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Charter Member · 355 posts

LAST EDITED ON Feb-13-03 AT 07:57 AM (EDT)

Post ANY shots of what ever you like train related - msts - trainz or real life - heres my shots lol - these pics - hehehehe - the computer is being a lil b**** lolcheers
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Member since Feb-6-03 · 171 posts

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LAST EDITED ON Feb-13-03 AT 07:53 AM (EDT)

What SHOTS???????????????????Edit:Fancy that, my 100th post is this one.Projects
- 421 class Public Transport Commission of New South Wales diesel electircs:
Fuel & Air tanks - 95%
No. 2 end - 88% (Pilot details and number boards/headlights need to be added)
No. 1 end - 05% (Headlight & handrails are on)
Sides - 33% (frame work is up, about 1/4 of panels on)
Overall - 15.3%
- 422 class New South Wales Government Railways diesel electircs:
On the drawing boards for a project after the 421's.
Overall - Not official

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Member since Feb-6-03 · 171 posts

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You could say that was lit up like a x-mas tree! Really "kewl". Projects
- 421 class Public Transport Commission of New South Wales diesel electircs:
Fuel & Air tanks - 95%
No. 2 end - 88% (Pilot details and number boards/headlights need to be added)
No. 1 end - 05% (Headlight & handrails are on)
Sides - 33% (frame work is up, about 1/4 of panels on)
Overall - 15.3%
- 422 class New South Wales Government Railways diesel electircs:
On the drawing boards for a project after the 421's.
Overall - Not official

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F.Y.I: Hey CSX doesnt own this engine anymore. It belongs to a short line in South Carolina now. The number on it is still the same and the color is still MOW orange. but they did change the name on it. We (NS) have to interchange with them daily.

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Member since Feb-6-03 · 171 posts

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LAST EDITED ON Feb-13-03 AT 08:05 AM (EDT)

They're all cool!!!!!
*munches midnight snack*
I like either the first one or the last one best.
"lol - these pics - hehehehe - the computer is being a lil b**** lol"
Like its owner eh? (j/k)Projects
- 421 class Public Transport Commission of New South Wales diesel electircs:
Fuel & Air tanks - 95%
No. 2 end - 88% (Pilot details and number boards/headlights need to be added)
No. 1 end - 05% (Headlight & handrails are on)
Sides - 33% (frame work is up, about 1/4 of panels on)
Overall - 15.3%
- 422 class New South Wales Government Railways diesel electircs:
On the drawing boards for a project after the 421's.
Overall - Not official

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lol - thanks - what can you say ? - i was bored yeah - the last one was cool - im working on another now hahahahaha - like a bitch?? - nah my brother - lolcheers
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Member since Feb-6-03 · 171 posts

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Hmmmmmmmmm, my brother (one of them - I have two) is more like a tank. I'm more the bitch at my place. Projects
- 421 class Public Transport Commission of New South Wales diesel electircs:
Fuel & Air tanks - 95%
No. 2 end - 88% (Pilot details and number boards/headlights need to be added)
No. 1 end - 05% (Headlight & handrails are on)
Sides - 33% (frame work is up, about 1/4 of panels on)
Overall - 15.3%
- 422 class New South Wales Government Railways diesel electircs:
On the drawing boards for a project after the 421's.
Overall - Not official

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hahahaha - my bro is a stick lolAAGGHH!! - i have done this cool photo of Q 303 and Q 301 on an ore train - but the page i got it from - ARG photo gallaries says:The photographs in this gallery are for media and personal use only. Publication of any photographs from this gallery should bear an acknowledgement to the Australian Railroad Group.Can i post if i state:I GOT THIS PIC FROM ARG!!!! - hehehehe- just to make sure ppl dont have a go at me! :|cheers
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Member since Feb-6-03 · 171 posts

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Nope, you would have to say..."I GOT THIS PICTURE FROM ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!"
I'm also a stick, so don't knock sticks!Projects
- 421 class Public Transport Commission of New South Wales diesel electircs:
Fuel & Air tanks - 95%
No. 2 end - 88% (Pilot details and number boards/headlights need to be added)
No. 1 end - 05% (Headlight & handrails are on)
Sides - 33% (frame work is up, about 1/4 of panels on)
Overall - 15.3%
- 422 class New South Wales Government Railways diesel electircs:
On the drawing boards for a project after the 421's.
Overall - Not official

