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msavianneyCharter Member · 260 posts

Hi all,Time for a quick survey. If you could have any piece of traction created for MSTS, what would it/they be? TSM is a wonderful thing, and the possibilities are great. My choices are1) A generic Brill semi-convertable
2) PCC
3) Birney
4) A generic Niles wooden interurbanWell, it seems I'm in luck. All of these cars are either underway or are on peoples' to-do list. I'm working on the Niles car and I've just started the birney. Of course, the common thread is that these cars have plenty of repaint options.Who's next?Cheers,
Matt ATraction - who wants what? – image 2

Milwaukee Electric Lines

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shovelnoseCharter Member · 95 posts

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1) Pre-war original style PCC
2) Post-war 1947+ PCC with standee windows.
3) Blackpool Balloon, twin and single destination screens.
4) Blackpool Brush Car, twin and single destination screens.
5) Generic type Peter-Witt car.Traction - who wants what? – image 3


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tryaginCharter Member · 898 posts

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Well, let me see....
I like the older turn-of-the(last)-century to 1920's equipment. I'd like to see....
1.A Maguire Snow-Sweeper with snow-effects.
2.A St.Louis Car Co. P.A.Y.E. double-truck semi-convertible, standard AND narrow gauge.
3.A Brill Council Crest 500-series of Portland, Oregon fame (my Grandad's route), also narrow-gauge.
4.A Hollywood car in both Pacific Electric and PEPCO colors.
5.A Brill Master Unit.Well, that should keep us busy,heh,heh.Tim PS~ Matt, how many windows is the Niles you're working on. And are they the flat arched windows, or the gothic arched? The reason I'm asking is PRL&P had two, one of which was re-built with an open platform and named "Portland" and I'd thought about that one for the to-do list. Aw, heck, here's a nice picture of it at River Mill Dam, 1910-ish.
Traction - who wants what? – image 11Thanks for looking,Tim Traction - who wants what? – image 12

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msavianneyCharter Member · 260 posts

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LAST EDITED ON Jun-05-02 AT 06:43 PM (EDT)Hi Tim and everyone,Here are two prototype pics of the Niles car that is starting to take shape in TSM. The first one shows it in its original Milwaukee Northern Ry condition
Traction - who wants what? – image 13 These cars were rebuilt by TMER&L (The Milwaukee Electric Railway and Light Co) in the late twenties, and ended up looking like this...
Traction - who wants what? – image 14Of course, with texture alterations, the flat-topped window cars are possible, with many variations of car able to be done. Thanks to Dave's Railpix for the pics.
Cheers,
Matt ATraction - who wants what? – image 15

Milwaukee Electric Lines

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tryaginCharter Member · 898 posts

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Okay, Too long for PRL&P, but probably just right for Oregon Electric! Sweet! Can't wait to see that one. Good luck, Matthew!Tim

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dchagarCharter Member · 163 posts

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Besides the Mesaba cars that Matt is working on, here's my dream list:
1. North Shore Electroliner
2. Illinois Terminal Streamliner
3. "Late Model" PCC wide-body (Minneapolis/St. Paul)
4. Train of standard North Shore cars
I'll keep working on the route, you folks build the cars!
Dave

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bcdefCharter Member · 709 posts

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a Union Pacific trolly!
gas powered!
Union Pacific railorad is the the best railroad in the world!
if we want it to stay like that we better pay tribute!
Union Pacifc Railroad has ben around longer then any other MAJOR railroad. UP is the best MIX of all railroad stuff. PEACE Love Freedom

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Thirdrail70Charter Member · 147 posts

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Yippee!! Now we have our own section in the message boards. I think that, at least for most North American traction fans, the PCC has the most universal appeal. My favorite version of this model is the pre-war air-electric. City cars as exemplified by the Perley Thomas cars of the city of New Orleans are classics along with both single and double-truck Birneys similar to those which will begin operations this fall in Tampa, Florida. Check out http://www.gomacotrolley.com/ for a look.

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smallspyCharter Member · 67 posts

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Being a Torontonian, I'd love to see the CLRV's/ALRV's done, as well as the subways as well. However, I know that everyone is busy, so I'll give it a shot...might as well learn, right?DanThe only thing to fear, is running out of beer.

