Information on Heavy Coal route

Hi to allWhile searching in bve-routes.com, I accidentally discovered the Haevy Coal route of Mr Bruce Kennewell. The link provided, lead to http://www.crotrainz.com/DownHvc.html but as we already know downloads are now suspended. Could someone please give me a clue where I could download the route?Thank youSmile2evan

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RE: Information on Heavy Coal route, ChristopherT, Apr-24-03, 12:07 PM, (1) RE: Information on Heavy Coal route, Thefrog3, Apr-24-03, 01:18 PM, (2) RE: Information on Heavy Coal route, smile2evan, Apr-24-03, 01:58 PM, (3) RE: Information on Heavy Coal route, Thefrog3, Apr-24-03, 02:29 PM, (4) RE: Information on Heavy Coal route, Wulf_9, Apr-24-03, 03:48 PM, (5) RE: Information on Heavy Coal route, Thefrog3, Apr-24-03, 05:58 PM, (6) RE: Information on Heavy Coal route, Skeeter_Jack, Apr-24-03, 06:20 PM, (7) RE: Information on Heavy Coal route, Wulf_9, Apr-25-03, 01:49 AM, (8) RE: Information on Heavy Coal route, smile2evan, Apr-25-03, 05:55 AM, (9) RE: Information on Heavy Coal route, Barney, Apr-25-03, 11:09 AM, (10) RE: Information on Heavy Coal route, smace, Apr-25-03, 11:38 AM, (11) RE: Information on Heavy Coal route, Thefrog3, Apr-25-03, 01:28 PM, (12) RE: Information on Heavy Coal route, smile2evan, Apr-25-03, 01:38 PM, (13) RE: Information on Heavy Coal route, Thefrog3, Apr-25-03, 02:29 PM, (14) RE: Information on Heavy Coal route, smile2evan, Apr-25-03, 03:19 PM, (15) RE: Information on Heavy Coal route, Wulf_9, Apr-26-03, 03:28 AM, (16) RE: Information on Heavy Coal route, smile2evan, Apr-26-03, 05:18 AM, (17) RE: Information on Heavy Coal route, Thefrog3, Apr-26-03, 06:17 AM, (18) RE: Information on Heavy Coal route, Wulf_9, Apr-26-03, 07:34 AM, (19) RE: Information on Heavy Coal route, Stooopid_person, Apr-26-03, 07:44 AM, (20) RE: Information on Heavy Coal route, Thefrog3, Apr-26-03, 08:15 AM, (21) RE: Information on Heavy Coal route, smile2evan, Apr-26-03, 08:47 AM, (22) RE: Information on Heavy Coal route, Wulf_9, Apr-26-03, 09:09 AM, (23) RE: Information on Heavy Coal route, smile2evan, Apr-26-03, 10:08 AM, (24) RE: Information on Heavy Coal route, Wulf_9, Apr-26-03, 10:20 AM, (25)

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That's one of the multitude of files I've been waiting for when
Barney finally reopens Crotrainz. I image when he does reopen
the site it will be worth the wait. Christopher

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I have heavy coal
this route have some trouble to survive on new versions of bve ,
load have no-fatals errors.
In 2.5.3 it posible again to climb(without modify the grip loco)
the heavy ramps with heavy load(coal).
The route is half climb and half descent (more fun)
but there no info about the author.
don't know if posting without knowledge of the autor is permited

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I wanted to e-mail the author but I can't spot his address. Anyway, since the route is not hosted anywhere, I don't think it is against the rules to be sent by e-mail.Smile2evan

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if author can't be found and if this tread don't get
attention I will ask to crotrainz if email route it's permited.
So be patient.

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The fella who made Heavy Coal is Bruce Kennewell, search google for AustRail and his name should pop up CiaoSaxon Locomotive Works - "The difficult we do immediately; the impossible takes a little longer"http://www.zodiac-infosystems.co.uk/rail/bve

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LAST EDITED ON Apr-24-03 AT 05:59 PM (EDT)

uuups! (search google)
thank you Wulf_9 email send.

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I think Crotrainz only had the Heavy Coal route designed for BVE version 1, anyway. This might be the reason for the error messages. A later version of the route for BVE2 is available for download from the files area of the Yahoo BVE group.

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LAST EDITED ON Apr-25-03 AT 01:50 AM (EDT)

I have both versions, along with a tweaked MV46 3000-ton triple-header... if permissions can be obtained I will make it available CiaoSaxon Locomotive Works - "The difficult we do immediately; the impossible takes a little longer"http://www.zodiac-infosystems.co.uk/rail/bve

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First of all thank you for your information. The file in Yahoo BVE group, does not contain the objects...!!! , so I think that it would be better if someone with a high reputation like Wulf, hosted the route (not to mention the triple header loco). Anything I could do to help getting the relevant permission from the author, please let me know.Smile2evan

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I may reopen CroTrainz downloads but for selected files and limited time only. Watch this (and CroTrainz forum) for further news.