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LAST EDITED ON Feb-13-03 AT 08:54 AM (EDT)

>lol - i wasnt knocking sticks - lol - im a tank So you were just squishing sticks? Most of the people I know are tanks yet I can beat most of them in a fight (if I needed to fight, but I don't) - My brother is 82kg and I can pull him across carpet no problems - and I'm only 50kg. - Someone mind explaining that one to me.
BTW, nice pic.Projects
- 421 class Public Transport Commission of New South Wales diesel electircs:
Fuel & Air tanks - 95%
No. 2 end - 88% (Pilot details and number boards/headlights need to be added)
No. 1 end - 05% (Headlight & handrails are on)
Sides - 33% (frame work is up, about 1/4 of panels on)
Overall - 15.3%
- 422 class New South Wales Government Railways diesel electircs:
On the drawing boards for a project after the 421's.
Overall - Not official

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Member since Feb-6-03 · 171 posts

Is this pic cool?

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General Photos – image 18Projects
- 421 class Public Transport Commission of New South Wales diesel electircs:
Fuel & Air tanks - 95%
No. 2 end - 88% (Pilot details and number boards/headlights need to be added)
No. 1 end - 05% (Headlight & handrails are on)
Sides - 33% (frame work is up, about 1/4 of panels on)
Overall - 15.3%
- 422 class New South Wales Government Railways diesel electircs:
On the drawing boards for a project after the 421's.
Overall - Not official

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Member since Feb-6-03 · 171 posts

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LOL!
How about when locos were lifted off ships via use of a steam crane?Projects
- 421 class Public Transport Commission of New South Wales diesel electircs:
Fuel & Air tanks - 95%
No. 2 end - 88% (Pilot details and number boards/headlights need to be added)
No. 1 end - 05% (Headlight & handrails are on)
Sides - 33% (frame work is up, about 1/4 of panels on)
Overall - 15.3%
- 422 class New South Wales Government Railways diesel electircs:
On the drawing boards for a project after the 421's.
Overall - Not official

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How aboot some Norfork Southern pics....*dark evil grin*Warning: I AM NOT RESPONIBLE FOR SHORTING OUT KEYBOARDS, FLOODING HOMES, AND THE BREAKING UP OF GIRLFRIENDS AND WIFES!! View Photos are your own risk!!! :)

Brian E. Bundridge
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LAST EDITED ON Feb-14-03 AT 01:28 PM (EDT)

Heres the complete Set Of pictures That Go Along With the one above. edit: for some reason the third picture isn't showing. you can click on the link to see it.Nighthawk-1
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Virtual MSTS Rebuild Shop.
http://members.cox.net/nighthawk-1

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Member since Feb-6-03 · 171 posts

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lmao@the warningGreat pictures.
Like that one of the signal. I believe that I have a fix in the works for that black spot on the signal too. Projects
- 421 class Public Transport Commission of New South Wales diesel electircs:
Fuel & Air tanks - 95%
No. 2 end - 88% (Pilot details and number boards/headlights need to be added)
No. 1 end - 05% (Headlight & handrails are on)
Sides - 33% (frame work is up, about 1/4 of panels on)
Overall - 15.3%
- 422 class New South Wales Government Railways diesel electircs:
On the drawing boards for a project after the 421's.
Overall - Not official

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LAST EDITED ON Feb-15-03 AT 00:53 AM (EDT)

terrific pics there!! heres some more - i was bored - i managed to catch Pilbara Rail train 925 along Crawford Hill - more shots comming cheers
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Member since Feb-6-03 · 171 posts

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LAST EDITED ON Feb-15-03 AT 00:59 AM (EDT)

