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(Sorry if this rambles on but ideas triggered other
thogughts and ideas which triggered...)
I was reading on the General Forum that ocassionaly
US Railroads move groups of locos around to other locations
in groups with only a few of the locos actaully in power.Would such a 'Power Pool' move actvity be an idea for am
activitiy on Desert Frieght?The other idea was for Desert Freight to be re-worked to
when it was a 'pioneer' line during America's period of
late 19th Century expansion.. It need'nt be Standard Guage
at this time period there was some extensive 3ft (?) around..Don't forget the brave native americans though and of
course the Cavalry...Of course the Old West gives an oppurtunity to the
canadian route builders as well. Whilst there are
few that would venture out into a snowy trek North,
the railroad has vital supplies to deliver and a brave
engineer is needed to take the train..The Snowbound town scenario could also to some extent
be applied in a more modern setting in terms of driving
a hevay duty snow blower...
The snow blower on a smaller scale is something that might be
an idea for the Scottish Routes produced by Robert Glass and
Don Calrke and others. A senic point is that ocassinly in
snowy weather OHLE is known to 'spark' by itself apparently.Of course if anyone is willing to do Southern Region Winter 1991
when there was a very heavy snowfall in the South East feel free.
It might be intresting to see the result.Another weather related scenario that could be considered
is 'floods'. Both the Treston Park and Invermay lines
have a section that runs fairly close to a river that is
in theory capable of flooding. Of course the 3rd rail on Treston Park complicates matters A possible 'Thunderbird' Scenario to rescue a standard EMU is
a possiblity for the Treston Park collection of routes.From what I hear Anthony Bowden's working on different seasons
for X-City so why should'nt other routes have climatological
or seasonal variations?Of course Sandymill-Invermay in the depths
of thw wosrt of the winter snow would be a real challange for
drivers given the dark, snowy conditions and the very real
possiblity of unexpected events further up the line.
Combine this with pre 60's semaphore, discontinuous AWS
(if existent) and reduced visibility, you are looking at a REAL challange.
'Aye Driver, You'll be neddin something stronger than a fire when
ye reach journeys end,'</SCOTS>
My second idea comes from the intrest Wulf showed when I mentioned
something about Welsh routes and a Welsh translation for the
string.ini file.Converting Loop from Welsht to scottish is one idea.The other idea was somewhat more involved and may take the
form of a collection of routes rtaher than a single one.The idea is to link up several of the 2ft(ish) gauge railways
in North Wales to form a knd of regional Narrow Guage(like parts
of Switzerland) in an area where road usage has an impact.The route twists like anything round Snowdonia but a possible name
comes from the exiting lines incoporated. the name being
the 'Welsh Highland, Bala and Festiniog Joint Railway'For the most part the line is comprised of eisting trackbed
or 2ft Guage projections over old 'Beechinged' standard gauge
linesThe Routing is as follows....The intial contact with the Natinoal Rail network occurs
either in Bleanu Festiniog or Bangor (both on ex LNWR lines)
Bangor is at The Northen end of the line.
From Bangor it is an easy journey along the coast to
Caernafon with the main line continues towards Dinas
and a brnach heads upto the foot of Snowdon in Llanberis(Note The LLanberis Brnahc does not link up with Snowdn Mountain Railway due to a break of guage)The Mainline ut of Carenarfon heads as stated heads for Dinas
before heading Inland climibing into Snowdonia.
Wawnfuar, Salem, Beddgelert, and Croser are served
before the lines reaches Porthmadoc. A short section
of new alignemt was built here to enable through running
to the FFestiniog railway.From Porthmadoc the line is that of the Festinog via Minford
climbing again into the heart of Snowdonia and industrial
landscape of Bleanau Festiniog.From Blaneu the route heads south alongside the Standard Guage line
to the now disused yet still sinsiter Tranfwynd Nuclear plant.
The Standard Guage line carrries little traffic as that plant is
under decomissionig.From Transfywnnd the line follows the old Cmabrian(?) trackbed
into Bala again in the heart of the stunning Scenery of North
Wales.Bala is of course not the end of te Journey as a short walk
takes you to another station and the start of another journey
towards the coast .. But then that line the Bala and Barmouth
is an idea for another time...BTW I'm sure that someoneon here can come up with a more
poetic way of describing the WHF&BRAlex

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Re the SMIM idea...Robert gave me permission to convert the route into a 1960's based scenario a while back, however it's currently in the "queue" of things to do, but near the front .A clapped out J27 ex LNER loco, semaphore signalling, snowy conditions (poor visibility AND poor adhesion), night time, with a heavy load and several speed restrictions...

