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there is now a beta version available for BVE.
go to the most right placed symbol on the main page
then completly below of that page you can download the newest BVE version(BETA) and framework is required

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Link to translated page:http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/urltrurl?tt=url&url=http%3A%2F%2Fmackoy.cool.ne.jp%2Ftrifle%2Fdotnet.html&lp=ja_enOn my machine, I only get a black screen. I can hear that I can drive, but I see nothing. Anybody having more success?

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Make sure you don't tab between applications whilst loading. I loaded up the barebones route - it looks loads better. THANK YOU MACKOY!!!!--
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What's your system configuration, which display setting do you use?

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XP Home SP1, 768mbRAM, P4 2ghz, 1024x768 32 bit.--
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Try Bham X City South in 1024 x 768 x 32. Wow.--
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Anyone tring to get this to work in Win98, and if so have you had any problems with .NET?

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(NB : Above screeny was running at 60FPS!!!!!)--
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Isn't there a small building before alvechurch (ex stations masters house?)

The British BVE Homepage - http://www.bvedepot.co.uk

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you not thinking of Barnt Green?

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Just a couple of comments:
I ran uchibo and was impressed by being able to change the viewing angle,
but I tried running WJ-MK and results where very poor indeed, the cab was distorted, and many of the textures weren't appearing properly. (transparent ones)
Also:
I don't know how to get the main screen (with markers, etc) back on, and do I have to overwrite the string file to english?
is it worth emailing mackoy and telling him what happened? And tom, how did you get the fps meter up?

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>Anyone tring to get this to work in Win98, and if so have
>you had any problems with .NET? I haven't gotten it to work yet with Win98, yes I'm having
problems with BVEDOTNet and BVESetup.msi . I'm wonder how many
other Win98 users are having problems? Christopher Tarana
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it took me a LONG time to get it going. I'm not sure if it's because I was trying to play with this the same time as trying to figure out how to get a worm out of my system.For me that .net was very flaky, had to d/l and run it at least a dozen times, and each time i ran the install I had a different result(the progress kept going forward though each time). Never seen anything like it, but it is do-able.

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If I don't see the program information in the top left or the power settings speed and frame rate in full screen, I can add this to the list of things my video card will not do. It does work in the windowed portion.

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Are we supposed to install the Japanese version of .Net framework?

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Ok, rewind a bit...I have no idea what is going on?! Now I gather this is a beta BVE and what the hell is a .NET framework?! And this BVE seems to have huge differences, what going on here, this is too big a step in BVE for me to comprehend

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Looks great, and my frame rates have generally tripled! The higher res, full screen and new needles are cool...A few questions to ponder1. How do you quit BVE.Net? The only way I can figure is the old control/alt/del, which 50% of the time sends the display to corruption, then you have to reset the computer - not good. Is there a key I haven't found?2. It crashes with a violation error after loading .rw routes. Is this that it doesn't support .rw routes, or that it does - but does not support b3d object files? (which most rw routes seem to use).Stoopid - I installed the English version of Net. After a restart of windows it worked fine.
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=262d25e3-f589-4842-8157-034d1e7cf3a3&DisplayLang=enTo get the English strings, it seems best to open string.ini with notepad. Then open string_en.ini. Copy all the text in the English file to the string.ini file, and save.It doesn't like it if you simply rename the files.Cheers
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I didn't have to reboot my PC after installing .net support.Also, you can quit BVE .net by pressing alt + F4 keys, just as when exiting many windows programs such as IE or WMP.Hope this helps. The program is a GIANT leap for BVE, and a leap in the right direction if you ask me. EDIT: I've been trying to make the border around the images in my sig to go away for a long time but I can't make it work with the forum software. I'd like to have them remain activated with the link but lose the border!! I know how to do this in regular HTML but the forum software ruins that concept. Any ideas? Thanks in advance...Tim Frost
NVTA Subway routes for BVE:

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Cheers Tim,I've just answered my own questions anyway, lol>1. How do you quit BVE.Net? The only way I can figure is the
>old control/alt/del, which 50% of the time sends the display
>to corruption, then you have to reset the computer - not
>good. Is there a key I haven't found? If you right click your mouse you get a whole list of options, including jump station, quit, graphic settings, and totally definable keys >2. It crashes with a violation error after loading .rw
>routes. Is this that it doesn't support .rw routes, or that
>it does - but does not support b3d object files? (which most
>rw routes seem to use). It does support .rw and b3d files. I first tried it with a route without an objects folder, d'oh. Be the equivalent of an Error 9 on BVE 2.5!Cheers
Steve
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The .NET framework is a program library from microsoft. You can imagine it as a giant DLL. BVE uses functions in thie library, so you have to downloat and install the .NET framework. Microsoft says it is very cool, so get it and don't ask