Computer's being a bitch again?Great pics. Projects
- 421 class Public Transport Commission of New South Wales diesel electircs:
Fuel & Air tanks - 95%
No. 2 end - 88% (Pilot details and number boards/headlights need to be added)
No. 1 end - 05% (Headlight & handrails are on)
Sides - 33% (frame work is up, about 1/4 of panels on)
Overall - 15.3%
- 422 class New South Wales Government Railways diesel electircs:
On the drawing boards for a project after the 421's.
Overall - Not official

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Member since Feb-6-03 · 171 posts

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LAST EDITED ON Feb-15-03 AT 02:53 AM (EDT)

That pic is MAD!!!!"not bad skins for a 17 year old hey?"I'm only 14 and tackling a bulldog which I think is going to come out rather well. I've attached a pic hot off the press!PS: The white doesn't really do it justice.Projects
- 421 class Public Transport Commission of New South Wales diesel electircs:
Fuel & Air tanks - 95%
No. 2 end - 88% (Pilot details and number boards/headlights need to be added)
No. 1 end - 05% (Headlight & handrails are on)
Sides - 33% (frame work is up, about 1/4 of panels on)
Overall - 15.3%
- 422 class New South Wales Government Railways diesel electircs:
On the drawing boards for a project after the 421's.
Overall - Not official

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LAST EDITED ON Feb-15-03 AT 03:21 AM (EDT)

the 421 is looking hot!! - well done - keep it up heres some more pics from HI train 285 the start of train 285 with C44's 7089 and 7088the end of train 285 with another 7089 - and 7086a shot of 285 going through the feilds now time to show off my 2 main projects cheers
mikeGeneral Photos – image 51

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Member since Feb-6-03 · 171 posts

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I think the computer needs replacing. And now, I'm putting it off no longer, I'm actually doing part of the nose. Projects
- 421 class Public Transport Commission of New South Wales diesel electircs:
Fuel & Air tanks - 95%
No. 2 end - 88% (Pilot details and number boards/headlights need to be added)
No. 1 end - 05% (Headlight & handrails are on)
Sides - 33% (frame work is up, about 1/4 of panels on)
Overall - 15.3%
- 422 class New South Wales Government Railways diesel electircs:
On the drawing boards for a project after the 421's.
Overall - Not official

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lol - good luck!! - hehehe - thats why i chose the 82/S Class/2500 to do as my first model - something easy - after my 3 models are done - im gonna do the QR 2300 class - im gonna go photograph them on coal trains in brisi in april!! LOL!! - im doing the handrails on the 82 class - they are sooooo time consuming! :Scheers
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Member since Feb-6-03 · 171 posts

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Handrails and "time consuming" in the same sentence? What planet do you come from, Saturn? Handrails, barring footplates are the easiest thing to do on a loco. That's why I've got six of the ten handrails already done. Once I get the nose done it should all be rather easy seeing as I did the only other really hard bit today, the fuel & air tanks + pipes running from them. I'm more than happy with the result, even if it did result in the use 482 odd polys. I've attached two screenshots taken earlier today...General Photos – image 58
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- 421 class Public Transport Commission of New South Wales diesel electircs:
Fuel & Air tanks - 95%
No. 2 end - 88% (Pilot details and number boards/headlights need to be added)
No. 1 end - 05% (Headlight & handrails are on)
Sides - 33% (frame work is up, about 1/4 of panels on)
Overall - 15.3%
- 422 class New South Wales Government Railways diesel electircs:
On the drawing boards for a project after the 421's.
Overall - Not official

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lol - the boring blue boxes have all these bends in - which i might do - i might not - depending on poly counts - the 90 class ones are easy - hahaha - the 48's are EASY too - just the 82s are kinda time consuming - btw - im using Gmax cheers
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heres an update of what many ppl call "boring blue boxes" - thats so rude - i like the 82's! i finally have done the handrails and other detailssorry about the pic - its kinda BAD!! - it isnt showing the small details like MU cables - black on black im now going to do the cuts in the roof where the horn goesanyone know how to add headlights??? - i wouldnt have the SLIGHTEST idea how to convert it into MSTS now - lol - i know there is a program on MSTS disc one - i gotta get it back off my mate :@ - lolcheers
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Member since Feb-6-03 · 171 posts

RE: 82 Class update :)

