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Member since Aug-23-02 · 185 posts

I'm modeling a cabview for the first time, and as luck would have it I have almost no information about the prototype cab. After months of searching I found this photo in a book at the Boston Trolley Meet; unfortunately it was a rare book that I couldn't afford so the salesman let me take a digital picture of the page shown here. I corrected the perspective and cropped out a portion of the image, and I'm modeling the cabview to match that photo as best I can.Cabview Help – image 1As you can see, it's tricky to tell exactly what I'm looking at here, especially since I'm not very familiar with the cabs of old transit equipment. I'd rather not go into detail about what the prototype is, and please don't speculate since I don't know when I'll be done with the model, but it's a Pullman rapid transit car whose electrical system was from Westinghouse if I remember correctly. That might explain the "W" on the controller stand!I guess what I'd like to ask is if anyone recongizes any of the components in this photo. Here's what I've found so far - obviously there's the control stand in the center, but I'm having trouble figuring out the shape of the controller handle. Maybe someone has photos of this type of controller from other angles? Also, it looks like the reverser is directly behind the controller handle, although there seems to be some other handle to the right of the control stand. To the left of that is what appears to be a brake guage (with the pipes) and a speedometer. I have no idea what the box below the speedometer is, but underneath it is what looks like the radiator.Also, the most important piece that I can't identify is the skinny box above the speedometer with two lights or switches on it. It almost looks like a cab signal box, but I don't think this prototype had cab signals at the time the photo was taken. I'm expecting there to be switches/buttons for headlights and doors, but I don't quite see any in this photo so I'm not sure what to do about them. It's a very spartan cab, that's for sure, so maybe someone familiar with older NYCTA cabs will know more.For my first cabview project, I guess I sure chose a dandy one!Alex StroshaneCabview Help – image 2
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RE: Cabview Help, AEM7AC 920, Aug-19-04, 09:51 AM, (1) RE: Cabview Help, asamtrak911, Aug-19-04, 02:02 PM, (2) RE: Cabview Help, AEM7AC 920, Aug-20-04, 00:09 AM, (3) RE: Cabview Help, asamtrak911, Aug-21-04, 01:15 AM, (4) A Cineston Controller, Electroburger, Aug-30-04, 04:30 PM, (5) Cineston top view, Electroburger, Sep-01-04, 01:49 PM, (6) RE: Cineston top view, asamtrak911, Sep-01-04, 06:55 PM, (7)

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Member since Aug-23-02 · 185 posts

RE: Cabview Help

LAST EDITED ON Aug-21-04 AT 01:54 AM (EST)

I don't know if any other rapid transit cars would have had the exact same cab layout as the MBTA's cars. As you can see there are even some major differences between the 01100 photo I posted and the 01400 from RailPictures, though partly because the 01400s were modernized in the '80s. Anyway, apparently the Cineston controller was common, and I've found a bunch more photos. I think I'm satisfied with my model for now (although I don't know exactly where the different throttle positions are supposed to be).Cabview Help – image 4I'm going to contact the guy who took the photo on RailPictures and see if I can get a high-res version of the pic (and any more photos he might have). I guess I'll be finishing the other controls and guages, then adding a bunch of piping and wiring to clutter it up.Edit: mistake in my previous post, I kept saying "01200" when I meant "01100", big difference.AlexCabview Help – image 5
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Member since Aug-29-04 · 5 posts

A Cineston Controller

The entire fleet of Chicago Transit Authority's 6000 series and 1-50 series cars used similar Cineston controllers. On the CTA, the controller had three acceleration points, three braking points, and a neutral coasting position. CTA cars had acceleration rates of around 1, 2, and 3 mphps (miles per hour per second) until about 30mph, then whatever it could do until top speed, around 45 mph for most cars and 75 mph for the 8 high performance cars. Braking rates were about the same.By definition, a Cineston controller means that brakes were dynamic, i.e. run current through the motor against the direction of rotation. As dynamic brakes stopped braking at around 1 mph, after that, the track brake took over. On CTA cars, this was a push button.The controller key, which looked like a big bronze crescent wrench, went on the left side of the controller.I will try to find out about the controller positions.

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Member since Aug-23-02 · 185 posts

RE: Cineston top view

Excellent! That should be everything I needed about the controller. I have the photo from RailPictures that shows the cab signal box, but unfortunately I don't know the different conditions it's supposed to display. Still, this is definitely coming together.AlexCabview Help – image 7
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