Barney
www.CroTrainz.com

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>I may reopen CroTrainz downloads but for selected files and
>limited time only. If you do, will there be a way to request specific routes or trains ?

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well the heavy coal route is no lost to public after all.
perhap it get hosting in somes new and old places.
this is the better way to get this route .
So the choice is yours .my heavy coal is surely the old version.
anyway ,I get this email from the original author.From: "Bruce Kennewell"
To: "dakar4"
Subject: Re: permission status of heavy coal route ?
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 09:51:41 +1000Yes, you certainly have my permission to do that.Regards,
Bruce.
----- Original Message -----
From: "dakar4"
To: "Bruce Kennewell"
Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 8:53 AM
Subject: permission status of heavy coal route ?
> Hello,
> I'm a user of bve
> and I get a bve route of yours "heavy coal" from crotrainz
> but crotrainz have temporaly closed download section
> in forum somebody ask for your route.
> what is the permission status of "heavy coal"?
> Can I email to him your route?
>
>
>
> Best regards.
>
> dakar4

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So, since the permission is given by rhe author, Wulf would you please host the route as you proposed (even for a limited time)??? I am very tempted with the modified loco as well (I am sure it will be a little gem as always ).Smile2evan

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LAST EDITED ON Apr-25-03 AT 02:49 PM (EDT)

you must know that the route is scheduled
for 1hour and 15 minutes.
and in original version in 2.5.3 bve
the ascend is mostly slow because of heavy load
some sections never go up 40 km/h with full throttle
and praying there will not wheel slide.(motor sound do some snap?)
the ascend section is a full throttle when possible
and watch the train slllloooowwwwlllllyyyy get momentum.
also the middle schedule is wrong now 00.00 so
up and red goes the bottom bar and angry the smiley.
The downside is more fun dealing with air brake
with 22% down gradient.. very personal opinion:
for air brakes ,even if is not real, I will recommend
to change the sound of "Brake.wav" of "Nswgr_46" train
very short by other "enoden 300" more long or better
of the nosy japan loco "dd51_kame" .(this is to get more feedback)
also it 's surely possible to create a white noise(ssshhh)
with 5 or 6 sec long with in and out fade,using a sound generator.

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>you must know that the route is scheduled
>for 1hour and 15 minutes.
>and in original version in 2.5.3 bve
>the ascend is mostly slow because of heavy load
>some sections never go up 40 km/h with full throttle
>and praying there will not wheel slide.(motor sound do some
>snap?)
>the ascend section is a full throttle when possible
>and watch the train slllloooowwwwlllllyyyy get momentum.
>also the middle schedule is wrong now 00.00 so
> up and red goes the bottom bar and angry the smiley.
>The downside is more fun dealing with air brake
>with 22% down gradient. Well, that's supposed to be the fun of the route isn't it?
I will try it also with the "dd_51kame" diesel loco. I think it will be fun. But I still do not have the route!!!! Could you please sent to me? You have PM !!!Smile2evan

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I think if you re-read Bruce's reply as quoted by Frog3, you will notice he is only giving permission for the files to be EMAILED to one user. That is most certainly not permission to upload it for public consumption. Ask him again, if SLW can host the route and the modified MV46 train, if he says 'yes' then please reproduce that reply here so I can see it done.CiaoSaxon Locomotive Works - "The difficult we do immediately; the impossible takes a little longer"http://www.zodiac-infosystems.co.uk/rail/bve

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Well said WulfSorry, I did not pay full attention to the Bruce's reply, although I am particularly sensitive with permission and copyright matters... I will make all necessary arrangements and let you know.Smile2evan

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LAST EDITED ON Apr-26-03 AT 06:21 AM (EDT)

Wulf_9 is right ,
also make a point at
the email quoted have got references and emails address removed ,
but I can privately send the full email to really concern peopleClarify that this route is a little tedious (for me at least)when ascending(~45m),
is like walk up a path 15 minutes with your skate board
for a 2 minutes of pleasant down ride.

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LOL That's the challenge of this route - getting the train moving, and, more importantly, controlling the descent. This is why you poor sods using Bve 2.5 will have trouble, you need the progressive air brake of 2.3 CiaoSaxon Locomotive Works - "The difficult we do immediately; the impossible takes a little longer"http://www.zodiac-infosystems.co.uk/rail/bve

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>That's the challenge of this route - getting the train
>moving, and, more importantly, controlling the descent. This
>is why you poor sods using Bve 2.5 will have trouble, you
>need the progressive air brake of 2.3 So, that's why, until now, I still ONLY have BVE 2.3 installed.

