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ChristopherTMember since Apr-8-03 · 131 posts


Here's one for Alex! Other than the obvious fact that we can't
control switch points from BVE, is there any other way to simulate
switching and yard work with BVE? There are some excellent shunter
engines (switchers) available but no real way to use them properly. What changes might Mackoy have to add to BVE to make shunting a
possibility? How would this impact BVE's footprint(size of installed files?) Christopher

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RE: Shunting activities in BVE?, etjason, May-30-03, 11:15 AM, (1) RE: Shunting activities in BVE?, ChristopherT, May-30-03, 11:50 AM, (2) RE: Shunting activities in BVE?, Routemaster J, May-30-03, 01:58 PM, (3) RE: Shunting activities in BVE?, ChristopherT, May-30-03, 03:13 PM, (4) RE: Shunting activities in BVE?, TomBeevers2000, May-30-03, 03:33 PM, (5) RE: Shunting activities in BVE?, Wulf_9, May-30-03, 03:54 PM, (6) RE: Shunting activities in BVE?, ChristopherT, May-30-03, 04:01 PM, (8) RE: Shunting activities in BVE?, Stooopid_person, May-31-03, 05:56 AM, (12) RE: Shunting activities in BVE?, ChristopherT, May-30-03, 03:58 PM, (7) RE: Shunting activities in BVE?, TomBoyRacer, May-30-03, 06:39 PM, (9) RE: Shunting activities in BVE?, Wulf_9, May-30-03, 06:46 PM, (10) RE: Shunting activities in BVE?, ChristopherT, May-30-03, 07:22 PM, (11) RE: Shunting activities in BVE?, Routemaster J, May-31-03, 06:18 AM, (13) RE: Shunting activities in BVE?, Stooopid_person, May-31-03, 07:06 AM, (14) RE: Shunting activities in BVE?, kayedj, May-31-03, 04:43 PM, (15) RE: Shunting activities in BVE?, ChristopherT, May-31-03, 06:17 PM, (16) RE: Shunting activities in BVE?, kayedj, Jun-01-03, 01:16 PM, (17) RE: Shunting activities in BVE?, ChristopherT, Jun-01-03, 04:28 PM, (18)

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etjasonMember since Apr-12-03 · 65 posts

RE: Shunting activities in BVE?

I don't think so.
The main problem is not the switches but BVE won't let you go in reverse very far. Something you will need in move anything around a yard.Since BVE models the JR passenger railway system That was not any thought to simulate things other than passenger service.
At least thats my take sorry.Jason

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ChristopherTMember since Apr-8-03 · 131 posts

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LAST EDITED ON May-30-03 AT 11:51 AM (EDT)

>I don't think so.
>The main problem is not the switches but BVE won't let you
>go in reverse very far. Something you will need in move
>anything around a yard.
Hmm, I've seen the warnings about reversing the train, but that's
usually sliding back off a station. That's a good point then if
it's true. I do know of cases where I couldn't get up a hill and had
to back all the way down to the previous station, so maybe there's
a limit to where on the route you can safely reverse.
>
>Since BVE models the JR passenger railway system That was
>not any thought to simulate things other than passenger
>service. At least thats my take sorry.
>Jason

No, that's a valid point too. Obviously when he started BVE Mackoy worked within the frame of reference that he had. BVE is excellent
at simulating point to point service. Christopher

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Routemaster JMember since Apr-14-03 · 125 posts

RE: Shunting activities in BVE?

You can reverse up until the last station you stopped at. I did this on Bham X city, Redditch to Bham New St. non-stop, then reversed all the way! Make sure you don not let the doors open, once that happens, you can only reverse up to the end (well beggining if forwards) of that station!

