Supertrian engine interoirs

I added interiors to the engine but its not finished yet. Anastasia in the cab is based a dream I had a while back about her being put in control of a supertrain in the movie Anastasia. It seemed Marie wanted to keep her from Dimitri but how the Romanovs would get their hands on a supertrain in 1926 no less lay train during a revolution is beyond me because I was lead to believe the train was headed back to Russia. Still a lot to do but can't seem to bring myself to work on the @%$%@% thing like I used to.Fix graphic problems on roof of cars
Fix rear plaform and add a view there
Fix headlights and get wheels animated again
Don't know if I can do anymore with the engine because its up to 3376 polys already.

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It just staggers the mind.......................

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Yep, words can't describe how I feel about it......Chris Bogley
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ditto....

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If it wasnt for my horse...

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You need help. Drugs really can really mess you up, kids...

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my thoughts exactly, stay away from those drugs.

Nothing hits you like the wind of a 60mph freight train going by only 3 feet away!

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Thats how the engine looked in the show. Anastasia won't be in the final release. I am gonna make myself a couple versions for myself. An Anastasia one and one with some Disney stuff.

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it looked like that in the Show?!!?,OMG Someone call Disney!

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alright I have a bunch of Supertrain screen grabs to post them.

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>You need help. Drugs really can really mess you up, kids... Um, That really was uncalled for...

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>I'm like speechless!
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>Chuck Schneider LOLSomeone write this date & time down !!On another noteSo am I !!LaterTim Kent – 96th_Malice - Winnipeg Canada

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> Um, That really was uncalled for...The day I see something like that riding on the rails is the day I'll check myself into the looney bin...Then again, at least it will be change from the countless hordes of C40-9Ws that chug past my house...

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check out the screenshots I just posted. This is the thanks I get for building it. Seems people around here only care for diesels and freight equipment. I haven't seen a passenger car or train uploaded in months since the monon train. I like passenger trains and mass transit stuff. All I wanted was to bring supertrain to life in MSTS. Why do I even bother with it.

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I like it who cares what these other guys say
Keep up the good work .

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>Seems people around here only care for diesels and freight equipment.Hmmm, could that be because that's what most people nowadays grown up with? Some of the guys here don't even know what a steam loco is...Trust me, my fantasy steam stuff is constantly ignored or ends up on the 2nd page within less than a day because of all the diesel and freight threads.
Now I'M SURE that if it was a thread about prototypical SD80's or the like hauling a freight on a prototypical route people would flock to see it.I do as hellboy50 says and upload my stuff anyway. Then those who want can download at any time. /JonatanSteam rules!

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I was trying to create the inside of the cab and loco as best as I could I don't know how else to do it.

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Tough crowd around here Brad. Supertrain, or whatever its called, probably won't be too popular it seems, unless Danny Beck decides to do it then it'll be the best thing since sliced bread!
The way I look at it, you'll never get any better unless you keep trying. So I echo Jonatan and say keep plugging away at it if it makes you happy... -Mike

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> Tough crowd around here Brad. Supertrain, or whatever its called, probably won't be too popular it seems, unless Danny Beck decides to do it then it'll be the best thing since sliced bread!
The way I look at it, you'll never get any better unless you keep trying. So I echo Jonatan and say keep plugging away at it if it makes you happy... If Leonardo da Vinci came back from the dead and did it himself, I still wouldn't download it because it isn't something that interests me. I like using MSTS to do something I can't do in real life - drive diesel engines around the rails of America. I may be biased, but we all like using MSTS differently and I just happen to like using it to simulate real-world modern train operations.

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>You need help. Drugs really can really mess you up, kids...If it doesn't interest you, then why bother to come out with something like this? I personally don't have much use for Supertrain either but taking turns throwing this kid under the bus doesn't make it better...-Mike

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Well its not a bad model, you just kind of set yourself up with the Anistasia dream bit. Rule of thumb, try not to give people somthing to fuel off of, I had to learn that in the real world back in elementry and junior high, and finally got a hand on it around 8th grade (man I would be disin' myself if i wasnt me back then! ). Well the worlds full of critics, jerks, and bullies. Just keep your wits about you and shove on!
Also respect begets respect, that goes for everyone! also appologies for the post before (was a Lewis Black quote from one of his prefomances), wasn't really directed at you personnally. Keep up the good work!