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Um, that would seem like a 200m monster unless you've changed the grid settings.However, that's good for a first attempt, however (please don't take this the wrong way) it is lacking the finer details - like bogies which actually take the form of a shape and stuff like that, however as I said before, what you have there is great for a first attempt. I look forward to watching you better your own work. Projects
- 421 class Public Transport Commission of New South Wales diesel electircs:
Fuel & Air tanks - 95%
No. 2 end - 88% (Pilot details and number boards/headlights need to be added)
No. 1 end - 05% (Headlight & handrails are on)
Sides - 33% (frame work is up, about 1/4 of panels on)
Overall - 15.3%
- 422 class New South Wales Government Railways diesel electircs:
On the drawing boards for a project after the 421's.
Overall - Not official

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RE: 82 Class update :)

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Ok then mate. I guess I shouldn't be saying too much about the bogies seeing as my bogies are only boxes at the moment too. LOL!Projects
- 421 class Public Transport Commission of New South Wales diesel electircs:
Fuel & Air tanks - 95%
No. 2 end - 88% (Pilot details and number boards/headlights need to be added)
No. 1 end - 05% (Headlight & handrails are on)
Sides - 33% (frame work is up, about 1/4 of panels on)
Overall - 15.3%
- 422 class New South Wales Government Railways diesel electircs:
On the drawing boards for a project after the 421's.
Overall - Not official

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LAST EDITED ON Feb-15-03 AT 04:06 AM (EDT)

hahaha - its fine - lol - u thought the 82's bogies were bad - atleast they have some - my 90 class doesnt have any :S - do they use the same bogies as the 82??lol - would it be possible to add to the .sms file - the 82 class bogies sqeaking! - that would be awesome - lolCRAP!! - guess what i forgot on the 82?!?!?!?!?! cheers
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Member since Feb-6-03 · 171 posts

RE: 82 Class update :)

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I don't have plans of either loco on me. However I can tell you that they use similar bogies, I don't think they're the same but I'll look into it for you.Projects
- 421 class Public Transport Commission of New South Wales diesel electircs:
Fuel & Air tanks - 95%
No. 2 end - 88% (Pilot details and number boards/headlights need to be added)
No. 1 end - 05% (Headlight & handrails are on)
Sides - 33% (frame work is up, about 1/4 of panels on)
Overall - 15.3%
- 422 class New South Wales Government Railways diesel electircs:
On the drawing boards for a project after the 421's.
Overall - Not official

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mine:General Photos – image 73
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Wow they're both great shots, I think the last one looks slightly better. What locos/skins are they?Projects
- 421 class Public Transport Commission of New South Wales diesel electircs:
Fuel & Air tanks - 95%
No. 2 end - 88% (Pilot details and number boards/headlights need to be added)
No. 1 end - 05% (Headlight & handrails are on)
Sides - 33% (frame work is up, about 1/4 of panels on)
Overall - 15.3%
- 422 class New South Wales Government Railways diesel electircs:
On the drawing boards for a project after the 421's.
Overall - Not official

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Thanks, I feel a re-birth in my interest in American locomotives... Projects
- 421 class Public Transport Commission of New South Wales diesel electircs:
Fuel & Air tanks - 95%
No. 2 end - 88% (Pilot details and number boards/headlights need to be added)
No. 1 end - 05% (Headlight & handrails are on)
Sides - 33% (frame work is up, about 1/4 of panels on)
Overall - 15.3%
- 422 class New South Wales Government Railways diesel electircs:
On the drawing boards for a project after the 421's.
Overall - Not official

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RE: General Photos

General Photos – image 86

I LIKE IT!LOL!
Better add a picture of my 421 in the sim, albeit without any textures. General Photos – image 87Projects
- 421 class Public Transport Commission of New South Wales diesel electircs:
Fuel & Air tanks - 95%
No. 2 end - 88% (Pilot details and number boards/headlights need to be added)
No. 1 end - 05% (Headlight & handrails are on)
Sides - 33% (frame work is up, about 1/4 of panels on)
Overall - 15.3%
- 422 class New South Wales Government Railways diesel electircs:
On the drawing boards for a project after the 421's.
Overall - Not official

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