Joshim,
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ChristopherTMember since Apr-8-03 · 131 posts

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>You can reverse up until the last station you stopped at. I
>did this on Bham X city, Redditch to Bham New St. non-stop,
>then reversed all the way! Make sure you don not let the
>doors open, once that happens, you can only reverse up to
>the end (well beggining if forwards) of that station! I whipped up a quick route in RB and that's pretty much what
I found out. As soon as you pass a station you can't back down
past it no matter how fast you are going. As long as you stay between stations you can go forward or reverse without any
limits. Christopher

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Wulf_9Member since Apr-7-03 · 313 posts

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LAST EDITED ON May-30-03 AT 03:55 PM (EDT)

Tom,The trigger, AFAIK, is the little yellow position bar, if that moves, Bve unloads all the stuff more than x metres behind. Assuming you stop before this, then you can reverse back as far as the last station, it makes no odds whether you are required to stop at it, the bar will move just the same.CiaoSaxon Locomotive Works - "The difficult we do immediately; the impossible takes a little longer"http://www.zodiac-infosystems.co.uk/rail/bve

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ChristopherTMember since Apr-8-03 · 131 posts

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>Tom,
>
>The trigger, AFAIK, is the little yellow position bar, if
>that moves, Bve unloads all the stuff more than x metres
>behind. Thanks for the clarification, Wulf. Christopher

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Stooopid_personCharter Member · 2370 posts

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>The trigger, AFAIK, is the little yellow position bar, if
>that moves, Bve unloads all the stuff more than x metres
>behind.No, no. BVE always unload 25m behind. That's why you can get the special signals effect in the DLR and U-Bahn. Once you reverse the train to a multiple of 25, it reloads 25m behind again. But the forward unloads as well when you travel backwards.

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ChristopherTMember since Apr-8-03 · 131 posts

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>So can you reverse up to the last station you stopped at, or
>only the last one you passed? Never quite found this out. Last one I passed. I have 3 stations on the test route, A, B and
C. On the first run I ran A to C non-stop and stopped at C to
find out if BVE would let me back down the route. It wouldn't let
me move at all. The next time I ran from A to 7/8's of the way to
C non-stop, stopping outside the station. Then I was able to back up
as fast as I wanted, but the train stopped itself at station B. (With
the full throttle sounds still playing too!) I imagine adding button
to BVE to move a set of points left or right would be fairly
easy. The hard part would seem to be getting BVE to recognize more
than one primary route. Christopher

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TomBoyRacerMember since Apr-19-03 · 45 posts

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have you tried running trackviewer backwards? The raster is only displayed 25m in the rear from wherever you are.

Easternsim: Routes for BVE

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ChristopherTMember since Apr-8-03 · 131 posts

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>have you tried running trackviewer backwards? The raster is
>only displayed 25m in the rear from wherever you are. I only have trackviewer installed so far as Uwe said it was
required to have it for Routebuilder. I use BVE itself for all my
route testing. It's quicker that way because I see how BVE will
react immediately. I think it worked excellent considering its
limitations.

Christopher

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Routemaster JMember since Apr-14-03 · 125 posts

RE: Shunting activities in BVE?

Look its simple, as long as YOU DONT LET THE DOORS OPEN you can reverse! That means you can go from A to C and then as soon as you get to C stop postion, make sure you don not let the train stay in the stop postion , go past it and then reverse, then you can go all the way back to A.What Phil (well stooopid) said is right, it unloads every 25m behind you, but when travelling backwards it reloads every 25m behind you!

Joshim,
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Stooopid_personCharter Member · 2370 posts

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>Look its simple, as long as YOU DONT LET THE DOORS OPEN you
>can reverse! That means you can go from A to C and then as
>soon as you get to C stop postion, make sure you don not let
>the train stay in the stop postion , go past it and then
>reverse, then you can go all the way back to A. No, until right after B only.

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ChristopherTMember since Apr-8-03 · 131 posts

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>on the barrow-carlisle, i reversed and it stopped between
>stations! That's interesting, did you cross any switches? My test route
doesn't have any switches, maybe that's a factor too. Christopher

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ChristopherTMember since Apr-8-03 · 131 posts

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>>did you cross any switches?
>
>No. It stopped about 25m before a signal though. Ahh So! The current version of Routebuilder doesn't support
signals or block operations. Maybe that's part of it too? So,
maybe I can design two test yards? One that overlaps a signal and
one that is completely within a block. (RB doesn't support signals,
but you can edit them into the .RBD file and it will export them
correctly.) Christopher

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