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One thing that may be of interest to some is that I originally tried running BVE.net with (what I assumed) was a NET framework I'd obviously installed before or had come pre-installed on my PC. (FYI I'm running WinXP Pro). At max resolution, I found BVE.net to be very jerky with very low framerates.
After downloading the .NET framework v1.1 from the MS Windows Update site, however, BVE.net ran superbly, with framerates running through going through the roof, so if people have had a decline in framerate or no noticeable increase, you may want to upgrade to NET 1.1.One other thing I noticed was that the quality (resolution) of the Panel actually decreased in some routes, while the route was running.
For example, I was running the 87 on HW-WG, and suddenly, while passing through the tunnel just outside Hammerwich, the quality of the panel decreased so I could no longer read the numbers on the speedometer.

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I tried to use BVE 2.9 Beta but I don't know what's going on because it displayed Japanese words instead of Engish words. I tried BVE 2.5 and it worked fine on my computer. I tried BVE Route Builder 1.1 but I don't know what's going on because the online help was not helpful. I expected to left-click when laying track but the instructions on track laying are confusing. Jeffrey.

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According to RouteBuilder, read the manual. If you have more questions, refer to the RouteBuilder forum at bve-tools.com.This topic here is about BVE 2.9.To make it speak english, rename string.ini to string_jp.ini and then string_en.ini to string.ini, then start BVE.

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Sorry to ask Stoopids question again,but do you use japanese .Net or your own language,in my case english?

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I use the German .NET version, so the English one should also work.

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Hi Gang!!Given the fragile nature of my PC, I think I'll wait until for the release version rather than risk a beta version.Any info on a release date...?Technical Numpty

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There are 2 BVE2.9 for download, the one on the left, when translated, it says recommended, but the one on the right, when translated, it says, "The installer it is." What does that mean?

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>There are 2 BVE2.9 for download, the one on the left, when
>translated, it says recommended, but the one on the right,
>when translated, it says, "The installer it is." What does
>that mean? One is an self installer (left)
The other is a zip (right) they both have the same content.
Cheers
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First things first - .NET Framework is available as a recommended update from M$ (try running Windows Update to access it), I downloaded last night purely so I could run BVE.NET. It is essential in order to make the BVE beta work.IMHO with my impressions of 2.9, we now have a true rival to M$TS, only with better track physics and sound! It is truly impressive in 1024*768 full screen, but sadly I didn't notice any improvements in FPS - probably due to my puny video card.Development-wise, the only differences I can see is textures can now be full 32-bit colour (which is going to save me downsampling a lot of the textures I'm making at present) and much more attention will have to be paid to cab bitmaps, since every little flaw in the cab can now be detected and make it look ugly when running at higher res's/more colours.If this is the future of BVE, then roll on... I expect to be optimising my development towards BVE 3 now I have an indication of what it may hold.

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First I downloded two files: bve2.9003.1360.1358.zip and bve2.9003.1360.1358z.zip. I down't know if those are right files, but I didin't find any better on reccomended page. I unpacked them to a new folder and than I downloaded and istalled Microsoft.NET Framework.
Trying to run bvedotnet.exe, I obtain this error message:when I tried to click "Storno" (Cancel), I saw this message:when I click on "Opakovat" (Retry), I must cancel this program by Ctrl+Alt+Del, when I click "Storno" (Cancel), I'm back on Windows!
I tried both Uchibo routes, Mittelspitze or Hirakami updated with the same results. I tried various display mode settings (640*480 or 800*600, windowed or full screen, 16 and 32 bit). My computer is Compaq with win2000, 1.2 GB, 128 MB RAM.I think this is half-made beta version and how I see too many unsatisfied messages here I think we may return to "old good" BVE and wait for full version.

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I got the same thing whilst trying to run Sandymill Electric on the 'night' routes... I'm inclined to believe that it's an error in processing the route that causes the exception error, but what exactly I am yet to determine.BTW I got Uchibo running fine first-time... but indeed if you aren't keen on working with development versions, or if any newbies are reading... 2.5 is the one for you at the moment.I certainly don't think the beta's half-done... I'd probably say this was 80-90% complete!

