperately try to converse about the new information.This forum's gotta stay.Koz

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We want information about a MSTSII release now!
..otherwise we close this forum catagory.eat that Microsoft
Greetings Roland
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I vote to keep it open because of the above stated fact. It will keep MSTS2 discussions out of the other forums. And you know how MSTS2 discussions can get. 50% of them end up locked. I'd rather se them here than in the other forums cluttering it up. I say keep it. You never know what tomorrow may bring. I've noticed this while railfanning, I can sit for a couple hours waiting for a train and nothing shows up, and as soon as I leave and get to the house I hear one blowing through town. Im not saying that a release date will be announced soon, but you never know what tomorrow holds.

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LAST EDITED ON Feb-07-04 AT 10:16 AM (EST)

I agree with ssw_96....
If nothing else this forum acts as a "grenade sump" for all the religious wars that seem to break out when ever one of the Trainz Trollz sobers up enough to remember how to turn on their computers...If there is nothing going on then we can just ignore it....
Other wise as SSW says' the next trainz announcement of a new green out house object will have them all over the rest of OUR forums trying to convert us to the one true faith, again!Hey Tony have you guys ever considered porting Trainz to Linux or Mac??????
Based on my sense of the users with pro trainz posts in here and my lurking on several of your boards I get the feeling you are missing a huge marketing opportunity there! The only reason to close it might be if the cost to Nels to keep it open in resources and management attention inverts the Cost Benefits of closing it.....
Chuck Schneider

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Grenade sump? Sobering up enough to remember how to turn on their computers?Wow Chuck, that is some FUNNY stuff. You got people writing your material, or do think up those zingers all by yourself? Oh, wait. I know: your buddy dgauci s your ghost writer.While we are on the subject of wildly funny statements....I will now make it a personal Jihad to disrupt your forum for a while.....How's that ole' personal Jihad coming along...? I know, I know. If nothing else perhaps my post will be one more nail in the coffin of closing this thread.You're welcome.

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LAST EDITED ON Feb-07-04 AT 11:20 AM (EST)

Yo Trainz Jihadist Dude!
I achieved what I wanted to and got the moderators to tighten up on the Trainz Trolling posts so a Jihad was no longer necessary (it's called achieving your goals by other means - something you Trollz would never understand - requires a 2 digit IQ - Oh wait! All of the Trainz Trollz collectively come up to something like an IQ of 11 so I guess I have to back off from that a bit - You personally would need an IQ in the double digits. Now is that more accurate?)....If this forum closes then in the interests of fair play I think we ought to close the Trainz forum as something like 90% of the members of Train-Sim are MSTS not Trainz and to us Trainz is like a 90 year oldz watch-a-ma-call-it, we all know it's there but who gives a big rat's pa-toot!Chuck SchneiderP.S. Dennis Gaucci did I copy your script over correctly? Wouldn't want to disappoint the Trollz would we? ROFLMAO!

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I don't think this forum serves much of a purpose until we actually have MSTS 2 out or at least with a definate unveiling date. cheers,
Ernie

Old switchmen never die, they just pull the pin

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Almost Chuck, but the name is Dennis Gauci, (only one C). Making strategic spelling errors like this is a good idea though, it helps mask that multiple writers were involved. LOL.>>Dennis>P.S. Dennis Gaucci did I copy your script over correctly?
>Wouldn't want to disappoint the Trollz would we? ROFLMAO!
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Hey Dennis my spelling checker keeps trying to make your last name Gucci! Wonder why? Are you related to my wife?Chuck Schneider

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suppose we closed the forum and then M$ comes out with a big MSTS 2 announcementWell gee, that's real simple to deal with: we reopen the forum or start a new one. When the time comes that the really is something to talk about then of course we'll have a forum to handle it. Right now everyone is just spinning their wheels.

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LAST EDITED ON Feb-07-04 AT 04:18 PM (EST)

Nels, suppose we close this forum and all of this foofaraw ( http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=foofaraw ) moves over to the main forum. I guess we could reopen the forum or start a new one for that reason too. But I would like to suggest that it would only be days before that decision was made. I truely don't think closing this forum will stop these topics and conversations. It will only move over to the other forums

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Got my vote in to close it. Better to close the MST2 forum than to speculate what if MS is doing to add this and that. Nobody knows what MS has up their sleeves right now.
Ken

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I'll change my vote too. I think we should close the forum temporarily and monitor what MSTS2 stuff goes on in other forums while this is closed. If MSTS2 gets to be too big of a pain in other forums, reopen this. And depending on MSTS2 technology, MSTS2 may have to have technical forums of its own.

Howdy!