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> If it doesn't interest you, then why bother to come out with something like this? I personally don't have much use for Supertrain either but taking turns throwing this kid under the bus doesn't make it better...You didn't catch my sarcastic humor there? Ya, I just thought the whole concept of the thing looked a little weird and wacky. Even a bit psychadellic at first glance. And I wasn't criticizing the model. I really wasn't. I've seen payware stuff that looks worse than that...

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This is the first model I have tried to build you can't expect it to be perfect early on. I know I have problems with it. I can't draw textures very well nor can I find any 70's fonts. I have soo many problems with GMAX that at times I wanted to throw the thing away myself. I have always felt NBC was to blame for Supertrain's failure. They rushed it throw production in six months. Hardly time for writers to come up with descent ideas let alone polish off scripts I bet most of the scripts used were 1st or second drafts. Then NBC retools after four episodes and during the last 5 they constantly change things left and right. Lets confuse viewers when characters don't show up after one show. Supertrain deserves better then what NBC gave it.

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>check out the screenshots I just posted. This is the thanks
>I get for building it. Seems people around here only care
>for diesels and freight equipment. I haven't seen a
>passenger car or train uploaded in months since the monon
>train. I like passenger trains and mass transit stuff. All I
>wanted was to bring supertrain to life in MSTS. Why do I
>even bother with it. I don't think you are going to find too many fans of Supertrain anywhere. It lasted less than a season, and is the only thing that kept Battlestar Galactica from being the biggest and most expensive failure of the 1978-79 TV season.I can appreciate the desire you have in building Supertrain, but I think you are more than a little obsessed with it if you are dreaming about it. Especially if Disney characters are included in this dream.

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Battlestar Galactica got a full season while Supertrain only got a few episodes. For another show that failed how did Galactica get a following?

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>Battlestar Galactica got a full season while Supertrain only
>got a few episodes. For another show that failed how did
>Galactica get a following? Uh. . . because unlike Supertrain, Battlestar Galactica was actually half-way decent despite production limitations, rushed scheduling, wooden acting and borrowed plots. Supertrain was like Silver Streak meets The Love Boat with a little futuristic technology thrown in. I don't think it could even manage to attract the foamer crowd of railfans.I'm actually curious to know why it is a favorite of yours. Supertrain was roundly considered as the biggest flop of all time, and helped bankrupt NBC.

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Because the clip of Supertrain racing out of Grand Central Station has been stuck in my mind since the show aired. NBC ran that clip in their promos all the time. They even ran'em on saturday mornings. It looked futurtisc to me and I think its cool. For decades I tried to find out what happened to it. NBC just needed to take their time and it would have worked but for some reason they got into a rush and screwed it up bigtime. I only remember watching Express to Terror and not the regular episodes. Most people just can't seem to see pass it being a failure.

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>Because the clip of Supertrain racing out of Grand Central
>Station has been stuck in my mind since the show aired. NBC
>ran that clip in their promos all the time. They even ran'em
>on saturday mornings. It looked futurtisc to me and I think
>its cool. For decades I tried to find out what happened to
>it. NBC just needed to take their time and it would have
>worked but for some reason they got into a rush and screwed
>it up bigtime. I only remember watching Express to Terror
>and not the regular episodes. Most people just can't seem to
>see pass it being a failure. Okay, I can accept some of that. Supertrain is considered a failure to most people because they just didn't get into the story, and the ratings plunged dramatically after just a few episodes. That was probably why NBC decided to retool it in hopes of attracting a larger audience. But that didn't work, either. I'm truly surprised that there is actually a serious fan of this short-lived, low-rated television series from almost 25 years ago.What I'm most curious about, though, is why you dream of an animated Disney character riding on Supertrain? I'm still kind of taken aback by that revelation.