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mrmikeCharter Member · 319 posts

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Hi all;
My first love is Pacific Electric. Any of the rolling stock used thru the eras of operation. I lived in Brooklyn New York from 1938 til 1949, and rode most of every subway & trolly line that was in operation. It is my hope that many traction cars & trolleys will be modeled & I encourage those that do.
My computer specs are in my profile.
Mike My Computer specs are in my profile
Mike
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This Smile says it all"

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chuckzeilerCharter Member · 353 posts

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LAST EDITED ON Jun-06-02 AT 10:58 AM (EDT)I'd like to see a couple of standard items that the rest of us could freely use, such as Baldwin trucks, interurban knuckle couplers, trolley poles, controller stands, etc., fairly standard equipment that the original manufacturers used.Traction - who wants what? – image 17Traction - who wants what? – image 18

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tryaginCharter Member · 898 posts

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Chuck,I think that's a roaringly good idea. I thought of this myself today while building a special design truck for the boxcab I'm building. I've got a K-36 controller already, and I'd be happy to upload it to the library, possibly along with the Fuller 2-motor truck. I'm going to make some brake equipment and other appurtances, too. But all in due time. But yah, that's a great one!TimTraction - who wants what? – image 19

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tryaginCharter Member · 898 posts

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Okay, here's another piece that would be a "must-have" for any traction property:
Traction - who wants what? – image 20 A street-sprinkler, used to keep down the dust along tracks in the streets.I don't have any plans for this, is there anyone out there who might have of a similar unit? Matt? ( T.M.E.R.L.)Tim

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msavianneyCharter Member · 260 posts

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LAST EDITED ON Jun-09-02 AT 07:08 PM (EDT)Hi Tim, and all,A sprinkler? Easy Peasy! I think I've seen that car before!!!I've got TMER&L refs, as well as some Sydney, Australia pics. Should be easy, if I use currently extant parts. Such a car would be a nice distraction, and help eradicate the temptation to smach the computer when my other projects aren't cooperating About parts, I'm willing to pass on bits and pieces that I've made in TSM. If anyone wants parts from my Milwaukee 1100 or Speedrail lightweight, just let me know...Cheers,
Matt ATraction - who wants what? – image 21

Milwaukee Electric Lines

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century242Charter Member · 350 posts

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LAST EDITED ON Jun-09-02 AT 11:03 PM (EDT) I'll second the request for a Niles Interurban
and how about a GE 650 class
Traction - who wants what? – image 22 "KEEP ON TRUCKIN BY TRAIN"
"Your Freight Goes Great, When it Goes By Great Northern"

Erik Pierson
Sacramento, Ca
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Bringing the steam locomotive to the digital age!
http://sacramentolocomotiveworks.com"Keep on Trucking by Train"
"Your freight goes great with Great Northern."Erik Pierson
Sacramento, Ca
www.sacramentolocomotiveworks.com

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tryaginCharter Member · 898 posts

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LAST EDITED ON Jun-11-02 AT 12:54 PM (EDT)I'm kicking my butt around the block now, because I had plans for the SN Steeplecabs you're talking about, from an old issue of Model Railroader. They were done in 1/48 scale and very nice. I don't remember the mo/yr of that issue, but I just recently got rid of of all my old issues(this was before Trainsim and TSM,of course!). Now, I regret that! So, if any one who may have this particular issue and knows what I'm talking about, please consider scanning and posting the plans, or e-mailing them to me, and I'll consider building it!Tim

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century242Charter Member · 350 posts

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Well, we have the plans for the SN GE 650. just got them today. we are working on several other projects, but we are going to attempt to fit it in soon
"KEEP ON TRUCKIN BY TRAIN"
"Your Freight Goes Great, When it Goes By Great Northern"

Erik Pierson
Sacramento, Ca
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Bringing the steam locomotive to the digital age!
http://sacramentolocomotiveworks.com"Keep on Trucking by Train"
"Your freight goes great with Great Northern."Erik Pierson
Sacramento, Ca
www.sacramentolocomotiveworks.com

Bringing the steam engine to the digital age.

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InterboroughCharter Member · 221 posts

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PCC
Electroliner
Any old New York (manhattan) or brooklyn trolley
BRT #1000
Any CSS
Any PE
Any American LRV
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cohearnCharter Member · 27 posts

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Hi,I'm from Chula Vista, CA(San Diego area) and we are serviced by the Blue Line of the San Diego MTS System. They operate around 72 Siemans-DuWag U-2 units and fifty some Sd-100's. The Denver light-rail system also has these models. I am looking for units to both operate and to use as static scenery. The old Santa Fe Depot is unique in that it still is in use with the light rail system tracks adjacent to the Amtrak and Coaster tracks. Any help in this search would be welcome.Regards,Charles

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oldrailfanMember since Sep-12-02 · 43 posts

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I'll second this, though I no longer live in the San Diego area.
Also, PCC's from San Francisco Muni, Washington DC and/or Pittsburgh

JOhn
Oldrailfan
Railfan means anything on rails! Trains Trolleys Rollercoasters - you name it.

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CGW409Charter Member · 188 posts

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Hi
How about a wooden interurban caboose without the cupola or bay window. I've seen photos of them in use on the North Shore as well as the Roarin Elgin and would guess that it was a fairly common type for interurbans

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avallilloCharter Member · 70 posts

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Anything of the Chicago South Shore and South Bend; from the old era, that is, not the new Japanese equipment.