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I'm running my home computer, which is very poorly right now, but basically, I did this:
1) Downloaded and installed the .NET framework
2) Installed BVE.NET
3) UNzipped the other folder.
I noticed the english string table inside, but when i put it in the BVE program folder, surprise, surprise, nothing happened. i now have 2 versions of BVE!
Also, I noticed that to get the time, etc, just press F3 as before.
I took the Old 323 and the Old version of XCS for a spin, and generally got improved framerates, however, i still have transparency problems. the needle movement was superb, and zooming in and out didn't result in major loss of framerate. I found to exit the program I right clicked to get the menu to come up. when i pressed F5, it refreshed the route (it crashed my computer, as it couldn't really cope)
I also got loads of errors when it tried to load the VT 86 freeobject.
Hmmm....

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First,THIS IS WHAT I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR!!!!!Second, is there a way to look at the timetable?Third, My framerates stay the same as in 2.5 (15 - 30 fps)How does one get 60 (if I could get 60 I would die a happy manFourth, I tried getting it compatible with BRR 10,but I wasn't succesfull, maybe one of you got lucky?Greetings,Jaap Stegers

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>Third, My framerates stay the same as in 2.5 (15 - 30
>fps)How does one get 60 (if I could get 60 I would die a
>happy man Lower your drawing distance, the simplest way(and only way in BVE) to improve your frame rates.

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The BVE site says the timetable routines hasn't been written yet, So i'm guessing that will be back in the final release(along with Mr. Angryman?).The final version should really be something.

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I see only a black screen after starting a route.
Just after loading all the .csv files I get a very quick view of the route (very small)
but after processing the screen remains black, only sound is working

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Hello Mechanik,I've had the same problem as you, only a black screen but the sound was working. On a German BVE-Forum everybody had the same problem. Martin Fincken has the solution: You have to set your computer in the English standard. Mine was set on the Dutch standard, but after changing this, it worked. Maybe this is the solution for your problem. If you already have it in English, than I don't now how to solve it.In case you don't know how to change these settings: click on start, configuration, configurationscreen, Country-setup(or something like that,in dutch it says: Landeninstellingen, so I don't know in what languige yours is) There you choose English,Great Brittain.All this doesn't affect your personal folders and programsetups, I haven't found anything on my computer that had changed,only BVE 2.9 Beta works!!!! and that is what coundsHope this helps,Greetings,Jaap Stegers

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I noticed that when I run on max resolution, 1024x780 or something, with 32bit color, nothing comes out right. The route runs, but the panel doens't come in right or at all, and some of the objects are messy.I don't know if this is BVE itself or the routes I use, or even my computer, so I'm hoping someone else has this issue so I can figure it out.They run fine on 16bit at the same resolution, and the middle resolution option works fine with 32bit usually.

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It works great, after i changed my pc to englishI have around 50 fpsi have 2,4 Ghz, 256 MB Ram, geforce 4

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I got in running first time on uchibo! an achievement for me anyway!Thank you MackoyJoin the TOC Game
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Congrats to Mr. Mackoy, its like Xmas and Birthday rolled into one!Got it to run superbly 50 FPS all the time (this is my lock on my card). AMD-Xp 2Ghz (Not 2000+), GeForce Ti200 64Mb, 1Gb of DDR Ram, Running XP Pro, SB Live!, My Amp and Meaty Speakers for great sounds and crisp graphics. An ultimate set-up! Panels are a bit blurry and a few niggles, but Mr. M you've done BVE very proud!====================
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Myself and a few others are currently busy playing with the panels now to resolve the pixelation.It appears to solve this we are either going to have to redraw panels in a 512x512 or possibly 1024x1024 resolutions (1024x1024 will mean super detail in 1024x768 mode), 512x512 mode is successful with detailed less pixelated panels working when redrawn and resized. Experiments continue with 1024x1024. If the panel is any other resolution it won't work properly. The only exception to this being with the former BVE panel sizes from the source bitmap. However this brings pixelated results An observation I've made is now that the grey area under the transparency areas on panels no longer exsists, so there is not limit on how high the guage/driver's desk should be. This should also benefit passegner views meaning you no longer need to keep on shifting it up to get rid of the grey areas showing through the windows.

