Olympian Hiawatha in the Jefferson R. Canyon

Gentleman,First a little history. Tonight, I experimented with AI trains, and have set up the Eastbound NCL to leave Whitehall, MT at the same time that the westbound OH leaves Three Forks. In the real world, both trains did depart Butte, eastbound, near enough that there was sometimes an impromptu race to see who got to Sappington first & thereby got the signal to cross the other line at grade. In addition, in two images, you will note an oddity with the wheels on the OH observation car. This is a known problem, which the creator has not (yet) fixed, and since he has not been active in the groups for sometime, we may just have to live with it - otherwise, this is a very fine rendition of a once great train. A few cars that were used on the OH are still extant, being used on the 261 trips in the midwest, notably a rear-end lounge car. The dome cars were not as successful as some others.For the past several hours, I have been creating the riverbed for the Jefferson River. To do this, I mark the riverbanks with markers at fairly frequent intervals. DEMEX & seamless data actually create the river correctly for the most part, but then the bottom must be lowered slightly, else there is a streaky effect on the water. Setting your aliasing to 2x helps too. (Video card setting).In the first image, the train is crossing a small creek and entering the first vestage of the canyon about 1/2 mile west of Sappington, MT. In the second image, the train has moved only a few yards and we see the eastbound NCL on the otherside of the river, so that was a close meet. One thing MSTS needs to have is a way to interlock crossings. This (and Sinclair as well) were originally manned interlockings but by the 60s, they were automatic. In the third image, the train has moved deeper into the narrower confines. On the right bank is the NP, and also there will be State Highway 2 as well.J. H. Sullivan

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RE: Olympian Hiawatha in the Jefferson R. Canyon, smp11512, Oct-10-03, 09:52 PM, (1) RE: Olympian Hiawatha in the Jefferson R. Canyon, pacmancreator, Oct-10-03, 11:24 PM, (2) RE: Olympian Hiawatha in the Jefferson R. Canyon, xlspecial261, Oct-11-03, 02:30 PM, (3) RE: Olympian Hiawatha in the Jefferson R. Canyon, landnrailroader, Oct-11-03, 05:12 PM, (4) RE: Olympian Hiawatha in the Jefferson R. Canyon, ssw, Oct-11-03, 10:19 PM, (5) RE: Olympian Hiawatha in the Jefferson R. Canyon, xlspecial261, Oct-12-03, 04:56 PM, (6) RE: Olympian Hiawatha in the Jefferson R. Canyon, landnrailroader, Oct-12-03, 05:31 PM, (7)

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The Skytops used on the Oly Hi were different than those used on the Twin Cities trains. They only look similar.The Cedar Rapids, now owned by the 261 group, is not one of the Oly Hi cars.As usual, the route looks good Jerry. Should eb fun to run when it's complete.Todd

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I'll stand corrected on mixing up the Hiawatha obs. cars. I guess the one that I rode in 1956 was probably a Twin Cities Hi. car. I rode the morning HI. up to Milwaukee, and waited maybe 3 hours, long enough to walk over to Kalmbach Pub., which was closed as it was a Saturday, and then I rode the Hi. back. I seem to remember leaving Milwaukee around 3pm. or so. - it was certainly a fast ride both ways.I got a soft drink in the Lounge car, and a gentleman sat down across the table, and the waiter brought him a plate, glass, and pitcher of water, no ice. He put the glass on the plate and filled it to the very brim with water -- and took notes whenever it spilled over the edge. He was the roadmaster - and this was jointed rail, mostly 125lb. at the time.Jerry

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The "Rapids" series, "Dell Rapids", "Priest Rapids", "Coon Rapids" and "Cedar Rapids" were lounge cars.The "Creek" series, "Alder Creek", "Arrow Creek" "Coffee Creek" "Marble Creek", "Spanish Creek" and "Gold Creek" (I got 9 out of 10 from memory.. forgot "Gold Creek" and I call myself a MILW foamer... ) were sleepers.

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>I got a soft drink in the Lounge car, and a gentleman sat
>down across the table, and the waiter brought him a plate,
>glass, and pitcher of water, no ice. He put the glass on
>the plate and filled it to the very brim with water -- and
>took notes whenever it spilled over the edge. He was the
>roadmaster - and this was jointed rail, mostly 125lb. at the
>time.
>
>Jerry I wish our roadmasters still did this. Probably more accurate than the TEC train they run over it now.Todd

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The spilled water method is very accurate if the objective is to give passengers a smooth ride, and if the roadmaster knows his territory extremely well.
Having managed and operated a Track Geometry Recording car for 11 years on the Southern, I can say that a well maintained car is quite accurate, accurate enough for freight operation, and since it's distance measurement is also accurate, the roadmaster does not have to know his territory that well - some cars put a blot of paint on a defect area also.
However, if it is passengers, they are much more delicate and subjective than freight, so the water glass method is hard to beat.And by the way, that train was topping 90mph most of the way.J. H. Sullivan

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