Ideas (30025013)

Idea 1. Heard on another forum that TPO(Travelling Post Offices)
are to be withdrawn by January 2004 (in the uk at least).Anyone planning to do the night mail in BVE?
(Accepted that Hammerwich has a 'mail-run' already
thanks to me suggestions to Steve.)Wouldn't it be nice to have a charcter run of
WCML around the early 1960's in a sutiable loco?(Of course there may be some suprises en-route
like the police cars at a certian bridge!)Many of the other fictional and non-fictional routes
could have mail runs...Hmm Anyone fancy the 'Highland Sunrise'.. Sandymill->Invermay
calling at approprate intermediate stations..I'm sure that Wulf could oblige us with a sutiably tweaked
set of train datas for a TPO service..<1> Anthony, Any chance of seeing a GTR era version of the WCML?
Idea 2.UK Preserved Lines.So far we've only got 3.So I'm quite prepared to have a relaxation of the 2MC
(2 mile component) if anyone wants to enter a well thoguht
out reproduction of a heartige line.I'm saying 3 because the S&D route is in fact a potryal of a
section in the past not a current 'heratige' line but then in BVE
there's nothing to say a heartige line has to be genuine one(provided)
it's based on a section of 'real' railway that was once open.Of course if anyone has a 'fictional' heartige line they'd like to
propose.. :-D
Idea 3.Narrow Gauge.So far it's been Itallian, but wjhy shouldn't ther be Welsh
Narrow Gauge for BVE (including Ivor)..Which leads to me to make a suggestion for Imaginix..
Would it be possible to have Ivor as loco on a park Railroad?
Idea 4 Wuppertal Monorail or the proposed system in Hull?Alex

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RE: Ideas (30025013), TomBeevers2000, May-31-03, 02:08 PM, (1) RE: Ideas (30025013), alex_farlie, May-31-03, 03:50 PM, (2) RE: Ideas (30025013), NathanWhitington, May-31-03, 04:29 PM, (3) RE: Ideas (30025013), alex_farlie, May-31-03, 05:03 PM, (4) RE: Ideas (30025013), Bill_Veloz, May-31-03, 06:44 PM, (5) RE: Ideas (30025013), IRT_BMT_IND, May-31-03, 08:05 PM, (6) RE: Ideas (30025013), alex_farlie, May-31-03, 08:29 PM, (7) RE: Ideas (30025013), Bill_Veloz, Jun-01-03, 05:04 AM, (8) RE: Ideas (30025013), NathanWhitington, Jun-01-03, 06:01 AM, (9) RE: Ideas (30025013), Largslad, Jun-02-03, 03:41 PM, (10) RE: Ideas (30025013), Wulf_9, Jun-03-03, 04:00 AM, (11) RE: Ideas (30025013), alex_farlie, Jun-03-03, 11:37 AM, (12) RE: Ideas (30025013), TomBoyRacer, Jun-03-03, 11:55 AM, (13)

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Re the heritage does 60's BL qualify?Remember the police cars on the picc (origionally built for the "trainsimmers against T+V").. they could be used.--
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>Re the heritage does 60's BL qualify?
>Not sure if it's in an period potrayal..
(If it's less than 2 miles then it's not a problem
just enter it under Historical.)I'm of the opnion that if it's indeed a good potrayal
of the period and area concerned then I'll let it go in,
but that of course depends on other peoples opnions as well.
>Remember the police cars on the picc (origionally built for
>the "trainsimmers against T+V").. they could be used.
>
In the modern version yes...
Maybe not sure for 1963 though (which would have to be a
Deltic wouldn't it?)Alex

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>Maybe not sure for 1963
>though (which would have to be a
>Deltic wouldn't it?)Surely on the WCML it would be a class 40?

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>>Maybe not sure for 1963
>>though (which would have to be a
>>Deltic wouldn't it?)
>
>Surely on the WCML it would be a class 40?
What would have been used for the London-Glasgow mail
train in 1963? (as you say a Class 40 is one possibility)Erm Anthony any plans?
Alex

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Yes they were Class 40's on the Post Office in the 1960's. Duchesses in steam days as they were heavy trains run on express passenger schedules.Police cars didn't appear on overbridges until after the great Train Robbery, before that they were not given special attention by civil Police forces. Ref the Class 26's issued last week they were also used on Cambridge Buffet Expresses from Kings Cross to Cambridge in the early 1960's, before they went to Scotland, so I suppose they could be used on the Hammerwich route as well.Wow, am I starting to show my age!Bill

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There are still RPO's in britian? The US got rid og thiers i nthe 70's. I remeber hearing about the Great Train Robbery on CourtTV show at like 3AM. I can see why there would be police cars at overpasses

That squirrel may look cute, but he is our only protection against routes ripped off from other authors. He will destroy all of these routes authors. HAHAHAHAHAHA

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>There are still RPO's in britian? The US got rid og thiers
>i nthe 70's. I remeber hearing about the Great Train
>Robbery on CourtTV show at like 3AM. I can see why there
>would be police cars at overpasses
Concernin RPO/TPO's
Well Until January Yes..Apparently air and road are now sadly seen as more competitive.
In the US this something I can understand given the distances
but not in the UK For the benefit of the US readers could someone from the
UK please explain what is meant by the Great Train Robbery(I refer of course to the one thatwa sto leatr feature in
the film 'Buster')