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Don't know why I dreamed about Anaastasia in it. Besides Anastasia was done by FOX and not Disney.

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>> Um, That really was uncalled for...
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>The day I see something like that riding on the rails is the
>day I'll check myself into the looney bin...
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>Then again, at least it will be change from the countless
>hordes of C40-9Ws that chug past my house... Who cares if you don't like it...thats no reason to have a swing at the creator. I don't like C40-9Ws, should I say your a stupid moron who smokes too much pot? Of course not!I'm sorry but you are an idiot

Adam
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i'm not the one that's so absurd
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I wasn't a big fan of the show. But hey if you had only a TV show to go by to make a model of something (a pretty old show at that) it would be hard at best to make a model. This was on the air when VCR's were like 5 to 600 hundred bucks.I kinda thought it was a bit like a rolling version of the Love Boat. That said this isn't a bad model. It needs some refining and if remember correctly the trainset was a stainless steel look to them. Which would be really cool looking if it's repainted. I have some idea's on how you can improve the textures.There is a program called wintopo.http://homepage.ntlworld.com/heatons/softsoft/wintopo/index-free.htmIf you are using Paintshop version 7+ or photoshop you can use the above program to create a vector image of the texture you wish to use. What your currently doing is blowing up the texture by resizing. Wintopo lets you do this but as a vextor. As a vector it retains it's shape. Wintopo converts a lets say bitmap into a vector format so you can then resize it to what ever you like. This will help elliminate the pixalation you have with your textures. This works best on a texture you don't are can't get in a good size.I'm thinking that this is case for the supertrain as I can only remember it from seeing an for it in trains magazine. They wanted to sell the 1/4 Scale model of the train and track. They wanted 10K for it. I don't know if it was sold or if so who bought it. From the standpoint of it being only one of the two series ever based on a rail road it had a certain intrigue and I was hopefull before it aired that it was going to be quite cool but it just was a bit two much romance and not enough rails for me. Hey I was in my teens at the time.I wouldn't concentrate to much on the interior beyond the cab as you won't be able to go there in the sim. From a 3D model say MAX or something like that it would be pretty cool. In the trainsim though it's a bit of distraction.I think it's a really cool model and once you get the textures right it's going look even better. Anyway check out the wintopo it should help quite a bit.I've been here for some time know and have never scene someone get slammed as hard as this for putting up a model for review. It's easy to model something that there is a 1000 photos of or that you can run out and take pictures of. For something that only exists in a lets say anchient TV show it's a bit different. With a bit of work this could be really cool. You didn't laugh at the monorail and it's piece of fiction. It's mostly likely going to be driverless if it ever comes about. It's sim potential is one of a big board were you watch your monorails move about. This although fiction was an attempt at something that could exist of perhaps could have existed if amtrak wasn't in the crapper at the time the series was on..So lighten up. This is supposed to be fun not work..Ronson2k

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Passenger trains to me are much for running if there isn't a passenger view so I can ride in them.

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>>You didn't laugh at the monorail and it's piece of fiction.There are monorails, they are not fictional.Kevin V.
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I shrunk the engine and first car. Some panels and inside stuff are still unscaled.

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Now that's beginning to look alot better! See how it now looks more in scale with the track as compared to the actual show? You can see now though, what I mean if the other surrounding objects aren't also scaled, it will look to small. Take Ronson's advice on that vector tool, if possible it will help soften the texturing. Also paint your model silver! (The white areas) and add specular lighting. From the shots of the show you posted yesterday, it looked like ST was stainless steel. Also, if I remember correctly from those shots, the area of the squared off nose (Where the headlights are) should be reduced a little, if possible, but not alot!! See if you can print out some of those screen grabs from the show, that show the train in different angles, Side view, Front view, Angle view, top view (If possible). Then you can compare them to your model and make adjustments accordingly! Just remember, in the end this is your creation. If you like the outcome of it, that's all that matters, Don't let others get you down.

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