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LAST EDITED ON Feb-07-04 AT 04:30 PM (EST)

Okay, I've always idolized Jimmy Steward in "12 Angry Men". I'm going to be a decenting vote.
Oops, that was Henry Fonda not Jimmy Stewart

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Yes In only in keeping it in front of M$ that there is an Audience.
Also, it was keep me up on what is ( or Isn't) happening.
And I luv the Trainz Trolls!}>

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I think this forum is very useful.First of all, correctly stated earlier, it does keep this sort of banter contained.I find the occasional speculation regarding new technology (64-bit operating systems and processors, not to mention graphics cards) quite interesting and itself worth the price of admission. The market is being made here.Also, eventually one of today's rumors will be tomorrow's reality. Even if MSTS2 never comes out, invariably something else will. Clearly, if Microsoft never releases another MSTS product, someone else (other than Auran) is bound to jump into the picture. Nature, after all, abhors a vacuum. We will first hear about it here.If anything, this forum should be renamed - "Train Simulator Market Developments" or something. At this stage, it seems that we are all waiting for the Second Coming of the Great Prophet Zarquon.

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Shut it down until MSTS 2 comes out. This forums is nothing but a flamewar. The MSTS guys fight with the Trainz Trolls all the time in here. Absolutely pointless to have this forum around right now.

John Means
MASW Founder and President
The MASW site is www.freewebs.com/klwtrainsim

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Keeping it up or closing it....... does not matter to me. The bigger question I have is always curious to me in the Software engineering world.WHERE IS THE INFORMATION AS TO WHY......I am always blown away as to why an ex-employee or spouse or friend or Microsoft does not provide information about WHAT IS GOING ON involving the development of the program.Even if we heard the Macro reasons so competitors don't gobble up ideas..I guess.Why doesn't microsoft update their MSTS website. Why don't they atleast string us along..tease us. I am serious. It blows me away as to how information regarding a frickin Simulator game can be kept so secret.

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Maybe they are not wanting to tout some feature or mode that turns out to cause problems. That way they are more free to try different approaches to solutions. I think it will all fall into place with our patience. As I have said, I have heard good things from folks that are involved in the development, but can't talk. No specifics, but the report is we will be quite pleased with the result. Remember, all we need is a properly working sim engine, the details we can generate much better than MicroSoft.
Bob

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Well then all you can do is close it and see how it will work. im pretty sure it will not go for better but all you can do is try it and see.

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Close it, and open a european forum catagory Greetings Roland
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CLOSE IT. RegardsAXE

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Just who is this Jimmy Steward? What has he got to do with MSTS2 ? Do you think it's true that only twelve men are angry over this MSTS2 situtation ? Just for your info Mr. Fonda was dead before MSTS came out so I don't think he cares. Who am I, where are we?

JEFF

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Try to bring a little class into this joint and this is what you get!!!! Okay, let me explain, Henry Fonda played a juror who was able to persuade 11 other jurors to change their mind and acquit an innocent man. You know, it's one of those classics that only us old farts appreciate. Anyway the connection was that every posting until mine was in favor of closing the forum. I was suggesting that I was going to make an attempt, like the juror played by Fonda .....oh never mind.Folks, believe me, the discussion will not stop just because you close this forum. Look at the emotions that are flying, do you seriously think this will simply go away because you close this forum. I'm telling you, it will simply move to the main forum. You will only regret this if you close it. I throw myself at your mercy, please don't do this, pleeeaaaassssseeee!(Henry Fonda eat your heart out!)

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Oh! Thank you for your detailed explantion off the old movie. However I am still hoping to find out just who this Jimmy Steward person who wasn't even in the old movie with Mr. Fonda and Mr. Cobb is ?

JEFF

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Message retracted (I'm trying not to break a New Year's resolution) http://www.train-sim.com/cgi/dcforum/dcboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=279&forum=DCForumID18&omm=40&viewmode=

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I don't understand why anyone would be angry over the delay?? Disappointment might be a reasonable reaction, but anger seems out of place. I for one at least am very glad the program is getting more meticulous scrutiny. I would much rather have a program that functions the way it should, than a rushed bug ridden attempt to meet a deadline. We will all be happier with the more thoroughly evaluated program, why not have a little patience?
I also don't get the scepticism that seems to be evident here? If MicroSoft were to abandon the project, I think we would be getting a lot more noise from folks in the know, not silence. There would be no need to restrict public comments about a program that was abandoned, the fact that folks are still adhering to their nondisclosure agreements, suggests they are still working on a new program. Also note the absence of many of the TA group in the forums and chats. That could mean they are trying to work on MSTS2 without being tempted to divulge information prematurely?? I do know I have not heard from some other folks that were involved, that the project has been abandoned, and I think I would at least hear that if it were in fact abandoned. Silence in this case is a good thing, I will worry when folks in the know start to get disgruntled, and the noise gets loud, not from their silence.
Bob

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Noooo!E3 is coming up shortly and it was this conference that we were watching with anticipation for MSTS2 last year. I can't believe that almost a year has passed since we were ready to part with another $50 for the MSTS upgrade.I think that we need to keep a forum open to discuss the leads and tips that keep us hopeful that an MSTS2 might be in the works.Bob

