Piccadilly Line v3.2 Released!

Version 3.2 is now availiiblehttp://tombeevers2000.free-hosting.org.uk/Piccv32.exeIncludes :-* File Not Found is gone
* No more Rails in the Roof at Southgate
* Tree at Oakwood gone
* Smooth curves Bound's Green to rear endnal completed (more later)
* Station Entry FX, if you've ever stood at the entry portal of a tube station when a train approaches you know that there's a final "clickATY CLACK" as the train bursts out into the station - this is now included in the route.Enjoy it!--
Tom Beevers
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Is this the low spec one you were talking about making? or just a slight update?

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>Is this the low spec one you were talking about making? or
>just a slight update? Slight update, still need a high spec computer with at least 256MB RAM. The Piccadilly Line takes up 160MB OF RAM!!!!!! So people with 128MB RAM... for them

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Hey, i have 192mb of ram on a really slow computer(for a route like this that is). I got v2 to work, but have been wondering one thing.
Which would load better, BVE2.5.3 or BVE version 2.9?
I don't know which one makes better use of it's memory to get these big routes to load.

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Tom did say in his readme than V2.9 won't work...

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Good you've made a fix, did you actually say a low spec version is coming, or is it a roumour?

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In fact Picc 3 works fine with BVE 2.9, but the train panel doesn't. So you either drive in zoom mode or use an alternative train. Excellent route though, even before the errors were fixed.

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>Version 3.2 is now availiible This must have been a labour of love, for it must have taken hour upon hour of work to create a route of this magnitude.I particularly like the scenery detail which looks very realistic. I noticed things like the vertical railings on the walkways over the station platforms, the fog lights and numerous other details. The stations themselves are nothing short of spectacular, so authentic! Well done!That said I do have a list of suggestions/problems if you do another revision. Please take these as constructive suggestions, because the good points in this route far outweigh the problems.Some of the stop indicators (horizontal markers) are out of position, example at Oakwood, where the red line indicates the stop position, but this is before the native BVE indicator even moves.I thought I saw a signal hanging in mid-air just before the track maintenance workers before Arnos Grove.At several points the announcement are misleading. At Arnos Grove the train is announced as going to Heathrow. Poor tourists There are some long delays in departure after the door closing sound; the first I noticed was at Bounds Green, then several more. The next signal was green, so that was not the problem.The cone.csv and associated .bmp files are missing – I found them in the NeTram objects and copied them to Piccadilly.For some reason the train goes berserk entering a station around Knightsbridge or Hyde Park Corner (sorry did not write the exact station down) It went almost sideways. Then at Ealing Common the same thing happened – train tilted about 45 degrees to track, and the route locked. I reloaded that station, (timetable click) and that fixed it but now the train would not move. I imagine this is a memory problem, but when I ran the 3.0 initial version yesterday, this did not happen. Interesting, huh?Some timetable anomalies - Barons Court is timetabled earlier than the prior station.Is the speed limit after Acton Town really 30mph - I did not see any sign for a higher limit and the BVE warning goes off if you exceed 30mph - all the way to Uxbridge based on yesterday's run.

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>Some timetable anomalies - Barons Court is timetabled
>earlier than the prior station. I think the 1973TS stock has a time machine built in. Can seem to find the button in BVE though!!! To repeat others: excellant route, even if it does only seem to get 13fps in the open!

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Where can I download the route and train from?Edit: sorry, i found the link now.

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>I think the 1973TS stock has a time machine built in. Can
>seem to find the button in BVE though!!!
>
Hmmm, wonder why they did not opt for that in 1995 and 1996 stock, would really help improve service!

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> Then at Ealing Common the same thing happened – train tilted about >45 degrees to track, and the route locked. I reloaded that station, >(timetable click) and that fixed it but now the train would not >move. I imagine this is a memory problem, but when I ran the 3.0 >initial version yesterday, this did not happen. Interesting, huh?Upon further review (to borrow a phrase from American Football), I later reloaded the route and jumped to Acton Town, and I am happy to say that the train tilt going into Ealing Common was "normal" - I now strongly suspect my prior 45 degree tilting roller coaster ride was indeed, a memory problem.The play stands as called ... not enough evidence to reverse.In other words, this looks like my computer doing this, and not the route file.

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>to borrow a phrase from American FootballWhich One

WE WILL MISS YOU, CONCORDE!

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>>to borrow a phrase from American Football
>
>Which One Ok, not knowing if you are at all familiar with what is called football in the US despite the emoticon, I will bite! "Upon further review" are usually the first words out of the referee's mouth after an instant replay challenge. Each team has three chalenges to referee's calls per half. The ref will then go to the sideline, poke his head under a tarp to watch the play on a monitor in slowmo instant replay. Or that is what we are told - he could be watching porno flicks for all we know. Anyway, if there is enough evidence to overturn the call, that is the result. If not, the challenging team is charged a time out. There is more to it than this over-simplification, but since this is so off topic, I am going to spare everyone and add apologies for this diatribe!