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>For the benefit of the US readers could someone from the
UK please explain what is meant by the Great Train RobberyHere's a brief rundown about the Great train Robbery which took place in Southern England in 1963. It must be well documented elsewhere so this is it as I remember it.In the 1960's the most economical way of moving bulk letters was by rail ,and a number of 'travelling post offices' were run centering on London. On board these trains men 'sorted' the letters so that they could be rerouted out of London to ensure a more prompt service. Some are still running now, but seem to be on the verge of closure.These were all long distance trains of 400 miles or over, running at express train speeds. The one involved with the Great Train Robbery was the 'West Coast Postal' running, I think, from Glasgow to London.In addition these trains also carried bullion, and although many knew about the post office side very few knew the trains were used to transfer money about the country. (It is not done that way now!).The robbery was very daring at the time, and smacked of the wild west which is how the newspapers got onto the Great Train Robbery theme.
The 'Postal' was stopped at signals at a remote location near Cheddington, a small village about 40 miles from London. This was done by rewiring a signal from green to red so that it did not show up in the signal box covering that section of line. The Driver of the train, Jack Mills, was attacked so viciously that he was never allowed to drive again. The train was divided into two pieces and the section with the bullion was driven to a nearby bridge where the money was thrown out and down into nearby lorries.This indicates that they had inside help, not only to alter the signals, but to drive the train. The robbers then made a clean getaway.Security at that time must have been quite slack as the train was stood for quite some time before anybody actually discovered what had happenned. The train was never subject to special Police attention by civil Police forces, although the railway police must have had some input. After this incident some special arrangements were made, but more in the line of communications rather than lining the trackside when it was due. (a terrible waste of manpower), so the idea of Police cars on overbridges with the blue light flashing its a nice idea but inaccurate. In fact in those days there were'nt many cars! Most patrolling was done on pedal bikes, and it was possible to have to cycle up to 30 miles a shift if you had a Sergeant who didn't like you, and you had to make a 'point' at a telephone box. No radios in 1963 for patrolling 'bobbies', they were only fitted in the cars.The amount involved was in excess of two milion pound (about $3.5 million US). That is not a huge lot nowadays but at that time I was working as a clerk on the railways for five pounds a week ($7.5 US).The robbers were eventually caught and sentenced to jail for 20 - 30 years, reflecting the size of their crime. The 'Mister Big' who must have organised this crime was never caught, as those who went to jail were a mixed bunch of smaller criminals. 'Buster' Edwards served his time and a film was made about him. The other, more celebrated one, was Ronnie Biggs, who escaped from jail and then turned up in Brazil and lived off his 'celebrity' status for more than 25 yrs before giving himself up and returning to England. Old, and ill, he seemed quite surprised that he was returned to prison to carry on his sentence - which is where he is still.I worked on the railways from 1962 - 66, and then became a Police Officer and was stationed near Cheddington, where I worked with many officers who had investigated the Great Train Robbery. I retired in 1991 and now work as a Fleet Controller with Thames Trains, in the South of England. Hope that helps.BillBill

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When I've been up to Welwyn or Hadley Wood (on the ECML) with Mr Pope in the past, we've both noticed a lot of post trains, most of which are made of 12 car 325s. So perhaps a Post train scenario from Finsbury Park to Welwyn in the underconstruction WAGN route?

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Damn! Damn! DAMN! (Sorry, Wulf).And it's probably off-topic, but I'll try.The locomotive involved in the Great Train Robbery was a Class 40 and was, I think, repeat, think, D326. The same locomotive was, by the bizarre coincidences that happen on (or plague) our railways, involved an another accident and because I don't have my references to hand I can't say where or when. It was, however, regarded as a 'jinxed' locomotive.I had the idea that Jack Mills actually returned to driving, as a shunter only and only for a short time, but will bow to Bill's more on-the-spot knowledge. What really gripes me is how the thieves have since been idolised while Jack, the train driver, dutifully doing his job and stopping at a red signal, suffered horrendous injuries that led to a forced retirement and an early end to his life several years ago. And he has subsequently been totally ignored.My opinion of Biggs is, well, outside the scope of this forum. By a very long way.On the positive side, a mail train run is a thought - the driver has to run at the right speed when exchanging mailbags but at what penalty if not?Please excuse the emotion but, ....

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No problem,I concur absolutely with your sentiments, the least they could do is name a loco after him.It may interest you to know that I have D345 in the works, eventually it will become the 'Night Mail' train so, someone (anyone?) with ideas for this route, the traction is being prepared CiaoSaxon Locomotive Works - "The difficult we do immediately; the impossible takes a little longer"http://www.zodiac-infosystems.co.uk/rail/bve

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>No problem,
>
>I concur absolutely with your sentiments, the least they
>could do is name a loco after him.
>Same here suprisingly. >It may interest you to know that I have D345 in the works,
>eventually it will become the 'Night Mail' train so, someone
>(anyone?) with ideas for this route, the traction is being
>prepared
>What's D345's current name?
(Nothing to stop it being 'D345 J. Mills' as far as I can see.)Alex

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I think he finished up handing out overalls at his depot. a sad way.

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