New York City Transit rolling stock

LAST EDITED ON Aug-17-03 AT 02:35 PM (EDT)

Island Electric is excited about bringing to traction fans, the subway cars that were a symbol of the "Big Apple" for decades and which by now are almost completely gone from the scene, many of them having been dumped into the ocean to become artificial reefs. Now you can keep these wonderful cars running on your own systems and maybe, perhaps relive a bit of some of those old memories. (Some shots shown on Chris Cyko's excellent Chicago el route).The Island Electric Team
Jeff Link, Island Electric, West &
Frederick Dreany, Island Electric, East

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Traction fans:
Here are some additional shots of the subway cars during testing. Helping us was our no-nonsense motorperson, Gwenny, who follows the book of rules when it comes to train operations just like a real transit employee.Island Electric

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J. and F.,You've done a great job on these, guys. My favourite obviously has to be the "grimy" R-22s because I had the pleasure(?) of riding these on the West Side IRT almost every day in 1969 and '70 when I lived in Manhattan.I'd say your models are dead accurate, although the passenger view gave me a chuckle: far too clean. When I rode them the interiors were incredibly shabby. If I remember correctly, the floors were filthy linoleum, all chipped up. Graffiti all over the walls and seats, although mostly with black felt-tip pen in those days -- not a lot of spray can work yet. The smell was indescribably funky.Thanks for bringing back memories of those days. Don't be misled by my cynical description above -- it was a great and exciting time of my life.
-JF-

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JohnFrum:
First of all, let me thank you for those kind comments and if we brought back some fond memories, then we've been paid in full.
I also have many nice memories of my days on the subways of New York.
I remember them from the days when our high school in Connecticut used to bring us into the city on field trips during the early Sixties up until 1998 when I retired from working in the city. When I was younger, I lived in Brooklyn and rode everywhere on the subway for 15 cents a ride. That 15 cents fare was increased in 69, I believe, to 25 cents. The condition of the cars did go through a low spell around 69-70 but then rebounded in the 80's during a huge effort to get rid of graffiti. (no offense to graffiti artists whose work has now moved to better forums.) Since then, the equipment has been maintained pretty well, especially during the "Redbird" period, which is at this point in time, history. All-new stainless-steel subway trains ride the rails now in New York. We'll be taking a look at those also. If we're ambitious enough, we may even offer a graffiti decorated car (from the 69-70 period). We have authentic examples of the best work now in our files and despite what one thinks of it, it was a historical period on New York's subways. If you liked our cars, please won't you tell others about them. There's enough for everybody.Frederick Dreany
Island Electric, East

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It's sad to see the redbirds go. They really ran great, but I guess they were deteriorating, after all, they aren't made of stainless steel like their IND companions, the Brightliners. The Brightliners, order R32 and the similar R38, still run great, although the R32 cars (the true Brightliners) run better than the R38 cars. The Brightliners entered service in 1964 and will probably live to see their 50th birthday. I'm suggesting that the next models be the Brightliners, as these are the best cars on the system. They hold down all C and E service, some A service (A,C, and E trains also run R38s), a couple of F trains, a few R trains, and a few N trains. One the sets that run on the F occasionally drifts over to the V. In their long lifespan, they've run almost every Division B line in the system, including the now discontinued K, KK, TT, QJ, and NX.

John

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LAST EDITED ON Aug-26-03 AT 06:21 PM (EDT)

Since when did the 6 go to Bowling Green? I've seen 5 trains to Bowling Green, Flatbush Avenue, and Utica Avenue, and 4 trains to Utica Avenue and Bowling Green; but I've only seen the 6 train to Brooklyn Bridge. Is your trainset based on a run in the 1970s or 80s?