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This is one point, but it's obvious enough that train panels have to be redraw for better results...Another point are sharp curves and grades... this is a 60 mt radius curve on 30 per thousand grade Luigi Cartello
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I'm sure 45m radius wouldn't look any better, especially without curved track objects!

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witch route is this?

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>Hello Mechanik,
>
>I've had the same problem as you, only a black screen but
>the sound was working. On a German BVE-Forum everybody had
>the same problem. Martin Fincken has the solution: You have
>to set your computer in the English standard.
>Hope this helps,
>
>Greetings,
>
>Jaap Stegers Thx, Jaap
I did found the answer a few minutes agoo on that forum but thank you in anyway

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Hi, folks again, the mail problem was in language windows setting. When I changed my windows to english environment, BVE 2.9 runs O.K. I noticed those problems:1) BVE runs only with "normal" panel, not with full-cab
2) I can run BVE maximally with 1024*768 and 16 bit resolution, not with 32.
3) fps is only up to 20, not more (with maximal distance view). Somebody wrote here that he has about 50-60, how he did get it?

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I seem to have a problem while loading routes with trains that have the extended panel. If it has anything going above the standard old style panel (I don't have any other way of describing it...), then everywhere that I would normally look out is blue, as is most of the panel itself. :-\

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Sound like the blue in the panel dithered or is pixelating in some way or another. Does this happen at all resolutions?Tim Frost
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>I seem to have a problem while loading routes with trains
>that have the extended panel. If it has anything going above
>the standard old style panel (I don't have any other way of
>describing it...), then everywhere that I would normally
>look out is blue, as is most of the panel itself. :-\ Does it go something like this...480x440 (Full Height)480x200 (Half Height - Old Style)Do you have a Voodoo card? Because that's what I get with my Voodoo 3 2000 card.None of the transparencies are working, which seems to be caused by the way this new version is handling the cab images. For one thing, it's resizing the full height cabs to 512x512 and the half-height cabs to 512x256! I can guess why it's not handling the full cab view and the windows are blocked "blue", because the old Voodoo can't handle transparencies on images greater than 256x256 pixels (obviously something has changed because they were 480x440 before and they worked), but it doesn't explain the transparency on the smaller gauges not working and why the half-height cabs are working, I know! I guess it's vid-card upgrade time for us! Until then it's half-height cabs and/or full-height in BVE 2.5 for me! Still, it's great to see that the old 200 pixels minimum height restriction is gone - that made a meal out of many a view! And everything else is just great! RobertPS. I'm running Win98SE and I didn't have any problems at all with the installation of MS' .net or BVE, and the application is as stable as you like <1>, so there you go! <1> That's not to say that it will be the same for you though!

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>>I seem to have a problem while loading routes with trains
>>that have the extended panel. If it has anything going above
>>the standard old style panel (I don't have any other way of
>>describing it...), then everywhere that I would normally
>>look out is blue, as is most of the panel itself. :-\
>
>Does it go something like this...
>
>480x440 (Full Height)
>
>
>
>480x200 (Half Height - Old Style)
>
>
>
>Do you have a Voodoo card? Because that's what I get with my
>Voodoo 3 2000 card.
>
>None of the transparencies are working, which seems to be
>caused by the way this new version is handling the cab
>images. For one thing, it's resizing the full height cabs to
>512x512 and the half-height cabs to 512x256! I can guess why
>it's not handling the full cab view and the windows are
>blocked "blue", because the old Voodoo can't handle
>transparencies on images greater than 256x256 pixels
>(obviously something has changed because they were 480x440
>before and they worked), but it doesn't explain the
>transparency on the smaller gauges not working and why the
>half-height cabs are working, I know!
>
>I guess it's vid-card upgrade time for us! Until then it's
>half-height cabs and/or full-height in BVE 2.5 for me!
>
>Still, it's great to see that the old 200 pixels minimum
>height restriction is gone - that made a meal out of many a
>view! And everything else is just great!
>
>Robert
>
>PS. I'm running Win98SE and I didn't have any problems at
>all with the installation of MS' .net or BVE, and the
>application is as stable as you like <1>, so there you go!
>
>
><1> That's not to say that it will be the same for you
>though!
Oh, that reminds me. I'm plugged into the onboard video card...I will switch over to my problematic Geforce 2MX now just for BVE haha. Thanks!