------My favourite LUL train------

HAPPY NOW? It's not moving anymore.
It's still the same train but in another livery, that's all.

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LAST EDITED ON Apr-26-03 AT 08:44 AM (EDT)

"That's the challenge of this route - getting the train moving, and, more importantly, controlling the descent."
Agree.
And I like the heavy coal route just trying not over hype "smile2evan" expectations. "you poor sods using Bve 2.5 will have trouble, you need the progressive air brake of 2.3"
No agree.(In my case)I have no trouble using air brakes and my favorites locos is
theses with air brakes,like cl 101
error !!upps it's not air brakes originally
it 's just a modification by me(speak to much).

(must say that I 'm using joystick with my program joy4bve before I had trouble with air brakes like everyone)And also I 'm newbie in Bve so I have no version bellow 2.4(this not a request).

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LAST EDITED ON Apr-27-03 AT 11:14 AM (EDT) by Wulf_9 (moderator)

Here is my e-mail sent to Mr Kennewell and his reply:_______________""""_________________________----- Original Message -----
From: Akis Giftopoulos
To: ######@####### => EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED (Wulf_9)
Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2003 8:11 PM
Subject: Permission to host Heavy Coal BVE route
Attention: Mr Bruce Kennewell

Dear Sir

As you may already know, your BVE "Heavy Coal" route, cannot be downloaded from the official hosting site (crotrainz.com), since all downloads of the above site have been currently suspended. The matter was brought up in trainsim.com discussion forum and it seems that several BVE funs would like to download the route (see http://www.train-sim.com/dcforum/DCForumID17/168.html#17). Wulf_9 who runs the excellent Saxon Locomotive Works site, proposed to host the route and train (some other previously "lost" routes are now hosted in the "Despatch Office" of the same site - see Wulf's site http://www.zodiac-infosystems.co.uk/rail/bve/). Wulf, who is one of the moderators of the above trainsim.com forum and also one of the few people now dealing with top-quality train developing for BVE, has also modified your original NSWGR 46-class locomotive, to a MV46 3000-ton triple-header loco.

If you agree with the above, we would like your permission, to host the route (including both existing versions and any other version you might add now) and modified loco, in the above SLW site.

Best regards

Akis Giftopoulos
(for trainsim.com forum "smile2evan")

Athens GreeceReply:Dear Akis,
No worries - go for it!
I'm flattered that my work is still of interest and you have my permission to host it anywhere that you like.

And thank you for extending me the courtesy of asking - that was most gentlemanly of you.

Best regards,
Bruce.
__________________"""""_________________So Wulf it is up to you now. By the way, thank you for your offer to host the route and all your guidelines.Smile2evan

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Well,smile, that is most impressive, if a wee bit formal, lol I think I am not that rare a thing, a developer of quality trains, just that some of the other 'big guns' are biding their time until they feel it's right for them again. There is definitely no shortage of train makers still working, in fact some new developments are feeding through SLW on their way to final release, just be patient Ok then, since this looks like a green flag from Bruce K., watch the SLW site for updates p.s. Barney, if you're reading this, you can have the new files to add to the CT downloads as soon as you want them CiaoSaxon Locomotive Works - "The difficult we do immediately; the impossible takes a little longer"http://www.zodiac-infosystems.co.uk/rail/bve

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(Maybe the answer is off topic a bit...) >Well,
>
>smile, that is most impressive, if a wee bit formal, lol Well, since I don't know Mr Kennewell, I think being formal and polite is basic principles.>I think I am not that rare a thing, a developer of quality
>trains, just that some of the other 'big guns' are biding
>their time until they feel it's right for them again. There
>is definitely no shortage of train makers still working, in
>fact some new developments are feeding through SLW on their
>way to final release, just be patient I agree that there are train developers for instance The BVe Uk train collection team, the BVE-train .de team and some Japanese developers like Kame, Minatono the Hirakami team (and others-sorry if I forget someone) that produce top quality trains, still there is no doubt that you are one of them. I personaly look forward to every new train of SLW.That's all!!! Smile2evan

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LAST EDITED ON Apr-26-03 AT 10:25 AM (EDT)

For sure Thanks *News Item*Since checking again, I realised that I made a customised run sound set for this train, fortunately the v2 route is in csv so I am gonna make it TSS before release - it will be worth it CiaoSaxon Locomotive Works - "The difficult we do immediately; the impossible takes a little longer"http://www.zodiac-infosystems.co.uk/rail/bve

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