John

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Here is the info on the IRT South Ferry station from the "Tracks of NYC Subway" book: The last time the "6" train stopped on the outer loop at that station was in 1977. After "5" trains terminate at Bowling Green on the downtown side, they "reverse" directions on the inner loop and stop at Bowling Green on the uptown side. From 1918 to 1977, a shuttle train with specially modified cars ran between the short platform at Bowling Green and the platform on the inner loop at South Ferry. IRT cars built before WWII had independently operated side doors, allowing conductors to open/close the center side doors on the inner loop platform. IRT cars built after WWII have side doors that operate together so they can't be used on the inner loop platform. The short platform at Bowling Green and the inner loop platform at South Ferry were abandoned in 1977. The IRT City Hall station was abandoned in 1945 when nearby Brooklyn Bridge station was extended for longer trains. After the "6" trains terminate at downtown side of Brooklyn Bridge, they "reverse" directions on the City Hall loop and stop at uptown side of Brooklyn Bridge. Jeffrey.

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You don't have to tell me all of this. After all, I am a New Yorker, and I do have many books about the subway and regularly visit www.nycsubway.org which is, after all, the best place for NYCTA info on the web. I've probably ridden more lines than you have (The ONLY one I haven't been on is the Z) and I probably follow the transfer of R62s to the 3 and R62As to the 4 more than most people here. I'm just wondering when the 6 stopped running to Bowling Green and ran full time to Brooklyn Bridge. I just want that year, and nothing else. I am a regular on the 1/9 lines so I know everything I need about those lines. I've also ended up on a 9 train that went from Marble Hill to 96th Street nonstop (I was going to 103rd; just my luck). I've been on 3 fan trips and plan to go on more, especially during the centennial celebrations next year.

John

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I think Lexington Avenue trains stopped running to South Ferry in 1977 after the shuttle train was discontinued. I can think of three reason: no parts to keep the shuttle train running, interfence between Lexington Avenue trains and Broadway/7th Avenue trains, and NYC's budget crisis. Jeffrey.

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Excellent work Jeff and Fred! Really nice-looking, even tho I'm not a subway fan, I can't deny this is top-notch traction work. Fred's textures are superb.Timtimmuir@wcn.net

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SO will there be a NYC subway route to run these on? Florida Railfan Page
http://www.geocities.com/Kentucky86.geo/Boston MBTA Railfan Page
http://www.geocities.com/BostonMBTA

Kentuckiana Railfan Page
http://www.geocities.com/Kentuckyrails

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LAST EDITED ON Aug-17-03 AT 08:27 PM (EDT)

Kentucky86:
We would hope that a talented route builder might step up to the plate and make us a New York City subway route now that the cars are available. If there is enough interest, we have thoughts of making the World's Fair livery on the R36 models and perhaps doing even the predescessors to the R series, the IRT LO-V models. But that all depends on the response to these cars. By the way, you might be interested in the fact that half of the work on these cars was done right here in Orlando with the other half in the fabulous and exotic Aloha state.Island Electric Team

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And I thought those cars were built in St. Louis!
If you want to make a route, check out the track maps at www.nycsubway.org . They've got every track in the entire system: every switch, every station, every curve, every yard, and every track in the yard if you look at a separately provided map. Read the information about each line and station, and you will be able to determine where the lines go above ground, go from open cut to embankment, or go from elevated to at grade. I'd say that a route with the 1,2,3,4,5,6, and 9 trains would not be too difficult (as you have only 2 lines in most of Manhattan, and one line in most of Brooklyn.) and would also be fun. (elevated trackage in the Bronx, Brooklyn and Manhattan.)

John

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Thanks Tim:
We're big fans of yours. Your work is of the highest quality, so we really appreciate your kind comments.The Island Electric team

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Whoa!Those pics are terrific. I can hear thw rumble and wheel squeal! Very nice work indeed, fellas! I look forward to adding them to my traction collection.Cheers,
Matt Austin

Victorian Railways junkie and US traction head!

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Thanks for the kind comments Matt Austin:
We've talked before and I've got some of your models in my collection as well. Although these are third rail units, some of the trolley museums will hook up a trolley pole to cars like these so as to run them on their overhead systems.Frederick Dreany
Island Electric, East

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