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>I seem to have a problem while loading routes with trains
>that have the extended panel. If it has anything going above
>the standard old style panel (I don't have any other way of
>describing it...), then everywhere that I would normally
>look out is blue, as is most of the panel itself. :-\ I have the same problem.I am running a Xabre card. I do have some problems with transparent colors in BVE sometimes. This cab thing happens in all resoultions.I created a blank cab and it shows the full screen. I will use it to test the transparency theory later when I add some simple dials.The screen shot is from the Hammerwich line. I ran the Hammerwich line with BRR10 and picked the blank cab. I then closed BVE and opened the BRRTEMP file that BRR10 creates and ran this with BVE 2.9.
The screen view shows wrong track running and is taken with the view all the way out so you can see far away and the vertical and horizontal curves can be seen. ( you can also see an example of the transparency problem I sometimes have.
I wish I could upload the FRAPS captured videos I made of this run. Looks just like a video/movie shot by a Rail fan on a trip. Same bad framing and poor zoom control

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LOL! I know what you mean for sure there, Sanford. I'm not exactly sure why we need this feature and it is a bit cumbersome to use for me, with the inset numberpad on my laptop. When I have the numpad on and I try to hit the brakes, I zoom in!! It's not cost me missing the marker yet though... knock wood... Tim Frost
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As John says people are playing with the cabs. I cant help myself!
I have noo school today (great!) so today could be the day where i stumble on a complicated working of making cabs that are 1024x768 sizes, not pixelated.Not sure about the control's yet, but there seems to be just the one Klaxon, pressing CTRL and ENTER or SHIFT and ENTER is the same as when i press BACKSPACE and ENTER, i hope we do have the three horns thing in the final realease!And one more thing: With the loss of the grey panel(- brillient!) you don't see the gradients. I dont really use them, but some routes wouldn't go a miss without it, but then saying that i would get used to it

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>As John says people are playing with the cabs. I cant help
>myself!
>I have noo school today (great!) so today could be the day
>where i stumble on a complicated working of making cabs that
>are 1024x768 sizes, not pixelated. Well, why not wait until the final version? Maybe all panel problems in this beta will be solved in the final version?

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>Not sure about the control's yet, but there seems to be just
>the one Klaxon, pressing CTRL and ENTER or SHIFT and ENTER
>is the same as when i press BACKSPACE and ENTER, i hope we
>do have the three horns thing in the final realease!
>
All three horns are still there, the controls for them are ENTER, Numpad +, and Numpad -

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Thanks for the horns thing.I started, but then it became difficult. What is the Standard Cab size now for BVE.NET? And wouldnt it get complicated when running in the three different modes?

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Ok excuse my ignorance again, and I have just installed every thing. Does BVE.net need its own object/route/train folders? It doesn't seem to have any. Can I just got to the old BVE folder and choose the route from there? I don't seem to get any route to load yet
EDIT!IT WORKS! THIS IS BRILLIANT AND FANTASTIC! ANYONE SUSSED HOW TO DO ANIMATION YET? I can't beleive my eyes, it is such a big step. I can't stop dreaming about the possibilities! 3D cabs, I think I can make the DLR even better with this!

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Yes, you have to copy in the new Bve.net folder the Railway and Train folders being in your old Bve folder.Luigi Cartello
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No I don't, it works whilst remining in my old folders from BVE 2.3! I have been doing this since time began ( so to speak) I run BVE 2.5 the same way, all the trains and objects routes etc. are in the BVE folder (which is home to BVE v2.3)! Its great!

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Anyone know why the HST completely refuses to move using the new BVE. I've tried it on a couple of routes, release the brakes, power up full, and it just sits there.

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I got the beta to run with BRR10. I ran BRR10, clicked on menu, clicked on configure and changed the bve file directory to C:\Program Files\mackoy\BVE .NET . I then went to the diectory C:\Program Files\mackoy\BVE .NET and made a copy of the BVENET exe file and called it BVE. BRR10 now runs the beta.

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So the program exe is called BVENET.exe? All the versions of BRR assume the exe is called BVE.exe, which is probably why it doesn't work. I'll have to make it possible to define the exe name in v10.1.

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>Anyone know why the HST completely refuses to move using the
>new BVE. I've tried it on a couple of routes, release the
>brakes, power up full, and it just sits there. The GP-38 that came with the Desert Freight does that too. It
doesn't seem related to the version, because I have other trains that are BVE1220000 stamped and work just fine. I'd say wait and see what happens when the final version
comes out.