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Hehe,Don't worry, over here we just call it a euphemism CiaoSaxon Locomotive Works - "The difficult we do immediately; the impossible takes a little longer"http://www.zodiac-infosystems.co.uk/rail/bve

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>>Version 3.2 is now availiible
>
>This must have been a labour of love, for it must have taken
>hour upon hour of work to create a route of this magnitude.
>
>I particularly like the scenery detail which looks very
>realistic. I noticed things like the vertical railings on
>the walkways over the station platforms, the fog lights and
>numerous other details. The stations themselves are nothing
>short of spectacular, so authentic! Well done!
>
>That said I do have a list of suggestions/problems if you do
>another revision. Please take these as constructive
>suggestions, because the good points in this route far
>outweigh the problems.
>
>Some of the stop indicators (horizontal markers) are out of
>position, example at Oakwood, where the red line indicates
>the stop position, but this is before the native BVE
>indicator even moves.
>
>I thought I saw a signal hanging in mid-air just before the
>track maintenance workers before Arnos Grove.
>
>At several points the announcement are misleading. At Arnos
>Grove the train is announced as going to Heathrow. Poor
>tourists
>
>There are some long delays in departure after the door
>closing sound; the first I noticed was at Bounds Green, then
>several more. The next signal was green, so that was not
>the problem.
>
>The cone.csv and associated .bmp files are missing – I found
>them in the NeTram objects and copied them to Piccadilly.
>
>For some reason the train goes berserk entering a station
>around Knightsbridge or Hyde Park Corner (sorry did not
>write the exact station down) It went almost sideways. Then
>at Ealing Common the same thing happened – train tilted
>about 45 degrees to track, and the route locked. I
>reloaded that station, (timetable click) and that fixed it
>but now the train would not move. I imagine this is a
>memory problem, but when I ran the 3.0 initial version
>yesterday, this did not happen. Interesting, huh?
>
>Some timetable anomalies - Barons Court is timetabled
>earlier than the prior station.
>
>Is the speed limit after Acton Town really 30mph - I did not
>see any sign for a higher limit and the BVE warning goes off
>if you exceed 30mph - all the way to Uxbridge based on
>yesterday's run. There are definetely more errors than that... Such as no train passing sounds, people sunken in platforms, station names reversed, etc... And I think the timetable is not very accurate, some stations I reach there -49 seconds, some I reach 60 seconds later than the supposed arrival time! And as said above at Barons Court, I reached theree 158 seconds! Then when not stopping at the District stations, I made up 2 minutes without exceeding speed limit, so I had to wait at Acrton Town for 2 minutes!

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>There are definetely more errors than that...Yes, I know but I thought the whole list would be a bit much. Actually, I was too lazy. Didn't you beta test the route? I thought I saw your name in the Readme file. Fortunatly the timetable is easy enough to play around with and edit - I bet after Acton Town you ran late for several stops but ended at Uxbridge close to on time (at least I did, 7 seconds early).Some of the other problems ar not so easy to tinker around with and/or I am not clever enough to figure out. I can't figure out what causes the strange delays after the door closing sound before you can actually leave - sometimes it is over a minute.

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>Didn't you beta test the
>route? I thought I saw your name in the Readme file. I only beta tested until V1, but all those errors in V1 were still not yet fixed in V2...

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Attached is a patch which hopefully fixes the problem with Hounslow East, Arnos Grove and Golf.csv problems.Extract to the Piccadilly object directory after you've installed v3 and the v3.2 update.--
Tom Beevers
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>Attached is a patch which hopefully fixes the problem with
>Hounslow East, Arnos Grove and Golf.csv problems.
>Impressive, no sooner does someone say there is a problem with the picc than Tom is releasing a patch to sort it out. Do you spend all day looking at the forums ready for a new task Tom?? BTW, yes it sorted the problem out on mine. Cheers

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>Impressive, no sooner does someone say there is a problem
>with the picc than Tom is releasing a patch to sort it out.
>Do you spend all day looking at the forums ready for a new
>task Tom?? Well, he could have made sure it was bug-free before release in the first place.
Which other route has two patches released in two days after the original release?