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ChooChooCharlieCharter Member · 196 posts

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LAST EDITED ON Jun-28-02 AT 08:13 PM (EDT)

Wow! Umm any PCC or Brill would be just fine... Traction - who wants what? – image 61
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InterboroughCharter Member · 221 posts

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To add to that:
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Brooklyn! The classic trolley line (hey if there wasn't a trolley, there would have been no Dodgers). The last line (Queensboro Bridge) closed in 1957, the same year the Dodgers left Brooklyn.


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gatecitycaCharter Member · 33 posts

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Well, one among many would be Pacific Electric interurban car 1318 (car 100...the Arrowhead Springs car...from one of PE's predecessors, San Bernardino Valley Traction Company). The SBVT was a pretty obsucre company that operated primarily in San Bernardino and its neighboring cities of Highland, Redlands, and Colton in southern California. Not sure if too many people here have heard of the SBVT Co or have much background info on it, but if so..."combo" interurban car 100 would be nice! :)Chris

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denverrailsCharter Member · 36 posts

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Now that we have two steeple cabs, a box motor and freight trailer would be great. Anyone for a line car?Wally

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Overkill211Charter Member · 88 posts

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LAST EDITED ON Jul-10-02 AT 02:21 AM (EDT)

I'm thinking:
Pacific Electric 300/400-series "blimps"
Pacific Electric 600/700-series "Hollywood cars" (remember Roger Rabbit?)
Any Birney safety car (although Pacific Electric #331 made an appearance in "Singing in the Rain")
Pacific Electric 1600-series offset-hood steeplecabs
And pretty much anything from the LARy (although modelling for 3'6" gauge adds a new element of complexity).

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gatecitycaCharter Member · 33 posts

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oh yeah, definitely a blimp would be nice...especially if someone could make the executive car PE1299. Also, if someone does get around to designing any 1600-series locomotives, PE1624 would be great. This loco STILL EXISTS at the Orange Empire Railway Museum in Perris, CA. In fact, I think it is the last remaining Pacific Electric locomotive. Unfortunately, the last I heard it was not in running condition...it needed a few replacement resistor elements, some repair work done on one of the traction motors, and SEVERELY need a major paint job. But it's there, and hopefully they'll get it running again sometime.Chris

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BigDaveCharter Member · 151 posts

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>Hi all,
>
>Time for a quick survey. If you could have any piece of
>traction created for MSTS, what would it/they be? TSM is a
>wonderful thing, and the possibilities are great. My choices
>are
>
>1) A generic Brill semi-convertable
>2) PCC
>3) Birney
>4) A generic Niles wooden interurban
>
>Well, it seems I'm in luck. All of these cars are either
>underway or are on peoples' to-do list. I'm working on the
>Niles car and I've just started the birney. Of course, the
>common thread is that these cars have plenty of repaint
>options.
>
>Who's next?
>
>Cheers,
>Matt A
>Traction - who wants what? – image 71
The Steam Trams of The (now defunct) Mumbles Tramway, circa, lets say, 1910?.TTFN,
BigDaveTTFN,

BigDave

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tryaginCharter Member · 898 posts

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I am working on an Alco-GE 50 ton steeplecab that would paint-up into a nice NS 453 there. And if I had the plans for the four-trucker freight motor, I'd start to build that in a New York heartbeat, as that is the ex- Oregon Electric 50, built in the O.E. shops in 1941, I think. I believe also, that one of our brethern is working on the Electroliner.Tim

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Srj28Member since Jul-19-02 · 35 posts

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That Electroliner could be a nice complement to the traction fleet.Anyone who knows if they still exist??

Bn

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msavianneyCharter Member · 260 posts

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The two Electroliners still exist, one at the Illinois Rail Museum and the other at Rockhill (IIRC). An announcement will be made soon about my TSM electroliner, which is in early stages at the moment. I'd like to finish it, although it won't be really soon!Cheers,
Matt A

Milwaukee Electric Lines

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Srj28Member since Jul-19-02 · 35 posts

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Oh,thats briliant!!
that,and other North Shore material would be so nice,or a Milwaukee articulated interurban

Bn

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homer13jMember since Sep-25-02 · 5 posts

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Add another vote for the Niles car. A Jewett combine would be nice as well. If I do ever get around to finishing my already-DEMed Lake Shore Electric I could use a birney as well as some CERA round-end freight cars.Stuctures: Small powerhouse, better substation than the default one, and lots and lots of storefronts.Would there be much interest in the LSE route (Toledo-Cleveland)? I am going back to work soon, and I could bust my can to get the trackwork done before that.

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