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Close it.Suggest adding something like a Work-In-Progress / Wish List fourm. That would be a useful places for request and projects on the burner. This could also attempt to keep the gimme topics in a contained area.--
Matt, Network Specialist
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Close it, Nels. I think it made itself redundant. When v2 is released, most of the chatter will be about that anyway. -Phil

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LAST EDITED ON Feb-08-04 AT 07:09 PM (EST)

I have to agree for closing it for the time being.....I do have an alterior motive though..heheAs a replacement, I would like to see a forum for 3D modelers doing route objects....yes, I know we have the loco building forums...but that IS primarily for locomotive design....there are many folks building 3D route objects that are Not rolling stock such as houses, city buildings, new roads, bridges, industrial structures, signals, engine servicing facilities..you name it!!! Such a forum would be great for people to compare notes on not just the how-to of building route structures, but the prototypical info needed to even start such a project (such as how prototypical industries are logically set up, etc).....and I think such a forum would serve us all better than beating this "dead horse" that is the msts 2 forum.Bill Bzak aka Longhairedwizardhttp://www.lhwfoundries.tk

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LAST EDITED ON Feb-09-04 AT 02:22 PM (EST)

Nels, I have never liked this forum because everything in it is speculation, whatif's, and I want's. I haven't seen anything useful here since the forum opened.On the other hand, it has served as a BS forum and a place for the kids to hang out, fight, argue,....and speculate! If you close it, as others before me have said, these people are still going to continue to speculate, fight, and argue, but they will do it in the other forums where they are really not wanted.So....my vote is keep it open as a playpen for the children!Cal Rasmussen
Beaverton, OR
(My email is in my profile)Columbia Gorge Route (Phase 1-- Uploaded)

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Got a point there, Cal !But then you would have to find a suitable Moderator to keep them and others in check ! Would you like to nominate one ! And don't even think about it ! O t t o

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How about Kevarc?????
VBSEG Chuck Schneider

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I think we should nuke this forum now and start a fresh one when MSTS 2 actually comes out...The reasons: Too many locked topics, and secondly, it's really not going anywhere...Jonathan Nikiforovs.
Milepost 180, CP Belleville Sub.Repainter for Yonder Locomotive Works.

"A crictic is a man who creates nothing and thereby feels qualified to judge the work of creative men. There is logic in this; he is unbiased - he hates all creative people equally." - Lazarus Long

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>How about Kevarc????? I'll second that, time to start the draft.

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I'd vote to keep it open, just to keep the other MSTS forum clean of "What's happening with MSTS2"/"When is MSTS2 being released?"/"I want ******** in MSTS2"/etc postsImho, if the Trainz group is gonna be insistent on bashing MSTS and starting arguments, they'd probably move to the other MSTS forum anyway..... :/

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>E3 is coming up shortly and it was this conference that we
>were watching with anticipation for MSTS2 last year.
>Bob
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Greetings Roland
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Rumor has it that an announcement will be coming shortly. I say we hold off for the time being on closing this forum until we see what shakes out. Just my two cents.Stoker

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I would prefer to keep the playpen open...
"I do what my Rice Krispies tell me to do"

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I agree with keeping it open just to have a place for the speculation and "rumors". Of course, there will never be a MSTS2. Will probably be named something like MSTS200?. We already have MSTS2 because of the work of very creative developers. Any time someone needs an argument for open source creativity, just look at what has been accomplished with MSTS. Who would have ever guessed that it could have been enhanced to what it is today. I'm not too worried about compatibility of MSTSnext. If there is any way possible for MSTS stuff to be converted, this community will do it. I truly enjoy seeing the "wish lists" of other users, so I will keep reading here.

Joe Morris CRR #2
Senior Engineer
Vice President, Equip. & Physics, OVS
Gen. Manager, Canton Railroad

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Hi Nels,If you want to close this forum, that's oke by me.
Reopen the forum again if MS gives official announcements and/or when there is public info about a beta version of MSTS2, what ever comes first.
If MS should add all wanted features, they would be busy for another 2 years or so, so i think they got enough info about wishes.Greets from Dereck
The Netherlands

Greets from Dereck, The Netherlands; You might think i'm a newbie but I've MSTS since june 2001 and made some nice Dutch MSTS-Signals, see website at the left at "Dick's seinen" button!
http://www.msts.nl/

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HmmmmmmmDidn't know this was " open "SHUT ER DOWN Later

Tim Kent

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Useful?NO!
Pete Willard


http://www.trainsimstuff.com

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Dump it.

Bob

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For a forum that is supposed to be semi-dead and out of date (or perhaps ahead of its time!), by looking at all the folks who have replied directly and somewhat indirectly to your question just proves that is still has an audience.For that reason alone, we might as well keep it amd make it a home for folks to pass off their frustrations as a minimum.Of course, that is somewhat easy for us to say, considering we are not the ones stuck with trying to monitor the sanity level here. Martyn T. Griffin
griffinmt@chartermi.net
http://www.geocities.com/tcmrrc/
http://www.midlandrc.org

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