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It is unlikely that those errors would have come to my attention had I continued working on the route for two more days.--
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>It is unlikely that those errors would have come to my
>attention had I continued working on the route for two more
>days. However, it's still strange that people find so many errors in a route... I myself have driven my own route many many many times, to be sure there were no errors in it. OK, I understand your route is a three hour trip, but why release a route that isn't finished yet? Don't get me wrong, I respect your work and it must have been a h*ll of a job, but on the other hand: is it really worth releasing a route and after that getting so many emails from people that have found errors in it? This cannot make you feel happy, can it?Well, this is my point of view anyway.Cheers,BassV

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>However, it's still strange that people find so many errors
>in a route... I myself have driven my own route many many
>many times, to be sure there were no errors in it. OK, I
>understand your route is a three hour trip, but why release
>a route that isn't finished yet?
>
>Don't get me wrong, I respect your work and it must have
>been a h*ll of a job, but on the other hand: is it really
>worth releasing a route and after that getting so many
>emails from people that have found errors in it? This cannot
>make you feel happy, can it? I seems to me that it is entirly possible that the errors may not actually occur on Toms machine. Different people do seem to get different errors on some routes. Strange but true!
Also, a couple of errors in a route that size may be very hard to pinpoint and fix. A new pair of eyes may be what the doctor ordered for some errors. I myself have found errors in my route but I cannot for the life of me figure out why they are there.Besides the errors in question do not alter they way the route runs in the majority of cases so I really do not see what the problem is.

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LAST EDITED ON Oct-26-03 AT 01:15 PM (EDT)

Interesting point of view. Perhaps a good way is to download and install the Picc on another PC with BVE newly installed. Sometimes in programming, there are accidents of hardcoding the path of a file without realizing it. (because the file would load on your original PC but not others)

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LAST EDITED ON Oct-26-03 AT 02:13 PM (EDT)

>
>I seems to me that it is entirly possible that the errors
>may not actually occur on Toms machine. Different people do
>seem to get different errors on some routes. Strange but
>true!
>Also, a couple of errors in a route that size may be very
>hard to pinpoint and fix. A new pair of eyes may be what the
>doctor ordered for some errors. I myself have found errors
>in my route but I cannot for the life of me figure out why
>they are there.
>
Agree to a certain extent - if the route was beta tested, I would think some of these errors would have shown up, unless everyone had identical machines which is highly unlikely (assuming they don't appear on Tom's machine.)Errors such as the tree on the track, now fixed via the patch, should have been caught before the release since this is an easy error to correct. Timetable errors can be fixed fairly easily but these still have not been corrected.That is not to say that this is a wonderfull route, full of lots of fantastic detail, but it seems to me that a couple of run throughs before release would have found many of the errors that are present in the release version.

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Today the route loaded (seemed to take forever) and I was able to drive from Cockfosters to Uxbridge. As the previous poster said - this is a wonderful route with fantastic detail. We should congratulate Tom for his patience and dedication to the project.My only outstanding complaint is that the train stops for a few seconds every so often without warning.Its really amazing what this little program from Japan can be made to do! The first bve route I drove was Tom's Picc2. After that I was hooked. Thanks again Tom for a great piece of work!Chris

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The route was beta tested. However I think it likely that most of the testers began at Acton Town since that was the new part. The tree did occur on my machine as did the rails - a result of pasting over Heathrow v3 code into Uxbridge v3 code without proper checking, so my fault. Satisfied now i've admitted it?The timetable was taken from official LU documents (not naming source). The 7 sec up at Uxb, did you take the last 300m or so (from the motorway bridge onwards) at 20mph, slowing to 15mph at the last road bridge, and then 5mph halfway down the platform?--
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>The tree did occur on my machine as did the rails - a result
>of pasting over Heathrow v3 code into Uxbridge v3 code
>without proper checking, so my fault. Satisfied now i've
>admitted it? The comment was not to place blame or to solicit any confessions - just an observation that one or two more run throughs of the whole route may have caught these problems. I understand how excited you were to get the route released, I would be too if I had anything like your talent. But sometimes it is best to step back for a few days, then review one last time to catch things you missed. I know when I do any projects (not BVE) I can catch a ton of errors using this method, because I surely do make a lot of errors. Tom this is a marvellous route, no two ways about it, and please take my suggestion as a constructive one because that was the intent, not to denigrate the route in any way at all.>
>The timetable was taken from official LU documents (not
>naming source). I doubt LU timetables a westbound train to arrive at Barons Court before it is scheduled to arrive at Earls Court, but I could be wrong. The 7 sec up at Uxb, did you take the last
>300m or so (from the motorway bridge onwards) at 20mph,
>slowing to 15mph at the last road bridge, and then 5mph
>halfway down the platform? I did slow to 20mph, but I don't recall seeing the 15 and 5mph limit signs - If they were there I missed them which is probably why I don't drive LU trains for a living and if I did, I wouldn't last very long.

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>I did slow to 20mph, but I don't recall seeing the 15 and
>5mph limit signs - If they were there I missed them which is
>probably why I don't drive LU trains for a living and if I
>did, I wouldn't last very long. No, there aren't those signs.
There are actually more obvious errors than that, like for example, signals floating here and there, signals without covers, 1973 stock without "fronts" etc...
I don't know how all these errors could have gotten past the beta testers. Well, maybe it didn't, but Tom didn't fix it...Oh, and I think you should remove the motor sound from the 1973 stock Outside Run sound. It makes you have the "gear changing" sound when it loops. I do have to say that green stop marker is annoying, it blocks you from seeing the orange line. I think you should make the the line in the cenre wider, so you can see it clearer.

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