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I hate to point out the possibly blatently obvious but are you sure you have the reverser in forward?Secondly, the GP38 is a single locomotive on the point of a very heavy train, so wheelslip is a big possibility. Try to power up and move with about 10-15 seconds in each run level, if it still doesn't move, err... well... wait for the final version! The HST is a locomotive with a lot of power, are you sure it's not wheelslip here? Try the same as above. Hope this helps... if it doesn't... sorry! Tim Frost
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sooooo,Any words on the animation front?

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Ive gotten the HST to move.Try this:
Wait until the signal to go from the guard has completly finished, then (and only then) realease all brakes and crank the power up to 2 or 3. Ive noticed that if you put the power notch on full, and brakes on notch 1, then try to move off (when the guard has beeped the beeper) then the train wont move.

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>Ive noticed that if you put the
>power notch on full, and brakes on notch 1, then try to move
>off (when the guard has beeped the beeper) then the train
>wont move. Obviously! The brakes are on! Even in the present BVE, it doesn't move!

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sorry, i meant after you realease the brakes

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AMINATION news please, anyone now, me amd routemasterJ wanna know, I would like to know how to do it, so i can use it in my GWML route, does this include moving trains!!!?

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James
Animation isnt listed as a feature of this version
Neither is working ammeters.
So youll just have to wait until the next version im afraid..

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A few days ago I ran Picc v3 - Uxbridge fine. I then downloaded BVE 2.9.It works fine on most my routes. But tried it on the Picc and crashed for no reason. Never mind, it's only a beta version I said to myself.Then I tried to run the Picc in 2.5.3. Usual missing file errors dismissed, hmm seems to be taking a while to load, hey what's this?! The monitor went onto standby, then the PC rebooted itself! Upon logon, the following box appeared.Any ideas anyone?--
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Yes, the reverser is in forward, I didn't go past P3 and it
happens on all routes. I think it's related to the brakes,
maybe they aren't fully released. Christopher Tarana
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I understand the Japanese don't run much in the way of western routes,so are people E-mailing Mr. Mackoy and telling him their problems with the beta so he can consider them.I get the impression he wants the feedback.

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> I understand the Japanese don't run much in the
>way of western routes,so are people E-mailing Mr. Mackoy and
>telling him their problems with the beta so he can consider
>them.I get the impression he wants the feedback. The route works fine with Wulf's F40PH or the GS4. When BVE
starts with the GP-38, the needles (2) start at the bottom of
the gauges and rise slowly as the brakes are released. That's
the opposite of other trains where the pressure starts high
and the needle falls as the brakes are released. So my
guess it's in the brakes and it's limited to the GP-38. I was able to rename BVE.exe to bveexe.old and rename
Bvedotnet.exe to Bve.exe so BRR10 would run right. I'll dive into it tommorrow night. Christopher Tarana
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Chris,That's correct for a straight-air braked train, the rising needle should be the brake pipe pressure coming up Good to hear the F40PH is still behaving WulfSaxon Locomotive Works - "The difficult we do immediately; the impossible takes a little longer"http://www.zodiac-infosystems.co.uk/rail/bve

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>Chris,
>That's correct for a straight-air braked train, the rising
>needle should be the brake pipe pressure coming up
>Good to hear the F40PH is still behaving
>Wulf I know, I really like the F40 myself. The brake pressure isn't
coming down for some reason when the brakes are released on the
geep. For kicks I changed the original entry in the train.cfg
BRAKE section from 0,0,1 to 1,1,160 to match the entry in the
F40PH, but that didn't help either. Tonite I'm going to try
the geep on the rocky mountain route and see if it works. I wonder
if Mackoy changed the brakes again? Christopher Tarana
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AAAAAAGHHHHHHH! the DLR Routes don't load! Can someone else try it out. It seems not to like null object file! It stops at nothing.csv and give back an error!"Application has generated an exception taht could not be handled""Process id=0xfff71d23(-582365), Thread id=0xfff7b553(-543405)"Click OK to terminate Application
Click Cancel to Debug the applicationIf I click cancel to debug it says:"Register JIT debugger is not available. An attempt to launch a JIT debugger with the following command resulted in an error code of 0x2 (2). Please Check Computer settings.""cordbg.exe !a 0xfff71d23"Click Retry to have the process wait while attaching a debugger manually
Click cancel to abort the JIT debug request.What the hell is going on?! Is anyone else getting this on thier PC? My routes run perfectly fine on BVE 2.5.3! HELP!