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>Re the SMIM idea...
>
>Robert gave me permission to convert the route into a 1960's
>based scenario a while back, however it's currently in the
>"queue" of things to do, but near the front .
>
>A clapped out J27 ex LNER loco, semaphore signalling, snowy
>conditions (poor visibility AND poor adhesion), night time,
>with a heavy load and several speed restrictions... Hmm Make it Just post Nationalisation around the late 1940's
or early 1950's and you have the perfect oppurtunity for a scenario where the absolute worst fate could throw at you happens...IIRC One of the winters around that time was particularly nasty
in terms of conditions... Plus you would have the effects of
wartime conditons and austerity on the infrastructure to cope with..Does anyone here have suggestions as to years (not specficly mid 40's)
that were particularly bad in terms of conditons..In terms of SouthermN Region didnt they considerable difficulty following floods in the early 1960's?Alex

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Hi Alex.I like the idea of different weather conditions on routes! Personally though, I don't enjoy night routes because they just don't look realistic unless you play in the dark with the brightness and contrast of your moniter turned right down.You have regularly loads of really good ideas (please don't take this the wrong way or flame me for this) perhaps you might want to consider learning to code for BVE? It's relativly easy to learn and there's plenty of support from all the developers here. That way you can make each route exactly as you want it. It really is a brillient feeling to go belting along on a route that YOU dreamt up and made! Like I say, this isn't intended to flame you and if you really can't be arsed coding then please keep posting your ideas here as inspiration!Jed ps. I've rewritten this 5 times and I'm afraid this is as non confrontational as I get - Wulf please feel free to delete this post if you think it is inappropriate

I've not got an attitude problem - you have a perception problem

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>Like I say, this isn't intended to flame you and if you
>really can't be arsed coding then please keep posting your
>ideas here as inspiration!
>Jed Actually, I look forward to Alex's posts. For the most part the
things he suggests can be done if someone pushes BVE or thier perceptions of it, a little farther. He's actually come up with
some really excellent ideas, and I hope to see some of them
done. Christopher Tarana
Ferroequinologist

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>>Like I say, this isn't intended to flame you and if you
>>really can't be arsed coding then please keep posting your
>>ideas here as inspiration!
>>Jed
>
> Actually, I look forward to Alex's posts. For the most
>part the
>things he suggests can be done if someone pushes BVE or
>thier perceptions of it, a little farther. He's actually
>come up with
>some really excellent ideas, and I hope to see some of them
>done.
>Actually it's because I'm better as an ideeas person than
coder, Bear in mind I am working away on some things.Besides why should all the good ideas be done by an 'elite'
clique of developers?Nobody knew about Joshim until he did the DLR and the preview
route is on a par with some of Steve or Anthony's work.These ideas + the 2MC are intended to help push the gap between BVE
(which runs on lower spec hardware) and MSTS. After all BVE IMO
is a much better simulator than MSTS.BTW I've got plenty of other ideas, More in fact than any one person
could reasonably expect to code. If these concide with things
other authors were considering then I see no reason why I should not
post ideas..Some of the ideas are re-workings or value added to exisitng routes,
some are flights of complet fancy.
And some may have a genuine role outside of just being simulatoions
for a fan crowd. It is entirly possible that BVE is used unofficaly by some in the
Railway Industry itself. From the look of it X-City 2 HDXP is satrting to look like
some of the commerical simulators that run on £5000 SGI hardware
and need a tame 'guru' to program!!There are many planned lines or projects that could be evaluted
thorugh the use of simulations work. Or indeed heartige
preserved.(I hear a Southwold route is planned for MSTS)
AlexAlex

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Looking through my old Model railway books I came across models of a Swiss Narrow Gauge "RhatischeBahn" the A should have a " above it. The line has sharp turns and steep grades ending at St Moritz.It runs narrow gauge electric trains Ge 4/4 Ge 6/6, Some electric rails cars and 2 Steam locos for special occasions.Don't know if anyone could find enough information in english but it sounds like a good project.Don't know if you read my other post but the German loco Hermann has a switchable cab view from Left to Right just in case it of use to you for the welsh narrow gauge.Tom

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I recall hearing about some people from Thames Trains who use it...And TrainDriver admitted to us all he used the Circle Line for his District road training .

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Great ideas 9as always)I am cunning to know, how do you use CIRCLE for DISTRICT training

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>Great ideas 9as always)
>
>I am cunning to know, how do you use CIRCLE for DISTRICT
>training They share lines.

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I mean, they dont share lines on the northern section now do they

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>I mean, they dont share lines on the northern section now do
>they Edgeware road service?

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>It is entirly possible that BVE is used unofficaly by some in the
Railway Industry itself.A number of Thames Trains Drivers,Driving Standards Managers and Control staff use BVE now for off-duty driving. There are no routes made which cover the lines we use.Thames is buying two French simulators for the 166's which are due to be installed shortly for driver training. What that will look like I don't know.However when Paddington was resignalled at Easter as well as the usual paper map of the route a screen was installed showing routes from all platforms down all six lines as far as Old Oak common, about three miles. This built the track and scenery as per BVE, but nobody seems to know who actually made it. It was the first time this idea had been used as far as we knew because it gave a drivers eye view of the new signal locations. It was strange going down the main and approaching the end of the world where the tracks ended and you just shot off into the blue!>Does anyone here have suggestions as to years (not specficly mid 40's)that were particularly bad in terms of conditons1947 'The Big Freeze' and 1962, it started snowing Boxing Day and didn't melt down till March if I remember right. I was delivering papers at 5 pm in the evening, the paper train from Padd regularly arrivng after 3pm, instead of 5 am.Whoops there's me showing my age again!
Bill

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There was a major freeze up on the Southern back in 87, thumpers were brought back to the newly electrified Hastings - Tonbridge line, and what you all know as class 203s, were used as Oxted shuttles. The SR stock on the line at the time, which were CEPs. Now the 87 freeze, would be a good scenario to bring into any route. Lot's of snow and adhession problems, and what's more, an excuse to use diesels on electric routes (and of course diesel routes) Perhaps this is an opertunity to get out those big diesels from Wulfs site!

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