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>What the hell is going on?!
>
>Is anyone else getting this on thier PC? My routes run
>perfectly fine on BVE 2.5.3!
>
>HELP! Nope, DLR and a few other routes (and any route my development version of the Class 332/333 is running on ) have the same error on my PC . All run fine on 2.5... so I'm scratching my head as well...

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You got to remember that this is a beta and most likely some routes won't work. I'm having the same problem with a japenese route im developing and i think Tom is having the same problem with the Picc. Line. Don't worry about it. Wait untill the final version.
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>geep. For kicks I changed the original entry in the
>train.cfg
>BRAKE section from 0,0,1 to 1,1,160 to match the entry in
>the
>F40PH, but that didn't help either. Tonite I'm going to try
>the geep on the rocky mountain route and see if it works. I
>wonder
>if Mackoy changed the brakes again? You should change the #DELAY part instead.

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Steve Green is taking a look at it himself. I'm curious as to what he finds. I haven't found a door indicator in the new BVE yet, I wonder if that's the problem? (probably on Mackoy's cutting room
floor with the timetable code!) Christopher Tarana
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has anyone figured out why the Sandymill route at Night Wont load?

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I have found that Null Object files must not be empty like before, but needs to have CreateMeshBuilder in it only. BVE.net seems to be more fussy

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I don't get any EB, ATS reset, continous chime sounds.

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I seem to have it working ok and am very impressed,only thing is all the writing on cab screen is in Japanese.I think I remember seeing the answer to my question somewhere in all the replies to this thread but can not find this time of looking.Maybe some kind reader could put me out of me misery and explain how to change the text too English.
Thanks,
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>I seem to have it working ok and am very impressed,only
>thing is all the writing on cab screen is in Japanese.I
>think I remember seeing the answer to my question somewhere
>in all the replies to this thread but can not find this time
>of looking.Maybe some kind reader could put me out of me
>misery and explain how to change the text too English. Copy the content of String-en.ini to String.ini

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I am still getting what I presume are the warning notices coming up in Japanese on screen.Is this normal for this BETA edition? Regards
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When you copied the file or renamed it and ran BVE, did it start to reinstall itself quickly? If so then it reverted back to it's original japanese configuration.You either need:
A) to copy the contents from the english to the japanese version. Which it sounds like you did already
B) Rename string.ini to something else and string_en.ini to string.ini. C) Or copy the text in the strings line by line.
That's the 3 solutions that seems to work for everyone so far.

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>c) copy the text line by lineor just copy the whole of it into the Japansses String and save?

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You can do that if it works but there are reports of isolated problems with that method.Tim Frost
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that's what I meant by option A.Sorry

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Well, all three are options, but some people seem unable to just copy and paste the whole thing, so they could do as you did, and copy it line by line. Just renaming the files worked for me. *shrug* At the moment, I think it is a matter of trying different things and sticking with what works. Tim Frost
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Having just driven Sandymill Electric with the new 314, what an experience. It really felt like I was driving in a real cab. I'm off to go do a LU route with the speakers cranked up.====================
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For those who cannot get 60fps, remember the old trick? Put Windos Media Player in the background... Otherwise it is only 32fps for me...

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Quick update...managed to get english to work by simply renaming files,but found I had to create a new desk top icon as old one was still coming up in Japanese,seems to be working all ok now.......One last question.....How do you check your frame rate now on new BVE2.9? Thanks for the help, Old Arthur

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>How do you
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Eh, where did my signature go?
Oh, here it is, the one you are reading right now? Can't you see it? I know I know, it is probably too bright to see it.
Anyway, I told you not waste time reading my signature! You have just wasted 10 seconds!

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keep pressing F3 then the FPS comes up along with other things like speed (in kph).ran it with my new subwoolfers and DROOOOOL
the whole desk rumbles when the 158 changes gear on full bass!!the zoom is great! playing with zoom on the DLR is fantastic, looks like a DEV!
cheers,
JAMES.

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Beta updated today.
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Jason M

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What key is for the timetable,get nothing with F4?

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He has not put the key in for it yet, but im not sure on the latest version.

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Pity I cant remember what stations to stop at when running Edinburgh-Aberdeen. Old Arthur

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